Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #66

[ilovewings]

New at Home Exercise: shaking my head in disbelief.

Worst of all, he will be believed by many

 

[musicaljoke]

I would love to know what the WHO are doing with the millions in funding that they have received. Since I know UK government pledged millions to Oxford in their bid to create a vaccine. I'm sure other Leaders are footing the bill in their own searches too. It defies logic to be funding the World Health Organisation for what?? Oh yes, it's for us to then be able to fund our own scientists/universities in their vaccine search and trials! No matter what way I look at it, it makes no sense! X

The WHO is much, much bigger than this. It's a global organization that fights disease in many places that don't have the infrastructure to manage on their own. Please go to their official page and see what they are doing in the world. A huge part of their work is to ensure that women and children have a chance of survival.

It nearly makes me weep when I see such unwarranted criticism of the work that is carried out to protect millions upon millions of people in the world.

Programmes and projects

 

[tresir2012]

Fact checking the 99% harmless statistic.

Found this article.

Coronavirus: Why death and mortality rates differ

 

[SouthAussie]

Fact checking the 99% harmless statistic.

Found this article.

Coronavirus: Why death and mortality rates differ

Perhaps it is ineffective for me to point out that there are not only deaths and mortality to be considered, but also severe illness, hospitalisations, over-extending of medical staff, devastation to family finances via loss of income to pay medical bills and funeral costs .... the list goes on and on.

For some reason that is unknown to me, there appears to be people (not aimed at you) that will always try to justify inaccurate statements when the evidence is staring them in the face.

 

[tresir2012]

Perhaps it is ineffective for me to point out that there are not only deaths and mortality to be considered, but also severe illness, hospitalisations, over-extending of medical staff, devastation to family finances via loss of income to pay medical bills and funeral costs .... the list goes on and on.

For some reason that is unknown to me, there appears to be people (not aimed at you) that will always try to justify inaccurate statements when the evidence is staring them in the face.

I am just posting articles I find. It is for all posters to look at the facts. This is a reputable source so what exactly do you mean? Are you saying it is in doubt and we should not fact check what POTUS and others say about the virus? Several sources have said the virus is not as virulent. We need to look at this. The deaths have been vastly overexaggerated by the deaths in care homes. That should not happen again despite it being repeated by many of the high reporting European countries and the US.

 

[musicaljoke]

We'll be seeing more masks worn in our region (N. Ontario) sarting tomorrow. It's very interesting to see how this requirement is being issued. The mandate is not to individuals, but to business establishments. They must ensure that anyone entering their business must be wearing a mask. I think it reduces the potential for a lot of pushback from customers who may want to expound upon their "rights". It reminds me of how our daughter, as a child, wouldn't want to wear her seat belt. I could say, "Fine, you don't need to wear your seat belt, but the car doesn't start until you are fastened in."

So store owners can do sidewalk sales for customers who won't mask up, or just refuse to serve them. And if business owners are reluctant to comply, they will already have received a notice from their liability insurance provider stating that if they don't comply with the Public Health regulations, they are not insured for any outcomes.


"The Medical Officer of Health for Public Health, today is issuing instructions to owners and operators of commercial establishments, as well as public transit, to have policies in place to stop people from entering if they are not wearing a face covering. The instructions are being issued under the authority of the provincial Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act."


https://www.phsd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Letter_All_Employers_2020-07-02.pdf

 

[SouthAussie]

I am just posting articles I find. It is for all posters to look at the facts. This is a reputable source so what exactly do you mean? Are you saying it is in doubt and we should not fact check what POTUS and others say about the virus? Several sources have said the virus is not as virulent. We need to look at this. The deaths have been vastly overexaggerated by the deaths in care homes. That should not happen again despite it being repeated by many of the high reporting European countries and the US.

I think it is pretty evident that many parts of the US are on their knees at the moment ... figuratively speaking.

To minimise that is insulting to the 132,000+ people who have died in the last ... what ... 4½ months. imo
No matter who makes those kind of statements.
I have no skin in this game politically ... but I do expect all leadership to speak with compassion for those who are suffering.

