Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #63

[MrX]

If their choice of living in the moment was benign I might agree with you. But it's not! It has consequences and severe ones at that. They will seek help when they get sick.. exposing others they are in contact with and those that will treat them.

Yes, assuming that your viewpoint is the only one. What the rest of us are saying - and, unfortunately, having trouble communicating - is that trying to control this through isolation is unsustainable, and, in the US, impossible. The world will eventually have to come to grips with this. I believe there will be Covid Treatment Centers, to take the burden off of traditional hospitals, and ubiquitous real-time testing at the door to every building. I'm sorry, but the world will keep turning - how many pictures of crowded beaches does one to see to understand that?

It's obvious, after weeks of this, that no one is changing anyone else's mind. You will try to lock us up and we will circumvent.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Masks are a safety tool, designed to help protect us from respiratory hazards. They should never have become a political symbol. What next, will we have people refusing to wear masks around asbestos?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

2 States have decreasing rates. Connecticut & Rhode Island.

And Illinois. Illinois is like the forgotten step-child here for some reason. But our governor has balls of titanium and stood his ground when the rest of the coalition caved to protests and politics. Illinois was, as far as I know, the only state to meet the guidelines for moving from phase to phase. Pritzker gets very little credit, but he's been as courageous as Cuomo. And our state and the city of Chicago have also been repeatedly attacked by certain politicians throughout this pandemic.

Illinois Is Only State to Meet All Federal Criteria for Reopening, Will Move to Phase 3 on Friday
https://www.newsweek.com/illinois-o...ia-reopening-will-move-phase-3-friday-1506968

Edit to add - this is from the end of May, but we've continued to meet the criteria before moving forward.

ETA again -
Illinois recognized as one of seven states with 'strong decrease' in COVID-19 cases

 

[Tate123]

Yes, assuming that your viewpoint is the only one. What the rest of us are saying - and, unfortunately, having trouble communicating - is that trying to control this through isolation is unsustainable, and, in the US, impossible. The world will eventually have to come to grips with this. I believe there will be Covid Treatment Centers, to take the burden off of traditional hospitals, and ubiquitous real-time testing at the door to every building. I'm sorry, but the world will keep turning - how many pictures of crowded beaches does one to see to understand that?

It's obvious, after weeks of this, that no one is changing anyone else's mind. You will try to lock us up and we will circumvent.

I pray you and all those you love don't get sick. It's an ugly virus.

 

[10ofRods]

Decrease in new cases
US coronavirus: Only two states are reporting a decline in new cases

Yikes. That's really bad. I've been avoiding the news for a day or two and also going on worldometer.

So...the "uptick" that began as this virus spread to new places has now caught hold and we're on the upward incline of the roller coaster.

The predictions for the future will be remodeled as a result (projections will change). Lots of things we don't know. Some of the neuro-psychiatric symptoms of CoVid need study - as do other non-lethal symptoms.

We Americans may be running the weirdest, most deadly medical experiment in history. We're pretending we're following some kind of common sense (collectively) and maybe some science (we're not).

It's also scary.

I hope everyone is able to hunker down as much as possible, that all of us who are alone have someone to talk to on the phone, plus a dog or cat or two.

I hope we remain a support to each other. I hope the figures change after a weekend of thinking over what it really means.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I can't believe anyone is willing to admit that they've calculated the risk of potentially killing other people and have concluded that it's worth it to go to a bar regularly. Or that their lives without bars are a living hell. Do people admit this in real life or just anonymously on message boards?

SMH.

 

[10ofRods]

I’ve been staying home except for work (law firm - lawyers go out to lunch most every day-sigh) and grocery store / Lowe’s - and have been watching social media for my family’s friends and the younger ones -21-30- all going out - bars until they were closed - beach etc/ same with teenagers- running around posting in SM everywhere they have been- since April when phase 2 opened - and now ? They are testing positive and their families are now very afraid- but what could they have done? Take their keys - then they can’t run around - FL is a scary place now
JMO

And at the point you are at (I'm there too), there's nothing more we can do except protect ourselves as much as possible and wonder "how long?" and "what will happen to our friends and family?"

I also find myself wondering at night where the "weak links" are, who is going to get it first among my closest friends and family? Should I warn them more than I have? Do I reach out? Almost no one seems to want to talk about it at the nitty gritty level.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm channeling Kitty Forman again. God help us.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yet, you do wear a mask designed and worn by others. We do not all imitate the same things, but some people imitate leaders (in fact, among primates, that's probably the most common).

Others imitate their close family members.

Almost none of us have ever invented a singular behavior that we've never seen before. You knew about science (or are a good guesser).

But you were in fact imitating lab scientists who work with viruses - as they are the ones who first realized that to be around a virus, we needed masks.

I daresay that if political leaders and all other leaders (clergy, teachers, celebrities, etc etc) wore masks routinely, the number of people wearing masks would go up.

Now we've done that other primate thing: divide into two camps. And, apparently, invoked a more widely mammal thing: territorialism, with all that implies.

I haven't seen anyone wear the mask that I have so I haven't imitated anyone.

 

[oviedo]

And at the point you are at (I'm there too), there's nothing more we can do except protect ourselves as much as possible and wonder "how long?" and "what will happen to our friends and family?"

I also find myself wondering at night where the "weak links" are, who is going to get it first among my closest friends and family? Should I warn them more than I have? Do I reach out? Almost no one seems to want to talk about it at the nitty gritty level.

