Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #66

[dmac55]

What government can afford the "lockdown until a vaccine" scenario though? And would you expect people like grocery store clerks, etc, to keep working while the lucky ones stay home and ride it out for another year or more. I keep hearing "we're all in this together" and it makes me laugh.

(bolded by me)

Reminds me of something I read that sticks with me
We're all in the same storm
We are not all in the same boat

 

[BeckyF]

I don’t know for certain what is causing the spikes but my regular doctor appointments are being canceled left and right, including my appointment with my pulmonary doctor. I have an existing lung condition. I suppose if I have a flare up I’ll have to go to a horrible ER and sit there for gosh knows how many hours to get help. If this is because people won’t social distance or wear masks, they are all selfish. JMO

 

[gitana1]

What government can afford the "lockdown until a vaccine" scenario though? And would you expect people like grocery store clerks, etc, to keep working while the lucky ones stay home and ride it out for another year or more. I keep hearing "we're all in this together" and it makes me laugh.

I think that’s the whole point though. No one can afford that. To prevent further shut downs that could keep popping up, we need do all need to be in this together. It’s not laughable to me.

The thing is, the fewer people who socialize and go into businesses without wearing masks or socially distancing, the more likely our health care workers, store clerks and other essential services workers will be at risk. Because the more people run around without precautions, the more this spreads.

Also, many essential workers should get hazard pay in a pandemic, IMO, or at least time and a half. God bless them.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I don’t know for certain what is causing the spikes but my regular doctor appointments are being canceled left and right, including my appointment with my pulmonary doctor. I have an existing lung condition. I suppose if I have a flare up I’ll have to go to a horrible ER and sit there for gosh knows how many hours to get help. If this is because people won’t social distance or wear masks, they are all selfish. JMO

What state are you in, if you don't mind saying?

 

[gitana1]

What is so astounding is that he was a perfectly healthy 41 year old man-- this is truly a tragedy. I was shocked when I saw that headline.

Yeah. And he’s a semi-famous person but there are many like him.

 

[LadyL]

I don’t know for certain what is causing the spikes but my regular doctor appointments are being canceled left and right, including my appointment with my pulmonary doctor. I have an existing lung condition. I suppose if I have a flare up I’ll have to go to a horrible ER and sit there for gosh knows how many hours to get help. If this is because people won’t social distance or wear masks, they are all selfish. JMO

that's really crappy
I'm surprised they would cancel a pulmonary dr. app't

 

[LadyL]

This cannot be safe. I accidentally got in the elevator with a co-worker last week and immediately wondered WTH I was thinking. That was just one person that I’m next to for hours at a time anyway. But stuck in a space that small? Nope. I climbed 5 flights at the doc office a few weeks back because I wasn’t going to get in the elevator with strangers in dubious masks.

speaking of dubious masks
I finally got a shipment of 'surgical' masks and they're awful!
the top part that you pinch closed is not metal so the top is loose around my nose
completely useless

 

[LadyL]

100% agree.

I lost my 96 year old grandfather a few weeks ago. He was in a care home. And, while he tested negative for Covid, I know that it contributed to his death due to him not being able to have family and friends visit. He was super with it and loved visits. He went downhill fast when they had to restrict all visits (they did the right thing--several people that worked there and residents tested positive for Covid).

I'm so sorry for your loss Shelby1.

 

[LadyL]

My 89 year old father that I often lament about on here has been admitted to Walter Reed this morning. He tested neg for Covid btw (we just got that news) he is having some issues with right side weakness that just happened this morning and they have found fluid around (not in) his lungs. I too hate that people say "well they would have died in 4 months anyways" that is truly awful..these are real people who mean something to someone. No one is immune to illness and grief.

oh no you must be so worried
sending you hugs tabitha

 

[LadyL]

