Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #63

[10ofRods]

Business owners rally against Harris County mask order

“HOUSTON – Around 60 people gathered to protest the Harris County mask order in downtown Houston on Saturday.

The group held an event called, ‘Unmuzzled Freedom Rally.”

Steven Hotze was a speaker at the rally.

“This is not a pandemic,” Hotze said. “If this was a pandemic, why didn’t all of us get the virus?”
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Mmmmkay.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I can't believe anyone is willing to admit that they've calculated the risk of potentially killing other people and have concluded that it's worth it to go to a bar regularly. Or that their lives without bars are a living hell. Do people admit this in real life or just anonymously on message boards?

SMH.

Why are the bars open if they are potentially killing people who don’t go to them?

 

[margarita25]

Full PC / California Governor

 

[gitana1]

No, thanks. I doubt I have that many years (decades?) left.

Why are you assuming that getting the virus under control is impossible? They’ve done it in other nations. And have successfully reopened, with some modifications and safety precautions.

Again, if everyone had played their part, we could’ve succeeded in flattening the curve and then be able to target any outbreaks and isolate those.

But people screaming about masks and testing and tracing have made that difficult.

 

[beatrixpotter]

I can't believe anyone is willing to admit that they've calculated the risk of potentially killing other people and have concluded that it's worth it to go to a bar regularly. Or that their lives without bars are a living hell. Do people admit this in real life or just anonymously on message boards?

SMH.

Someone whose life becomes a living hell without access to a bar doesn't sound like they have much of a life at all.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-diseases doctor said today:

“The fact that an eventual vaccine for the coronavirus may be only 70%-75% effective and the likelihood that many people will not receive it make the US unlikely to achieve herd immunity.”

“The best we’ve ever done is measles, which is 97%-98% effective. That would be wonderful if we get there. I don’t think we will. I would settle for [a] 70%, 75% effective vaccine.”

About 70% of U.S. residents say they plan to get a coronavirus vaccine if it’s free and available, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this month. Similarly, about two-thirds of the population said the same in a CNN poll.

Fauci was asked whether a 70%-75% effective vaccine taken by two-thirds of people in the country would create herd immunity.

“No — unlikely,” he responded.

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Fauci also said that contact tracing is going poorly in the US in part because many communities are trying to do it by phone. About half of people who answer the calls don’t want to talk to anyone in a position of authority.

Asymptomatic transmission also makes contact tracing difficult, Fauci added. He said 20%-40% of people carrying the virus may not have symptoms.

“So the standard classic paradigm of identification, isolation, contact tracing doesn’t work, no matter how good you are, because you don’t know who you’re tracing,” Fauci said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/28/coronavirus-live-updates-us/?outputType=amp

 

[gitana1]

Why are the bars open if they are potentially killing people who don’t go to them?

Because our nation puts profit over people and because bar owners have little way of remaining solvent without reopening, due to the way our system works.

We could change things.

 

[MrX]

I can't believe anyone is willing to admit that they've calculated the risk of potentially killing other people and have concluded that it's worth it to go to a bar regularly. Or that their lives without bars are a living hell. Do people admit this in real life or just anonymously on message boards?

SMH.

I don't calculate the odds of killing someone while driving, either. Or the odds of me dropping a piece of tomato at a restaurant and having someone slip on it and break their neck.

And, yes, most of the people I know feel this way and we share our frustrations vocally. These new lockups will be just as ineffective as the last ones. A week and a half ago our State's Chief Medical Officer, or whatever her title is, said that keeping everything locked down is worse than the alternative.

When you look at pictures and video of people congregating it must be evident that I'm not alone.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Because our nation puts profit over people and because bar owners have little way of remaining solvent without reopening, due to the way our system works.

We could change things.

It’s a double edge sword though because we need profits to sustain life too.

FWIW - I personally have no desire to go to a bar and I avoid public places as much as possible. I see both sides.

 

[gitana1]

I don't think virus actually cares if people have a good reason or not. But so far we haven't heard of a protest causing a large spread of covid. Protests were outside, and most of the people did wear masks. Unlike in a church, where 100 of people are singing without masks on. If people were spread apart on the beach it probably would be relatively safe, but we see they are too many people and they are too close to each other.

