Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #69

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  • #541
I can't wrap my head around how these people would have coped during WW2. My parents had nearly six years of limited food items, rations for meat, eggs, cheese and milk, no banana, no oranges, no national sports, black out regulations, gas restrictions, clothing restrictions. And identity cards. Even kids had them. I still have my dad's.
In the UK it was 14 years. From 1940 till 1954. I was born in the 50's when rationing was still in force.

Link to Imperial War Museum for anyone interested.

What You Need To Know About Rationing In The Second World War
 
  • #542
Lung radiation helps coronavirus pneumonia patients recover faster, study says

Low-dose radiation therapy to the lungs has shown to speed recovery in hospitalized COVID-19 patients with pneumonia, a new study found.

The research team from Emory University’s Winship Cancer Institute in Georgia treated 10 patients with the therapy and compared clinical outcomes to 10 patients in a control group.

The findings, which have not been yet peer-reviewed, were published on Tuesday in the medRxiv preprint server.

The team suggested the therapy could reduce severe inflammation associated with coronavirus and improve patients' outcomes.

The radiation therapy allowed for a significantly faster clinical recovery, researchers wrote. Those treated with radiation recovered in three days, as opposed to 12 days in the control group.

Time to hospital discharge was reduced by eight days – 12, compared to 20 in the control group – and intubation was reduced to 10 percent of patients, compared to 40 percent for the control group.
 
  • #543
Unfortunately there is quite a lot of this. I really want to believe that it's just a case of the change in the media landscape since news papers got decimated by the internet, but this particular case is hard to explain away as the result of staffing issues.


MOO... Its not a staffing issue, coming from HC management the most reliable data is computer generated. When spreadsheets are complied by clerical staff, its not always accurate and most always needs review and corrections.

Anytime we can "get the computer" to capture data or upload data from an operating system it adds reliability. Hospital computers have staffing hours, shortages, PPE and drug inventories, patient diagnosis by admission/discharge/death and tons more.

I'm connect with some of modeling folks, and I knew they had been silent on this major change and these folks are very vocal. It would also have a tremulous impact on the modeling business.

My main observation of the program.... Hospitals will need to report real time information daily, if they want help from government resources. . They will no longer be able to cry wolf for supplies and drugs without releasing what they have on hand daily.

YUP! Some hospitals are horders and may not want to share the supplies they've paid an arm and a leg for and moved heaven and earth to obtain. Now this levels the playing field, stops horders, makes for better planning and now HHS will know what hospitals are sitting on.

We had a very bad situation in Virginia. All our PPE was initially sent to hospitals and first responders, no one thought of the nursing homes. What happened? We had major outbreaks in NHs with NO PPE and bottom on the supply chain that was prioritized for hospitals. Do you think the hospitals shared? Nope. I can dig up the articles if need.

This is a good thing. Remember it is voluntary as was all previous reporting. Actually the Federal goverment can't make a business (hospitals businesses) to report staffing, drug and supply inventories, its proprietary information. No we will never see this information posted on any website by hospital, by state yes, but by hospital no.

Moo....
 
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New York state helps set up Covid-19 testing sites in Houston

Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner on Thursday thanked New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his state for sending teams to help set up Covid-19 testing sites in Houston.

The two new testing sites are up and running in the northwest and southwest parts of Houston.

Cuomo's tweet: https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1283790001881456642

Governor Cuomo Announces New York State Establishes Two Church Testing Sites in Houston COVID-19 Hotspots

The Houston testing sites add to New York State's commitment to helping other cities and states fight COVID-19 across the country.

On Monday, Governor Cuomo announced New York State will send testing and contract tracing teams to Atlanta, Georgia.

On July 10, Governor Cuomo announced New York State would send the COVID-19 medication Remdesivir to Florida as the state struggles with a resurgence of cases.
 
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  • #545
There are lots of studies and I'm working on reviewing and compiling them just for my own understanding. The upshot is that it's clear that kids do transmit Coronavirus. However, they do not readily transmit to each other and in general, are not super-spreaders. By age 12, though, most kids are capable of doing a pretty good job of spreading CV in an enclosed space. By age 12, kids in contact sports or who are bused various places, are definitely transmitting to each other (but not at the rate of full grown adults).

30 kids in a room, with 10 of them silent transmitters of CoVid (easy to imagine), are certainly infectious to any adults in the room - and the room itself is probably infectious for at least a whole school day.

There are a bunch of unanswered questions, because we shut schools down early. But you can google CoVid Summer Camps and see that both kids and counselors have had (large) outbreaks. And schools in France, Italy and Israel (just off the top of my head) have seen outbreaks.

Kids are mostly infected by adults, IMO, but a couple of kids in a small apartment seem more than capable of spreading to the adults - we just don't have the contact tracing data to establish this point.

244 kids in Israel have CoVid after returning to school.