 

[SouthAussie]

We'll be seeing more masks worn in our region (N. Ontario) sarting tomorrow. It's very interesting to see how this requirement is being issued. The mandate is not to individuals, but to business establishments. They must ensure that anyone entering their business must be wearing a mask. I think it reduces the potential for a lot of pushback from customers who may want to expound upon their "rights". It reminds me of how our daughter, as a child, wouldn't want to wear her seat belt. I could say, "Fine, you don't need to wear your seat belt, but the car doesn't start until you are fastened in."

So store owners can do sidewalk sales for customers who won't mask up, or just refuse to serve them. And if business owners are reluctant to comply, they will already have received a notice from their liability insurance provider stating that if they don't comply with the Public Health regulations, they are not insured for any outcomes.


"The Medical Officer of Health for Public Health, today is issuing instructions to owners and operators of commercial establishments, as well as public transit, to have policies in place to stop people from entering if they are not wearing a face covering. The instructions are being issued under the authority of the provincial Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act."


https://www.phsd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Letter_All_Employers_2020-07-02.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens here as well, as we open up more and more to each other and the world.

We already must use sanitiser as we walk into any shop. The shop must provide it at the entrance, as one of the conditions of being open (and perhaps a condition of retaining their insurance?)
And, of course, social distancing in shops is becoming a natural thing. Most people stop and let others go by, so that we can keep our distance.

But at some point we are going to become quite vulnerable, unless some super-speedy vaccine is discovered and distributed quickly - which is HIGHLY doubtful. imo
So I can see masks being advised here at some point in the future.

 

[Lilibet]

I don't believe it is productive to victim blame, shame and name those who have caught CV19. MOO.

I agree with your statement when it involves a private citizen. But when public figures, in this case representing the President, engage in risky behavior and are then diagnosed with Covid-19, they certainly need to be named IMO. They have brought the blame and shame on themselves by doing the exact opposite of what is recommended by the CDC, which puts others at risk. In this case being in large groups unmasked was done to raise money! So yes, for shame! Rand Paul recklessly put many elderly members of Congress at risk, not quarantining despite knowing he had tested positive. Again, for shame! When people in public life arrogantly risk the lives of others they are acting shamefully, regardless of their politics, so how have they earned a right to privacy and protection from criticism? Rhetorical question.
JMO, MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens here as well, as we open up more and more to each other and the world.

We already must use sanitiser as we walk into any shop. The shop must provide it at the entrance, as one of the conditions of being open (and perhaps a condition of retaining their insurance?)
And, of course, social distancing in shops is becoming a natural thing. Most people stop and let others go by, so that we can keep our distance.

But at some point we are going to become quite vulnerable, unless some super-speedy vaccine is discovered and distributed quickly - which is HIGHLY doubtful. imo
So I can see masks being advised here at some point in the future.

Yes, we have the same protocols. Before entering the store, there is someone there to put sanitizer into your hand, or point you to the hand washing station. You don't touch a cart until your hands are clean. A lot of stores are set up with soap and water portable hand washing units. It's quite nice.

And distancing circles are on the floors, showing you how far apart you need to stand. Traffic moves in one direction only, so you just need to be patient while the person in front of you selects their items from the shelves. We also have "one cart - one person" requirements, so being in a store not a family outing.

It's becoming critical that we keep our cases at zero because we want the kids to be able to go back to school in the fall. So I am expecting a significant amount of compliance.

 

[tabitha111]

Personal rant/worry. Please tell me if I'm over reacting here. I seem to be the only one in my family following any sort of "rules"...brother flies in from Dallas, another brother flies in from Orlando (all hot spots) one sister has a lake house, everyone gathers including college age nephews with girlfriends, I see photos on facebook of them all on the pontoon boat....text my sister that it looks like grand central station there...she says "we are distancing and wearing masks" of course I see none of that in photos inside and outside of house...then the two brothers go over to my 89 year old fathers house...then I see more photos of one of my brother's wives has gone home to her family and her and her sisters are all posing for photos side by side with mom and dad and she is the mother of the two nephews...smh...what the ???
Young nephews and their girlfriends come and go to the lakehouse by the way the others are staying there.
I try to explain that even though my sister who owns the lake house has been working from home, only shops a few times a month with a mask...that she has no idea all the people everyone else has been in contact with and so on and so on...we are all over 50 too...not exactly young, (except for the 2 nephews and thier gfs) I just think that monkey see...monkey do...we have really gotten so complacent in our country.