Yes. I agree.

I hike the outskirts of a park near my home, on trails that ring it. I can see hundreds of people at the park. But they seem to be staying mostly in family groups and aren’t mingling with one another. It seems rather safe to me.

A friend of mine goes to a mega-church and they’re having drive in services which seems pretty cool. And safe.

 

[gitana1]

It’s a double edge sword though because we need profits to sustain life too.

FWIW - I personally have no desire to go to a bar and I avoid public places as much as possible. I see both sides.

Yes. But in other nations that are similar to ours, they ensure that in situations like this, people can sustain themselves economically. None of my relatives in Spain, for example, came close to not being able to eat or pay the rent or mortgage, or in danger of losing health care, despite not working for two months.

It all depends on priorities and what we think our taxes should cover and who we think should pay those taxes.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes. But in other nations that are similar to ours, they ensure that in situations like this, people can sustain themselves economically. None of my relatives in Spain, for example, came close to not being able to eat or pay the rent or mortgage, or in danger of losing health care, despite not working for two months.

It all depends on priorities and what we think our taxes should cover and who we think should pay those taxes.

The US government put things into place so that everyone was able to eat, pay the rent, mortgage, etc., despite not working for two months or longer as well.

 

[MrX]

Yes. But in other nations...

Yes. But other nations aren't the U.S. I'm open to hearing some new ideas, but all I hear is to lock everyone up until the virus is gone. It isn't going to work here. Read Fauci's piece, above, about any potential vaccine. Not enough people will use it for it to provide herd immunity.

 

[MuddyTires]

'60,000 cancer patients may die': Oncologist on the coronavirus dilemma | ITV News

“In a usual April, we would normally see around 30,000 people diagnosed with cancer. I would be surprised if that number reaches 5,000 this month.

Coronavirus will steal the headlines, but cancer kills 450 people a day in the UK - there is no peak and the numbers aren’t coming down. Unless we act urgently, that number will rise. A group of oncologists, including myself, estimate that 60,000 cancer patients could die because of a lack of treatment or diagnosis. . . .

We are sleepwalking in to a massive crisis and cancer patients will die unnecessarily if we don’t act now.

So how do we fix it?

Ignore the doom-mongers, we are getting control of this pandemic - the trends on hospitalisations and deaths improve every day.”

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The US government put things into place so that everyone was able to eat, pay the rent, mortgage, etc., despite not working for two months or longer as well.

Senate Passes $2 Trillion Coronavirus Relief Package

Senate Passes $2 Trillion Coronavirus Relief Package

 

[margarita25]

Here are some must-watch, very on-point and important interviews with Dr. Sanjay Gupta from the past few days - he is very, very concerned:


Dr. Gupta: US in the middle of a coronavirus storm / 4 days ago

Dr. Gupta: I can't believe we're in the position we're in / 3 days ago

Sanjay Gupta: I'm concerned because it feels like we've given up at this point / 1 day ago

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Senate Passes $2 Trillion Coronavirus Relief Package

Senate Passes $2 Trillion Coronavirus Relief Package

(Snipped and bolded by me)

The plan marks the largest rescue package in American history. The legislation covers an array of programs, including direct payments to Americans, an aggressive expansion of unemployment insurance, billions of dollars in aid to large and small businesses, and a new wave of significant funding for the health care industry.

 

[jjenny]

Business owners rally against Harris County mask order

“HOUSTON – Around 60 people gathered to protest the Harris County mask order in downtown Houston on Saturday.

The group held an event called, ‘Unmuzzled Freedom Rally.”

Steven Hotze was a speaker at the rally.

“This is not a pandemic,” Hotze said. “If this was a pandemic, why didn’t all of us get the virus?”
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If he keeps on gathering in crowds, maskless, he might just get the virus.

 

[jjenny]

AFAIK No one has been denied a ventilator in the US.

And how do you know that, exactly? Apparently Houston hospitals just stopped reporting on what exactly is going in there.

 

[jjenny]

I chose to wear the mask that I had at home because it was the only one I had available.

I did not imitate anyone in doing so. I can't make it any easier for you to understand.

Well, you might be smarter than an average citizen.