Some districts close after outbreaks but don't say how many children were involved. (US)

70 French students get CoVid after returning to school

The controversy over kids and CoVid centers around the fact that most of the time, it seems kids are getting it from infectious adults and not from each other. In fact, both France and Switzerland firmly believe that kids 12 and under cannot transmit to each other, whereas swab studies done in hospitals show that some kids under 12 have plenty of virus to shed. French and Swiss schools have smaller classroom size, generally have windows that open, have not met during late fall or winter, etc. The kids who've gotten it, they believe, got it from their teachers.

What is increasingly worrisome, though, is that even asymptomatic kids are exhibiting lung damage and heart wall damage. Kids without underlying conditions seem vulnerable to these things as well.

So we don't want kids to get it. But even if kids do not readily transmit to adults or to other children, how do we keep adults in schools from transmitting it kids and to each other? Presumably 20-40% of infected teachers and staff would be asymptomatic. But they'd infect a lot of kids (and their own classrooms).

Arizona coronavirus: Three teachers who shared a classroom got Covid-19. One of them died - CNN

(^warning, above link contains prominent picture involving fishing...)

The CDC has a page on CoVid deaths by age - children do die of CoVid, it's just proportionately way fewer. You can still find lots of articles published in February saying "no children have died in China or France" but that changed, and so naturally, parents are quite scared and concerned.

Study is needed to understand whether a bunch of children who are infectious and in a closed space are likely to infect others, as opposed to individual children infecting others in outdoor or well ventilated settings.

This is such great information. Makes it much clearer to me. Some good news and bad news but we have to proceed with caution.

I would also argue that most of the nations that have put the kids back in school also had serious shut downs and the ability to track cases after that.

For the most part we don’t seem to be there in the US in most places.
 
  • #546
MOO... Its not a staffing issue,
Moo....

I was referring to the media organizations who "incorrectly reported" this story. It was immediately portrayed as something nefarious, and the result was obvious, based on yesterday's posts.

I work in health care technology and this change had to have been in the works for quite a while. You don't just send a memo to every hospital in the country and say "change how you submit data, starting tomorrow."
 
  • #547
I can't take seriously anyone who compares mask advocates to Nazis. He should be shamed out of existence and happy to have never had to face actual Nazis.

Disgusting.

Yup. It’s pretty awful. My mom was subjected to Nazi occupation. She watched her little Jewish friends disappear from school. Raids in the city center. Her home raided. Parents questioned by Nazi officials at the home. She was questioned herself about whether strange people come and go to the house. (My grandparents were suspected resistance fighters. The suspicions were correct).

She went through the hunger winter as Nazis confiscated all the food being produced in Holland. Bombing. Her uncles sent to internment camps. Multiple diseases due to malnutrition. She had a root canal and tonsillectomy without anesthesia due to supplies being stolen by the Nazis.

But being required to wear a mask is equivalent?

I can only hope they’re being a bit facetious. But I don’t know. A cousin of mine sent me a cartoon of a Nazi official but the swastika was made up of needles and he had needles in his hands, held up like guns.

Same grandparents, btw. But apparently he thinks COVID is actually some corrupt scheme to force us all to be vaccinated.

Sigh.
 
  • #548
Which trustworthy countries will have had time to do a meaningful study on reopening their schools? Has any trustworthy country had a school open longer than a few weeks?

I would find any Western European nation to be trustworthy when it comes to data they produce. In fact, more so than I would trust our own, at this point, depending on region (sadly).

However, @10ofRods has cited the studies or research. But it’s clear much more needs to be done.
 
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Yes, what MSM is showing are public relations and press releases that some companies are doing. Heck, even Moderna is the "panacea" now for just getting the hospitilization days down 3-4 days.. what was it.. 17 to 13 in a hospital, but no difference in the outcome and mortality? MOO And now... folks are clamoring thinking it's a godsend?

SMDH.

Keep in mind MOO that most of what is in MSM these days is merely companies saying it works.

Heck... EPA has many approved for this virus if they met the standard for another... it was reciprocal back in ?? February and March.

Soap and water can do the same damn thing MOO.

They approved all under a certain approval more than 4 months ago.

Make a solution of bleach and water.... good to go.

Soap and water... good to go on body...(psst, also hard surfaces)

MOO


Yes we forget about good old soap, water and bleach, the universal disinfect.

A 4 day reduction in hospitalization, may seem small to most of us, but is a huge win, when hospitals are reaching surge capacity. Extra beds make a big difference, staffing, supplies and to incoming patients. It gives great hope to doctors, nurses, as families.

A four day reduction looks great in today's world, especially if you are in a hot spot. Gotta take those small success when we can.
 
  • #551
I was referring to the media organizations who "incorrectly reported" this story. It was immediately portrayed as something nefarious, and the result was obvious, based on yesterday's posts.