Sadly my closest friends are nurses and LE and doctors and it’s their Kids - honestly I don’t know what we can do now

 

[10ofRods]

I haven't seen anyone wear the mask that I have so I haven't imitated anyone.

It's not just about vision and seeing outside your own house. We'd all be dead in the Middle Ages if we used just what we saw with our own eyes.

But...anyway, how did you then ever even know that masks exist? You'd never seen a TV documentary where scientists wear masks - or. been to a hospital or seen a hospital show?

It's possible that *some people have done none of those things.* Their chances of wearing a mask are near zero (if any were available).

If anyone else has invented and worn a mask, you are one of their beneficiaries - and an imitator (anthropologically speaking). Very few things are actually invented, most of them we...borrow.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's not just about vision and seeing outside your own house. We'd all be dead in the Middle Ages if we used just what we saw with our own eyes.

But...anyway, how did you then ever even know that masks exist? You'd never seen a TV documentary where scientists wear masks - or. been to a hospital or seen a hospital show?

It's possible that *some people have done none of those things.* Their chances of wearing a mask are near zero (if any were available).

If anyone else has invented and worn a mask, you are one of their beneficiaries - and an imitator (anthropologically speaking). Very few things are actually invented, most of them we...borrow.

I chose to wear the mask that I had at home because it was the only one I had available.

I did not imitate anyone in doing so. I can't make it any easier for you to understand.

 

[MimosaMornings]

My family in Spain were trapped in a worse hell than most here could comprehend (except in NY city). Two months without going outside. Kids had to stay in small apartment-sizes homes, all that time. Dogs could only go out a couple feet from the door, to poop. Only one household member could leave the house at all, only once per week, to get supplies, unless they were essential workers (which was a much stricter list than ours).

You know how many people complained?

Instead of being jerks, they rallied. Boosted each other’s morale. Yelled encouragement from rooftops. Sang out of their windows. Helped feed each other. Even the little kids handled it with grace and patience.

But we need to go to a bar?

What’s interesting is that by following the rules without much complaint so that they could protect one another, now they’re all out- back at the cafes, in vacation homes at the beach, in BARS, etc.


It’s relatively safe there now. They flattened the curve enough to be able to track, trace and isolate any new cases.

So forgive me for not having much sympathy for people who can walk outside but think not being able to go to a bar is a “living hell” and not worth the lives and health refraining from doing so could save.

I hope your family is safe and well after their ordeal.

 

[10ofRods]

My family in Spain were trapped in a worse hell than most here could comprehend (except in NY city). Two months without going outside. Kids had to stay in small apartment-sizes homes, all that time. Dogs could only go out a couple feet from the door, to poop. Only one household member could leave the house at all, only once per week, to get supplies, unless they were essential workers (which was a much stricter list than ours).

You know how many people complained?

Instead of being jerks, they rallied. Boosted each other’s morale. Yelled encouragement from rooftops. Sang out of their windows. Helped feed each other. Even the little kids handled it with grace and patience.

But we need to go to a bar?

What’s interesting is that by following the rules without much complaint so that they could protect one another, now they’re all out- back at the cafes, in vacation homes at the beach, in BARS, etc.


It’s relatively safe there now. They flattened the curve enough to be able to track, trace and isolate any new cases.

So forgive me for not having much sympathy for people who can walk outside but think not being able to go to a bar is a “living hell” and not worth the lives and health refraining from doing so could save.

I love your family. Same with my family in Hawaii. And both places have got this locked down.

Two different planets, really (and yet in California, both try to live in the same cities, it's a very brittle and uneasy balance).

Do you think about moving? I know it's just a fantasy, but it helps me cope.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Exactly. And in several states, hospitals and ICUs are getting maxed out. So when a 20 year old and a 70 year old show up, and there is only one ventilator, guess who is going to get that ventilator? The young ones who are "living in the moment" -are they going to decline that ventilator or that hospital bed if their time comes?

AFAIK No one has been denied a ventilator in the US.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I am not anti-religion, but stats now say going to a bar and going to church are equals in spreading COVID-19.

I wonder how protesting fits in statistically? I suppose we won’t know because contact tracers were told not to ask people if they attended a protest.

 

[TravelingBug]

Oof.

Nate Lerner
@NathanLerner
Florida has more new COVID-19 cases than all of Europe.

https://twitter.com/NathanLerner/status/1277283942991831041

 

[MimosaMornings]

Business owners rally against Harris County mask order

“HOUSTON – Around 60 people gathered to protest the Harris County mask order in downtown Houston on Saturday.

The group held an event called, ‘Unmuzzled Freedom Rally.”

Steven Hotze was a speaker at the rally.

“This is not a pandemic,” Hotze said. “If this was a pandemic, why didn’t all of us get the virus?”
———-

 

[JerseyGirl]

Chase Rice Hosts Packed Concert in Tennessee, No Masks or Distancing

Chase Rice held a show Saturday night at former prison-turned-event center called the Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary in Petros, Tennessee. It usually can hold 10,000 bodies for a concert, but this weekend ... only 4,000 were allowed through.

video at link above :
As you can see, swarms of people are too close for comfort -- not practicing even the slightest hint of social distancing -- and practically NOBODY is wearing a face mask. It also doesn't help that Chase was leading them in a sing-along moment -- which probably exacerbated any type of potential 'rona molecules already flying through the air. And, of course -- like many other parts of the country -- COVID-19 cases are spiking in TN as well.

 

[margarita25]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mlucDinIomI

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