Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #69

[10ofRods]

I would think so. Folks eating and having a few drinks is better than folks hanging out in a "bar" atmosphere.

Typically, it means people have to have a seat. A small measure, to be sure, but better than crowding as many standing patrons into a space, as bars often do.

 

[Simply Southern]

I was already stocked up and in lockdown by then. If we in here were ready by then, then that tells you something, because we had same access to the same information officials did. Probably even less.

I was referring to the "mood/message" started to change in the US after the 8 or 10 of March, it became more focused and serious.

I ordered my first box of N95s right after New Years day and started stocking up on medical supplies, hand sanitizer, etc. By the end of Jan I had my cupboards well stocked and even toilet paper to supply the family, friends and last til next year.

 

[Bravo]

Typically, it means people have to have a seat. A small measure, to be sure, but better than crowding as many standing patrons into a space, as bars often do.

Yes and so much easier for the Staff to have some measure of control and manage all the protocols.

 

[10ofRods]

BOISE, Idaho — St. Luke's announced on Monday afternoon that one of the nurse practitioners on the St. Luke's Children team in Caldwell died from complications with COVID-19.

A spokesperson for the hospital said 45-year-old Samantha Hickey served Canyon County for over 15 years before her passing and that her death shows the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic.

St. Luke's nurse practitioner dies after complications from COVID-19, youngest person in Idaho to die from it

ETA link

Bold headlines totally deserved here, because I think people are forgetting what's ahead, as this thing winds through our communities.

Even if it's only 1 person in 2000 who dies (!!!), communities need to know this virus has its own plans for who it chooses.

Of course, if you never come into contact with a sufficient viral load, you can change the odds. Healthcare workers without proper PPE working in CoVId-intensive/highly infectious settings...it's bad.

 

[margarita25]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says "there is no shutdown coming" as coronavirus cases surge

“As the number of new coronavirus cases in Texas continues to rise and hospitals grow more crowded, Gov. Greg Abbott said Thursday there is no statewide shutdown looming.

Abbott said last week that if the spread of the virus didn't slow, "the next step would have to be a lockdown." But in a television interview Thursday, he said that there have been rumors of such a move and stressed that they were not true.

“Let me tell you, there is no shutdown coming,” he told KRIV-TV in Houston.”

[...]

"People are panicking, thinking I'm about to shut down Texas again," he said. "The answer is no. That is not the goal. I've been abundantly clear."

 

[Bravo]

Night all. Be safe. Be kind.

 

[Simply Southern]

No Alcohol for NYers Unless Served With Food, Cuomo Says

Starting today, establishments are now only permitted to serve alcohol to people who are ordering food, Cuomo said.

He also announced a "Three Strikes and You're Closed" initiative that could shut down bars and restaurants with three or more violations for failing to enforce social distancing.

I see lawyers waiting in the wings for this. I'm just not familiar with NY State or City Code to know if this is actually legally enforceable. I guess we'll see.

 

[margarita25]

When this is all over, I never want to hear the word “mask” again, or any other word relating to this nightmare for that matter.

 

[Simply Southern]

A lot of people knew something around the 8th of March. We were already getting alerts that this might change into a big event at that time.


It is difficult to predict how the outbreak will evolve in Australia and the situation may change rapidly. When significant community transmission is occurring, social distancing measures such as cancellation of public gatherings will be considered.
The AHPPC is closely monitoring the situation and further advice regarding public events will be provided when necessary.
Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) coronavirus (COVID-19) statement on 8 March 2020

What I intended to say.... The mood changed in the US around this time, became more serious. Moo

 

[10ofRods]

I was referring to the "mood/message" started to change in the US after the 8 or 10 of March, it became more focused and seruous.

I ordered my first box of N95s right after New Years day and started stocking up on medical supplies, hand sanitizer, etc. By the end of Jan I had my cupboards well stocked and even toilet paper to supply the family, friends and last til next year.

And you inspired and supported me, because at school, it was only a couple of us who were alarmed.

Now, I look at all the extra stuff I bought back then and I am super super glad I stocked up. I didn't manage to get a bunch of stuff I would love to have (Lysol wipes!). I'm trying to organize a new section of our closet to contain all this stuff. And I wish I'd gotten more N95's, but for my purposes, things are good.

I have no reason to go out and make things potentially worse for others.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes and so much easier for the Staff to have some measure of control and manage all the protocols.

Well, they are lucky ... to have a meal and a drink.

When we first opened up cafes for eating again (notice I said cafes, not restaurants or pubs) there was NO alcohol allowed at all, even with a meal.

