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Oh, I agree. While I'm empathetic, if you need help, get treatment. If you break the law, you get the consequences. Jmo
Apparently an old lady asked him to wear a mask. He was threatened by that? I don't feel any empathy for someone like that. He looked very menacing, and I have no doubt people he was screaming at actually did feel threatened. The guy had no mask on, was advancing at the person who took the video, and screaming. That's what is threatening as far as I am concerned. Not being asked to wear a mask.
 
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Growing Number Of Texas Sheriffs Refuse To Enforce Governor Abbott's Face Mask Requirement

A growing number of sheriffs in Texas say they are refusing to follow a recent executive order requiring face masks in public. Governor Greg Abbott’s mandate aims to slow the spread of coronavirus, as cases in the state soared past 200,000 on Tuesday.

Police officials in at least nine counties — including Denton, Houston, Montgomery, Gillespie, Upshur, Kerr, Gregg, Nacogdoches and Panola — said they will not impose the ruling with verbal or written citations. Some counties cited staffing issues, while others said the language in the order makes it impossible to police.

I agree with the officers. Really, right now they don't need to have a reason to confront people into a possible escalation.

The goal here should be social disapproval for this behaviour.
 
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Coronavirus Patient Infects Neighbor Without Meeting, Sharing Same Space

Asymptomatic Patient Infects Neighbor Without Meeting, Sharing Same Space

Jul 7, 2020

By Darwin Malicdem

Woman who self-quarantined after returning to the U.S. surprisingly transmitted COVID-19 to a neighbor who never saw her during isolation. The case even led to a series of coronavirus infections in the community that baffled researchers.



A new study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that an elevator played a role in the transmission of the coronavirus. Researchers said it could easily expose people to the virus even if an infected person doesn't ride with anyone else, Business Insider reported.



The woman returned to the U.S. from Heilongjiang province in China on March 19. She did not show any symptoms of COVID-19 but volunteered to isolate in her apartment and avoid any close contact with other residents.



During her quarantine, an antibody test revealed she was an asymptomatic coronavirus carrier. The patient never moved close to any person in their building but three weeks after her arrival, a downstairs neighbor and four of its close contacts contracted COVID-19.





The CDC study (Large SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak Caused by Asymptomatic Traveler, China ) shows that the neighbor likely caught the coronavirus by using the elevator in the building after the asymptomatic woman had ridden it. Her neighbor possibly touched the same surfaces and buttons contaminated with droplets carrying the virus.



People with COVID-19 can release the virus into the air and surfaces through droplets when they cough, sneeze or simply talk. Other people can then get the coronavirus by touching contaminated objects and then putting their hands on their mouth, nose or eyes.



Studies showed that the virus could survive on stainless steel and plastic for up to seven days. These materials are commonly found in elevators.



From An Elevator To 71-Person Cluster



The coronavirus did not stop in the woman’s downstairs neighbor. The infection even started a chain reaction in their community.



A week after the traveler returned home, the infected neighbor hosted her mother and her mother's boyfriend for an overnight stay. Three days later, the mother and boyfriend attended a party. On April 10, six people tested positive for coronavirus.



One patient suffered from a stroke before his COVID-19 testing. He went to a hospital where his sons cared for him, whom a few days later also tested positive.



The three of them unknowingly transmitted the virus to 28 other people, including staff and other patients, in the hospital. The father moved to a second hospital and caused another series of infections, which ended with 70 people with COVID-19 by mid-April.



Researchers said all those infections can be traced back to the neighbor's case. Scientists from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed the findings after testing virus samples from the patients and they were nearly identical.



"Our results illustrate how a single asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection could result in widespread community transmission," researchers stated in the CDC study.
 
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Apparently an old lady asked him to wear a mask. He was threatened by that? I don't feel any empathy for someone like that. He looked very menacing, and I have no doubt people he was screaming at actually did feel threatened. The guy had no mask on, was advancing at the person who took the video, and screaming. That's what is threatening as far as I am concerned. Not being asked to wear a mask.

A post on his ex-employer’s Twitter thread summed it up for me. It simply said, ‘imagine choosing this as the hill you want to die on’.
 