The bar managers need to stick to the guidelines that have been set in place. With customers and tables so far apart. Since we are still in the grips of a Pandemic, hand on heart, if that were my pub I would've pulled the shutters! My children lost their Great Grandfather to this in April so perhaps I take it a tad more personally, have more respect and whatnot. But it doesn't have to be that way,. For everybody to lose somebody in order to take it serious. Or does it? X

so sorry for your loss

 

[LadyL]

My father died in hospice in November. In retrospect, I'm glad it happened then because he too would have died alone.

sorry for your loss CG

 

[Lilibet]

I don’t know for certain what is causing the spikes but my regular doctor appointments are being canceled left and right, including my appointment with my pulmonary doctor. I have an existing lung condition. I suppose if I have a flare up I’ll have to go to a horrible ER and sit there for gosh knows how many hours to get help. If this is because people won’t social distance or wear masks, they are all selfish. JMO

Are you in a hot spot @BeckyF? Here in southern Oregon, which isn’t a hot spot yet, but cases are increasing, I’ve been the one canceling or postponing. My primary care physician preferred to do Telehealth with me to go over labs (which I cautiously did at our small local hospital) so I wouldn’t have to come in. I canceled my annual check-in with my pulmonologist (for now) because I don’t have any issues going on. They offered Telehealth and I told them maybe later. Tomorrow I see my pain specialist in person, where they have a really good system set up, but I had postponed that twice since March. He will be only the second doctor I’ve seen since March in person. My husband rescheduled an in-person appointment with a specialist as a Telehealth (or phone) appointment to go over imaging.

Point being, is it possible to do Telehealth with your pulmonologist...unless, of course, he needs to listen to your lungs? It seems they could offer the opportunity to at least consult with him and talk things over to head problems off. I really hope you can get what you need. But if you’re in AZ or FL or TX I can see why they don’t want you to come in person for now. Hang in there.

ETA: An interesting fact I learned from the person I spoke with when I canceled my appointment with my pulmonologist...he said that the pandemic has pushed Telehealth to the forefront about five years before it was expected to be used routinely. He doesn’t think it will ever go back to in-person appointments for everyone, as before.

The only downside I see is that some doctors (looking at you my pain specialist) are unable to stay on schedule with their appointments, so it will be difficult to have a set time for a phone call. I have a feeling that may be why they didn’t automatically offer one as my PCP did. Maybe your pulmonologist is one of those time-challenged docs?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

speaking of dubious masks
I finally got a shipment of 'surgical' masks and they're awful!
the top part that you pinch closed is not metal so the top is loose around my nose
completely useless

I would just use the material as a filter in cloth masks, then.

 

[LadyL]

I would just use the material as a filter in cloth masks, then.

yeah I was thinking of doubling them up
I did order some cloth ones too

 

[gitana1]

Mayor Kate Gallego of Phoenix said on Sunday that with cases and death counts soaring in Arizona, testing sites in her city and surrounding Maricopa County are overwhelmed, but the Federal Emergency Management Agency has rebuffed her pleas for help.

She raised the issue on the ABC program “This Week,” saying that it “feels like they’re declaring victory while we’re in crisis mode.”

An aide to the mayor said that FEMA had responded to the city’s most recent request by saying the agency was “getting out of the testing business.” Maricopa County officials were told the same thing when they asked FEMA for help, the mayor said.

Coronavirus Live Updates: Phoenix Mayor Says FEMA Refused to Help With Testing

Well was she part of the contingent there that refused to even tell employees or the public when an outbreak occurred at one of its meat-packing plants? They’ve been in cover up mode for awhile.

I remember clearly when we all became aware of this virus, we were
tolddont wear a mask, they wont help--so for at least a month until we were
told otherwise, we didnt wear a mask-- we went grocery shopping a couple times a week with no mask-- we are grateful we didnt get the virus---as i recall, early on, we were
not advised to social distance either.my husband and i are in our 70's---

Yeah and that really caused the WHO and the CDC to lose credibility.

I think people climbing stairs are exhaling a lot more than people standing still in an elevator so it's about even imo. If I enter a stairwell I have no idea how many people were there just before me, much the same as an elevator.