I work in health care technology and this change had to have been in the works for quite a while. You don't just send a memo to every hospital in the country and say "change how you submit data, starting tomorrow."
I think someone posted the link to the new company upthread and that contract was awarded in April IIRC- so you are right - it's been in the works. I'd like to hear what Dr. Fauci has to say on this.
iMO
BBM. It gets worse.

Coronavirus In Greater Houston: HISD Going Online-Only For 6 Weeks; Hospitals Told Not To Report Data To CDC | Houston Public Media

Hospitals in Texas and across the country will no longer be reporting coronavirus data directly to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention starting Wednesday.

Instead, U.S. Health and Human Services has told hospitals to send those metrics to a private data firm called TeleTracking.

ETA: So, our covid data is now going to the owner of a real estate and development company.:confused:
ETA:White House Strips CDC Of Data Collection Role For COVID-19 Hospitalizations


"Since March, hospitals have reported daily information on the availability of hospital beds, ventilators and personal protective equipment to an established data collection network run by the CDC called the National Healthcare Safety Network or NHSN, which has operated for years.

As of Wednesday, hospitals are being instructed by HHS not to use that system and instead to report to a new site set up by the department using a private contractor called TeleTracking.

The new system was set up by TeleTracking, a private company based in Pennsylvania, which was awarded the $10 million contract in a noncompetitive bid in April. Sen. Patty Murphy, D-Wash., the ranking member of the Senate health committee, wrote a letter to CDC Director Robert Redfield on June 3 asking why TeleTracking was awarded the contract on a noncompetitive basis."
 
  • #552
Oh, thank goodness. I thought that you got the information somewhere science based. Or MSM that children don't pass the virus.

Now that I hear that you are speaking of your partner and an atty that they told you that this can't be spread by kids.... and you are doubting therefore...

Understood where you are coming from.

Yes. I should have been more clear. But I need to figure out how to address misstatements like that in a few words, without alienating them. And I didn’t have the data or info to be able to do that.

It seems to be a complex and nuanced issue that we need much more study about but clearly kids can and do shed the virus, per what 10ofrods has shown. Just not as infectious as adults, which is pretty good news.

I think sometimes people will grab onto something they hear and make it more definitively fit their narrative or political position. Which we really can’t have in the middle of an international health emergency.

I want all available information to be able to make unbiased decisions.
 
  • #553
As the NFL and the NFL Players Association continue to negotiate rules under which training camps may begin later this month and the regular season may begin in September, the union is trying to make sure its members are kept up to date on the presence of the coronavirus around the country and in their specific communities.

The 72 number is difficult to put into context, because not every player in the league, or even a very large number, has been tested. But estimating 32 traditional 90-man training camp rosters would give you a number of 2,880 total NFL players at the moment, which means the 72 represent 2.5% of the league's player population.

The NFLPA has made this information public on its website, which also provides players a market-by-market look at how the virus has been spreading in cities where camps are scheduled to open later this month. The map on the site is based on 14-day averages of new positive tests and currently shows Miami as the "hottest" virus spot among NFL markets, with 4,164 average daily cases over the past two weeks. Close behind are Los Angeles, Arizona and Dallas.

72 NFL players tested positive for coronavirus


If I had to bet on NFL playing this fall or a vaccine by year end, it would be a vaccine.

JMHO and way to many critically needed test being utilized by our professional sport teams, when those infected wait in line for hours or can't get a test.
 
  • #554
I think someone posted the link to the new company upthread and that contract was awarded in April IIRC- so you are right - it's been in the works. I'd like to hear what Dr. Fauci has to say on this.
iMO

ETA:White House Strips CDC Of Data Collection Role For COVID-19 Hospitalizations


"Since March, hospitals have reported daily information on the availability of hospital beds, ventilators and personal protective equipment to an established data collection network run by the CDC called the National Healthcare Safety Network or NHSN, which has operated for years.

As of Wednesday, hospitals are being instructed by HHS not to use that system and instead to report to a new site set up by the department using a private contractor called TeleTracking.

The new system was set up by TeleTracking, a private company based in Pennsylvania, which was awarded the $10 million contract in a noncompetitive bid in April. Sen. Patty Murphy, D-Wash., the ranking member of the Senate health committee, wrote a letter to CDC Director Robert Redfield on June 3 asking why TeleTracking was awarded the contract on a noncompetitive basis."


Well, no hospital has to use this system or report any of this data. It was not requested prior to March and highly unusual to request from a private entity.

Moo... I think this is to force hospitals to report or do without supplies and drugs. Not all hospitals report.

Moo... The reason for TeleTracking is they are already in the business of hospital operating systems and used by the majority of hospitals. They know operating systems, have strong relationships with hospitals are understand the business. HHS needed to move quickly, and find ways to entice hospitals to relinquish
proprietary information.