Then they stepped it up a little, after a few successful weeks, and allowed alcohol with a sit-down meal in cafes and restaurants (still no pubs). With socially distanced tables of no more than 4 people.

We couldn't approach the counters, there were barriers of different kinds. We waited for table service, or spoke across the distance between the counter and the barrier.

Even a couple of weeks ago, when my DD and I went to TGIF for lunch ... there was a big barricade across the bar area.

 

[Simply Southern]

And you inspired and supported me, because at school, it was only a couple of us who were alarmed.

Now, I look at all the extra stuff I bought back then and I am super super glad I stocked up. I didn't manage to get a bunch of stuff I would love to have (Lysol wipes!). I'm trying to organize a new section of our closet to contain all this stuff. And I wish I'd gotten more N95's, but for my purposes, things are good.

I have no reason to go out and make things potentially worse for others.

Everyone was shopping at my "Mommiemart" by the end of March. I had stuff that was impossible to find.

 

[10ofRods]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says "there is no shutdown coming" as coronavirus cases surge

“As the number of new coronavirus cases in Texas continues to rise and hospitals grow more crowded, Gov. Greg Abbott said Thursday there is no statewide shutdown looming.

Abbott said last week that if the spread of the virus didn't slow, "the next step would have to be a lockdown." But in a television interview Thursday, he said that there have been rumors of such a move and stressed that they were not true.

“Let me tell you, there is no shutdown coming,” he told KRIV-TV in Houston.”

[...]

"People are panicking, thinking I'm about to shut down Texas again," he said. "The answer is no. That is not the goal. I've been abundantly clear."

Well, I think that's what a lot of governors said - and wanted. We all do. It does appear Texas is approaching a plateau, with about 110-130 deaths a day. ~12,ooo in 100 days. I hope it's going to go down. Rate is still going up slightly, but Texas is definitely getting a pause - people are doing something right.

 

[SouthAussie]

I see lawyers waiting in the wings for this. I'm just not familiar with NY State or City Code to know if this is actually legally enforceable. I guess we'll see.

Cuomo seems to be very careful about following legal channels. He appears to rely on legal rules and regulations, and Executive Orders.


Governor Cuomo: "The issue going to phase two or phase three is compliance by people and enforcement by local government. That is the issue. So, how is this going to work? It depends on how people act, which is how this has always been determined. And people, especially New York City, Long Island, compliance matters. It matters. And it's not just moral and ethical, communal, it's legal. These are the laws also. So, be aware of the law, follow the law.

Cuomo: "We're going to take an added step where I'm going to increase the state's enforcement capacity by executive order - Where violations of the rules and the regulations could allow State Liquor Authority to do an immediate suspension of an alcohol license, which means a bar or a restaurant that are violating the rules could have an immediate suspension of their license. Business that is violating the rules could have an immediate shutdown order."

Governor Cuomo Issues Executive Order Strengthening State Enforcement During Phased Reopening to Protect New Yorkers and Ensure Business Compliance

 

[ZoriahNZ]

I think it needs to be re-emphasized that wearing masks and keeping social distance works best in tandem. Also, that wearing masks is to help contain the spread more than preventing infection to oneself. So it's about performing a civic duty. But that requires people to care for others, as a community. It requires empathy. It's not always easy to appeal to our better natures. Some people will only take action once it affects them personally. Or they don't understand that their individual choices could harm or kill another person. It was the same with drunk driving regulations and anti-public smoking laws. It takes time to change attitudes. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time to turn things around.

Which is why many of us are upset about the conflicting messages and the botched early response to the pandemic.

Instead of trying to place blame, however, we need leaders and official at the local, city, state and federal level to take immediate action to aggressively tackle the problems arising and not just throw up their hands and sigh, "Oh, well, people die every day."

Make no mistake, this is worse than the flu. Worse than car accidents. In just half a year, over 140,000 have died and countless more have suffered severe health setbacks. In fact, we don't even yet know just how far reaching the quality of life effects are on those who have 'recovered'. That's not even going into the costs of healthcare. People are losing their insurance when laid off. This rippling effect is going to continue to create waves of economic, financial and personal devastation. Ignoring it, denying it, obfuscating numbers will NOT make the problem go away.

We need to support each other, protect each other and work towards beating this terrible contagion. I'm heartened by the strides being made in terms of vaccines and therapeutics. But we have to do our part to hold the line and not make matters worse until an effective vaccine can be rolled out globally.

 

[margarita25]

Texas:

Coronavirus live updates: Texas sets another record in COVID-19 deaths

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Texas Reports Highest 1-Day Death Toll Since Coronavirus Pandemic Began

“Texas Health and Human Services reported 10,291 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday and a state-record high 129 more deaths.