 

[CharlestonGal]

In fact, records show Covid-19 cases are rising in 37 states and falling significantly in only one, Vermont.

According to CNN, he (Fauci) and other prominent members of the taskforce, such as Drs Deborah Birx and Robert Redfield, now rarely grant TV interviews. The anonymous source told CNN officials have been unable to gain permission to appear even though “now is the time to be sending a strong public health message”.

Trump claims 'victory' as US sees Covid-19 case records in multiple states

I've been wondering where Drs Birx, Fauci and Redfield have been. I would really like to hear from them about the best way to move forward in this quickly deteriorating situation in the US.

IMO, it's time to form a completely independent body of experts to tackle this problem and inform the public as to the best course of action. jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The WHO is much, much bigger than this. It's a global organization that fights disease in many places that don't have the infrastructure to manage on their own. Please go to their official page and see what they are doing in the world. A huge part of their work is to ensure that women and children have a chance of survival.

It nearly makes me weep when I see such unwarranted criticism of the work that is carried out to protect millions upon millions of people in the world.

Programmes and projects

I have to wonder many times these days if individuals are

#1) ignorant of the facts and just need to take the time to learn
#2 ) or that they disagree with the underlying principle of a worldwide organization who is focused on health for all in the world and most all in the world are not from high income places where the pandemic first spread to?

Some folks make it very clear which of the two

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Is the US testing more people than anywhere else?

This is a fact checking article that is old but probably still valid. I am looking to find something to support the statement made that 40 million tests have been done in the states. I see that there are nearly 3 million positive cases at present.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Is the US testing more people than anywhere else?

This is a fact checking article that is old but probably still valid. I am looking to find something to support the statement made that 40 million tests have been done in the states. I see that there are nearly 3 million positive cases at present.

So according to that the answer is no and he was incorrect on all 4 statements?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I don't believe it is productive to victim blame, shame and name those who have caught CV19. MOO.

Nah. Everyone knows better by now - social distancing & masks to reduce risks for all. While they definitely deserve compassionate medical care, they also deserve censure if they willfully endangered others out of arrogance or to score political points. That goes quadruple for the powerful. We can wish them health and still criticize them. It's not unlike DUI - putting others in harm's way out of selfishness is criticized all the time.

Accountability is a thing, even for the powerful people we adore. JMO.

 

[tresir2012]

Is the US testing more people than anywhere else?

This is a fact checking article that is old but probably still valid. I am looking to find something to support the statement made that 40 million tests have been done in the states. I see that there are nearly 3 million positive cases at present.

So according to that the answer is no and he was incorrect on all 4 statements?

I haven't been able to verify the number of tests carried out. This is where I am at at the moment.

Which U.S. States Meet Recommended Positivity Levels?

I notice that Puerto Rico has 100% positive tests. Does that mean everyone has it ? No it means that everyone they tested has it.

 

[ilovewings]

I've been wondering where Drs Birx, Fauci and Redfield have been. I would really like to hear from them about the best way to move forward in this quickly deteriorating situation in the US.

IMO, it's time to form a completely independent body of experts to tackle this problem and inform the public as to the best course of action. jmo

Despite lack of leadership, in this case, not only from the very top, but from governors, et al, i believe most people do know the best course of action (masks, distancing and no bars or crowds or large get-togethers especially indoors): however, there are enough
people that are refusing to follow those guidelines, and thereby putting all of us at risk. As long as there is lack of leadership, combined with people who refuse to do what is known to mitigate the damage of this virus, we are in deep---chit.

 

[CharlestonGal]

This is tremendous if true. Also this link regarding blood type A being more likely to be affected seriously by the virus is interesting. I am type A :-(

Study ties blood type to COVID-19 risk

Tagging @10ofRods.

The observation about type A came out of china all the way back in March.
Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

Others, including Americans, have looked into it and are not impressed that it has any relevance.
The Truth About Blood Types and the Coronavirus

I wouldn't worry about it. jmo

 

[CharlestonGal]

I don't believe it is productive to victim blame, shame and name those who have caught CV19. MOO.

No, but they should be identified and kept away from the rest of us through some period of quarantine.