Patient Flow | Health System Command Centers | TeleTracking

The foundation of TeleTracking's platform is its patient flow software solutions and advanced analytics capabilities. During the COVID-19 crisis, West Tennessee Healthcare took proactive measures to prepare for an influx of patients and provide system-wide transparency. TeleTracking deployed it's patient flow solutions and SynapseIQ Enterprise - including a capacity, census and epidemiology dashboard - remotely and in less than 2 weeks to provide real-time visibility across the entire health system.



Moo
 
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  • #555
Are strict border controls between States in Australia common? During an outbreak of some kind of plant or insect infestation I recall being questioned at the California border, but otherwise our border crossings consist of big signs saying "Welcome to the <insert slogan> State!"

in short, ‘no’. LOL. They could, I’m thinking, do it at tollbooths at the place where each state starts its highway system, and make you show your identification.

Oh, thank goodness. I thought that you got the information somewhere science based. Or MSM that children don't pass the virus.

Now that I hear that you are speaking of your partner and an atty that they told you that this can't be spread by kids.... and you are doubting therefore...

Understood where you are coming from.

Thankfully the CDC has given us some MSM clues:

PolitiFact: What we know, what we don’t about coronavirus and children

Children represent about 22 percent of the U.S. population, but only around 5 percent of confirmed COVID-19 cases, according to recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (That’s 1.7 percent of cases in the 0-9 age group and 3.8 percent of cases in the 10-19 age group). This holds true for other countries, too.

Dr. Megan Freeman, pediatric infectious disease fellow at UPMC Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh, told PolitiFact that there are a couple of hypotheses for why children comprise a smaller proportion of infections. One is that they may not be getting tested as often because their symptoms are usually mild or absent.

"Another hypothesis is that children have less expression of the ACE2 protein that the virus uses as its receptor in their noses and lungs, making it more difficult for them to be infected," Freeman wrote in an email. "Children handle this infection very well, for the most part, with most having mild or absent symptoms. This is true for both younger children and teens."

The risk of infection is about the same between boys and girls, experts tell us. And while there are more confirmed COVID-19 cases among teenagers, hospitalization data hasn’t shown that their infections are more severe than those in younger children.

(more at link)
 
  • #556
This is such great information. Makes it much clearer to me. Some good news and bad news but we have to proceed with caution.

I would also argue that most of the nations that have put the kids back in school also had serious shut downs and the ability to track cases after that.

For the most part we don’t seem to be there in the US in most places.

This article seems to be a good recap of the issue worldwide.

Why Is America Prioritizing Bars Over Schools?
 
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  • #558
Well, no hospital has to use this system or report any of this data. It was not requested prior to March and highly unusual to request from a private entity.

Moo... I think this is to force hospitals to report or do without supplies and drugs. Not all hospitals report.

Moo... The reason for TeleTracking is they are already in the business of hospital operating systems and used by the majority of hospitals. They know operating systems, have strong relationships with hospitals are understand the business. HHS needed to move quickly, and find ways to entice hospitals to relinquish
proprietary information.

Patient Flow | Health System Command Centers | TeleTracking

The foundation of TeleTracking's platform is its patient flow software solutions and advanced analytics capabilities. During the COVID-19 crisis, West Tennessee Healthcare took proactive measures to prepare for an influx of patients and provide system-wide transparency. TeleTracking deployed it's patient flow solutions and SynapseIQ Enterprise - including a capacity, census and epidemiology dashboard - remotely and in less than 2 weeks to provide real-time visibility across the entire health system.



Moo
The CDC director issued a media statement yesterday clarifying that the new data system was a CDC initiative, but the media, IMO, is unlikely to submit a retraction of their White House conspiracy theory, which has now become mainstream 'fact'.

Prepared Remarks from HHS Media Call with CDC Director Redfield and CIO Arrieta on COVID-19 Data Collection
 
  • #559
Lung radiation helps coronavirus pneumonia patients recover faster, study says

Low-dose radiation therapy to the lungs has shown to speed recovery in hospitalized COVID-19 patients with pneumonia, a new study found.

The research team from Emory University’s Winship Cancer Institute in Georgia treated 10 patients with the therapy and compared clinical outcomes to 10 patients in a control group.

The findings, which have not been yet peer-reviewed, were published on Tuesday in the medRxiv preprint server.

The team suggested the therapy could reduce severe inflammation associated with coronavirus and improve patients' outcomes.

The radiation therapy allowed for a significantly faster clinical recovery, researchers wrote. Those treated with radiation recovered in three days, as opposed to 12 days in the control group.

Time to hospital discharge was reduced by eight days – 12, compared to 20 in the control group – and intubation was reduced to 10 percent of patients, compared to 40 percent for the control group.

great news'-- they keep learning new ways to treat this virus
 
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