One day earlier, the state set a new high with nearly 10,800 new cases, along with a then-record 110 deaths.”

[...]

“In addition to the military personnel, a group of doctors and nurses from New York, along with personal protective equipment and other supplies arrived in Houston last weekend to help set up testing sites at two churches, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said during a conference call.”

[...]

“Houston has been struggling to meet the growing demand for COVID-19 testing, with long waits and sites often running out of daily test supplies by noon.”

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Texas again reports record number of COVID-19 deaths, local toll rises as well

“Statewide, 10,457 patients with lab-confirmed cases of COVID-19 were hospitalized Thursday.”

 

[Reasonable & Just]

What To Do About Part-Time School? NYC Announces Free Child Care For 100,000 Students

This is great, though a little scary to think about embarking on it. But any worthwhile step forward is scary. I freak out at the thought of unsupervised or abused children not getting a decent education, and am freaking out for parents as well. We have to figure out child care AND work out the best combo of in-person and distance. We have to put our best brains on this. There are so many abandoned strip malls and old K-marts everywhere - we need to find the space to spread out our kids when it's safer to go back. For my part, I invested in face shields (they are surprisingly affordable!) so I can go back to my own district with some confidence and not worry about that piece.

"The city aims to provide relief for working parents who either can't afford to stay home or can't find child care for the days that students aren't in school for in-person learning. The program will serve students from age 3 through eighth grade. There will be 50,000 available seats each day, with the idea that those seats will serve 100,000 students because of alternating in-person days at school.

Where will this child care be? The city says it is working to identify space in schools, community centers, libraries and elsewhere. The goal is to have as many seats as possible available when the school year begins and to add more spaces over time, according to the city."

 

[oviedo]

And you inspired and supported me, because at school, it was only a couple of us who were alarmed.

Now, I look at all the extra stuff I bought back then and I am super super glad I stocked up. I didn't manage to get a bunch of stuff I would love to have (Lysol wipes!). I'm trying to organize a new section of our closet to contain all this stuff. And I wish I'd gotten more N95's, but for my purposes, things are good.

I have no reason to go out and make things potentially worse for others.

Interesting you say this (About the extra stuff) as I got a message from a college student last December that they used my credit card with my permission(I gave it as an emergency) to purchase a special mask because they heard about this and were worried - smart kid right? I started gathering supplies when you all alerted me prior to my March cruise which I went on and it was less than 25% capacity so I have plenty- plus my mom taught me to have a full pantry, bleach and vinegar and freezer stocked and I’ve been able to share - but I never thought it would be this bad - JMO

 

[Simply Southern]

Cuomo seems to be very careful about following legals channels. He appears to rely on legal rules and regulations, and Executive Orders.


Governor Cuomo: "The issue going to phase two or phase three is compliance by people and enforcement by local government. That is the issue. So, how is this going to work? It depends on how people act, which is how this has always been determined. And people, especially New York City, Long Island, compliance matters. It matters. And it's not just moral and ethical, communal, it's legal. These are the laws also. So, be aware of the law, follow the law.

Cuomo: "We're going to take an added step where I'm going to increase the state's enforcement capacity by executive order - Where violations of the rules and the regulations could allow State Liquor Authority to do an immediate suspension of an alcohol license, which means a bar or a restaurant that are violating the rules could have an immediate suspension of their license. Business that is violating the rules could have an immediate shutdown order."

Governor Cuomo Issues Executive Order Strengthening State Enforcement During Phased Reopening to Protect New Yorkers and Ensure Business Compliance

We have a simular situation in Virginia bars and add the beaches to the mix. Our Governor is requiring businesses to enforce the mask mandate. Businesses are to counsel and encourage, then ask to leave the property, then call police and have arrested for trespassing. And he's sending in health inspectors to check and fine businesses.

Our slogan is ...

NO shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

We have a simular situation in Virginia bars and add the beaches to the mix. Our Governor is requiring businesses to enforce the mask mandate. Businesses are to counsel and encourage, then ask to leave the property, then call police and have arrested for trespassing. And he's sending in health inspectors to check and fine businesses.

Our slogan is ...

NO shirt, No shoes, No mask, No service.

Exactly. A good customer service mentality helps, too - like offering a mask or face shield or curbside service, but we need to stand firm either way. I think it is HUGELY helpful that corporations have finally stepped up. Maybe if WalMart, Target, and CVS had taken the lead a long time ago and normalized this, the poor workers at the smaller stores wouldn't have had to deal with so much pushback, harassment, and outright violence.