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I am not even sure covid infected people from surfaces in the elevator. Lots of evidence shows covid is airborne (and droplets can stay in the air for some time). So infected woman could have used the elevator, and her covid ridden droplets hung in the air, when other people used it. Elevator is a small space, so air doesn't have much room to spread in there.
Which could explain how all those people in NY who stayed home (but in their large apartment buildings) caught it (as Cuomo said sometime ago, patients in hospitals toward the end of the curve were the ones who stayed home). It also might be traveling through air conditioning if multiple units in the building share the same air.
 
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China warns of deadly ‘unknown pneumonia’ in Kazakhstan

The Chinese embassy in Kazakhstan has warned of a deadly “unknown pneumonia” after the former Soviet republic reported a spike in pneumonia cases since June.

“The death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus. The country’s health departments are conducting comparative research into the pneumonia virus, but have yet to identify the virus,” the embassy said in a warning to Chinese citizens in the country.

While the Chinese embassy described the illness as an “unknown pneumonia”, Kazakhstani officials and media have only said it is pneumonia.

Late last month officials warned about the rise in pneumonia cases. Kisikova said that doctors were finding 600 people a day with pneumonia symptoms, compared with 80 a day before the start of the Covid-19 outbreak, the Singapore-based website CNA reported.

“Every day, 350 to 400 patients are hospitalised in the city with either Covid-19 or pneumonia,” she said.
 
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South African province prepares 1.5 million graves as virus hits ‘full speed’

The coronavirus pandemic in Africa is reaching “full speed” and it is good to prepare for the worst-case scenario, the Africa Centres for Disease Control (CDC) and Prevention has said.

It comes after a South African official said a single province is preparing 1.5 million graves.

The number of confirmed virus cases across Africa surpassed the half-million milestone on Wednesday, with more than 12,000 deaths.

With testing levels low, the real numbers are unknown.

South Africa has the most confirmed cases with more than 224,000.
 
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My son's wedding is next week. It will be outdoors in their back yard. Seating will be 6 feet apart. There will be the groom, bride, their combined 4 children, groom's parents, bride's parents, the minister and his wife (my FIL and MIL).

After the ceremony we will have a professionally made cake, hopefully the baker will wear mask and gloves. I was going to bring some finger food but couldn't think of anything safe that everyone wouldn't be handling. I thought about fresh veggies, dip, cheese and crackers all in individual containers for each person but I don't have that many containers and I don't want to shop for them. Too many unmasked shoppers in the stores.

I've decided to make ham and cheeses sandwiches wrapped in individual ziplock baggies, 2 per guest. I bought a variety of chips which will also go in individual baggies. Two 12 packs of pop will also be in the cooler. I'll wear masks and gloves while preparing and packaging everything. I'll clean all pop cans with clorox wipes before putting them in the cooler. I'm thinking maybe I should put napkins inside each baggie with food so we won't be touching all napkins in a stack.

I know it doesn't sound fancy but these are crazy times. My mama's heart feels good knowing they are focused on their love for each other and their marriage instead of a fancy wedding. I'm super excited!

Did I miss anything? Any way for Covid to sneak past my safety measures? Mom and Dad are in their 80s, I want to be super careful.
 
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Oh great. Another virus with higher death rate? Or mutated covid with higher death rate? Either way, it's bad.
Hopefully, we won't need a whole separate forum for this new contagion.:eek:

ETA: Thankfully, they are still pretty much on complete lockdown for covid.

https://kz.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

"The fatality rate of the disease is much higher than COVID-19," reads the statement.

Kazakhstan's healthcare minister said on Wednesday that the number of patients sickened by the pneumonia is two to three times more than those who have been infected with COVID-19, Kazakh news agency Kazinform reported.

The minister said that it plans to publish accurate tallies of confirmed cases as early as next week, noting that while it's not necessary to publish the number, the public needs to know the true situation, Kazinform reported.

Unknown pneumonia deadlier than COVID-19 hits Kazakhstan: Chinese Embassy - Global Times
 
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https://www.masslive.com/news/2020/07/springfield-father-recovers-after-95-day-battle-with-coronavirus-doctors-still-learning-about-covid-19.html


SPRINGFIELD — Gustavo Figuereo’s odyssey began on March 28 when he went to Mercy Medical Center suffering from a fever, shortness of breath and chills so severe they left his body shaking.