I’m taking the stairs because there’s more air in the stairwell and less people climbing than crowded in an elevator, but you bring up a good point. I guess it depends on the situation.

I have to go back to court (inside) on 7-15 and I’m worried about that. It’s a domestic violence case and in family law right now those are the only ones in person.

But if there aren’t a lot of people I may take the elevator.

 

[gitana1]

Yes and just to add CSIDreamer they die alone. Nobody should die without a loved one by their side.

It’s a terrible way to die.

My mother is 83. She looks 63. She has an incredible social life. Way better than mine. She’s got a ton of friends of all ages, all walks of life, etc.
She’s very empathetic and mothers anyone who needs it. She’s such a welcoming, compassionate and positive person.

She’s now working on her master’s degree in anthropology after completing a double major in philosophy and liberal studies last year.

She’s a rock star.

The world would lose if she died of this disease. She has longevity in her family so I expect her to live much longer.

But even if that wasn’t in the cards for her, those of us who love her will take every moment we can.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Two Americans are facing $1,000 fines each after violating Canada's Quarantine Act upon their arrival across the border.

David Sippel, 66, and Anne Sippel, 65, of Excelsior, Minnesota, entered Canada at the Fort Frances crossing on June 24 and were instructed to self-quarantine for 14 days, Canada's Global News reported.

The Sippels were seen making stops in the town of Fort Frances, which the Ontario Provincial Police told Global News led to the charges.

The act was invoked in late March in response to the novel coronavirus pandemic. It mandates self-isolation for international travelers once they arrive in the country, barring them from public spaces like transportation. Forbes reported that the act was updated in 2005 to address the SARS epidemic by imposing legal penalties on those who break quarantine, including fines and jail time.
A Minnesota couple were fined $1,000 each for violating Canada's mandatory quarantine order

 

[Tadpole12]

New Cuban tourism system to isolate visitors from population - BNN Bloomberg

Plans to isolate tourists on 5 narrow islands.
Police escort of busses from A to B,
no stops.

July 1, begins.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Chart shows COVID-19 risk for 37 common activities

 

[BeckyF]

Are you in a hot spot @BeckyF? Here in southern Oregon, which isn’t a hot spot yet, but cases are increasing, I’ve been the one canceling or postponing. My primary care physician preferred to do Telehealth with me to go over labs (which I cautiously did at our small local hospital) so I wouldn’t have to come in. I canceled my annual check-in with my pulmonologist (for now) because I don’t have any issues going on. They offered Telehealth and I told them maybe later. Tomorrow I see my pain specialist in person, where they have a really good system set up, but I had postponed that twice since March. He will be only the second doctor I’ve seen since March in person. My husband rescheduled an in-person appointment with a specialist as a Telehealth (or phone) appointment to go over imaging.

Point being, is it possible to do Telehealth with your pulmonologist...unless, of course, he needs to listen to your lungs? It seems they could offer the opportunity to at least consult with him and talk things over to head problems off. I really hope you can get what you need. But if you’re in AZ or FL or TX I can see why they don’t want you to come in person for now. Hang in there.

ETA: An interesting fact I learned from the person I spoke with when I canceled my appointment with my pulmonologist...he said that the pandemic has pushed Telehealth to the forefront about five years before it was expected to be used routinely. He doesn’t think it will ever go back to in-person appointments for everyone, as before.

The only downside I see is that some doctors (looking at you my pain specialist) are unable to stay on schedule with their appointments, so it will be difficult to have a set time for a phone call. I have a feeling that may be why they didn’t automatically offer one as my PCP did. Maybe your pulmonologist is one of those time-challenged docs?

I’m in Missouri. I was told my doctor is very busy seeing inpatient COVID patients. I completely understand. I was offered a Visit via Zoom. I declined. What’s the point? They can’t listen to my lungs or take blood pressure via a Zoom visit. I’m left in the cold.