Three months later — after being put on a ventilator twice, suffering kidney failure, picking up a stomach bacteria and facing other medical problems — the 32-year-old father of two from Springfield was sent home with the dubious distinction of having had the longest hospital stay of any Mercy Medical Center patient with COVID-19.

more at link
 
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I agree with the officers. Really, right now they don't need to have a reason to confront people into a possible escalation.

The goal here should be social disapproval for this behaviour.
Social disapproval itself can get the social disapprover in trouble as we see by the video just posted. I would not go into a shop or venue that required a mask without wearing one myself but also I would certainly not challenge or video or stink eye someone not wearing one. That is for the shop to enforce, not me. Get in, do my shopping, get out.
 
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My son's wedding is next week. It will be outdoors in their back yard. Seating will be 6 feet apart. There will be the groom, bride, their combined 4 children, groom's parents, bride's parents, the minister and his wife (my FIL and MIL).

After the ceremony we will have a professionally made cake, hopefully the baker will wear mask and gloves. I was going to bring some finger food but couldn't think of anything safe that everyone wouldn't be handling. I thought about fresh veggies, dip, cheese and crackers all in individual containers for each person but I don't have that many containers and I don't want to shop for them. Too many unmasked shoppers in the stores.

I've decided to make ham and cheeses sandwiches wrapped in individual ziplock baggies, 2 per guest. I bought a variety of chips which will also go in individual baggies. Two 12 packs of pop will also be in the cooler. I'll wear masks and gloves while preparing and packaging everything. I'll clean all pop cans with clorox wipes before putting them in the cooler. I'm thinking maybe I should put napkins inside each baggie with food so we won't be touching all napkins in a stack.

I know it doesn't sound fancy but these are crazy times. My mama's heart feels good knowing they are focused on their love for each other and their marriage instead of a fancy wedding. I'm super excited!

Did I miss anything? Any way for Covid to sneak past my safety measures? Mom and Dad are in their 80s, I want to be super careful.

Love all of your ideas
So thoughtful
That is what love looks like
 
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At the very least shut down dine in at restaurants; practically every health authority says this is high risk and yet still the governor allows it. Why? Since I am not the governor I don't know what other tools he has available but this single act is a no brainer as is a mask requirement that has some kind of teeth. Again, two simple acts that Arizona is NOT doing, despite the requests of mayors...

Do you currently dine out? I do almost every day. All employees are wearing masks and gloves and tables are miles apart. I've talked to owners of these places and they say another shut down will be their last, since they won't survive.

As for mask, what do you have in mind, $1000 fine, as I believe they have in Australia for lock down violators?

And for how long? Masks until there's a cure, and restaurants until they all go under?

We're still at a place where the only thing that has worked (places like South Korea and New Zealand) is to eliminate the virus through universal testing/tracing/quarantine. I'm not aware of anyplace that has licked this thing by not letting people get lunch.
 
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My son's wedding is next week. It will be outdoors in their back yard. Seating will be 6 feet apart. There will be the groom, bride, their combined 4 children, groom's parents, bride's parents, the minister and his wife (my FIL and MIL).

After the ceremony we will have a professionally made cake, hopefully the baker will wear mask and gloves. I was going to bring some finger food but couldn't think of anything safe that everyone wouldn't be handling. I thought about fresh veggies, dip, cheese and crackers all in individual containers for each person but I don't have that many containers and I don't want to shop for them. Too many unmasked shoppers in the stores.

I've decided to make ham and cheeses sandwiches wrapped in individual ziplock baggies, 2 per guest. I bought a variety of chips which will also go in individual baggies. Two 12 packs of pop will also be in the cooler. I'll wear masks and gloves while preparing and packaging everything. I'll clean all pop cans with clorox wipes before putting them in the cooler. I'm thinking maybe I should put napkins inside each baggie with food so we won't be touching all napkins in a stack.

I know it doesn't sound fancy but these are crazy times. My mama's heart feels good knowing they are focused on their love for each other and their marriage instead of a fancy wedding. I'm super excited!

Did I miss anything? Any way for Covid to sneak past my safety measures? Mom and Dad are in their 80s, I want to be super careful.

Sounds like a great plan. And congratulations to the bride and groom, and moms and dads of the bride and groom, too!
 
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