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<modsnip> It is not a united plan. It is extremely fractured. Too many gaps for the virus to sneak through.

Lace masks, no masks, rallies, parties, unrestricted travel ... the list goes on.

'Live with it' ... until/if a vaccine ever appears.
There is not and cannot be a national plan because it would be unconstitutional. The federal government does not have the power to mandate what states do. It's up to the governors and mayors to decide how to handle the pandemic in their respective states and cities. There are counties and cities with NO cases of Covid-19.
The federal government cannot say everyone in public must wear masks. They don't have that power.
Nor can they say businesses can only operate at a percent of their capacity---only cities and states can mandate that.
They can withhold federal funds from schools if schools don't comply with shutting down if that's what they recommend that they do, but they cannot shut down schools. Schools are also funded by city taxes and if a city decides to keep them open, the federal government cannot make them shut down. .
If people are looking for a national plan in the USA, there will never be one, because it would be unconstitutional.
 
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Yes, I've seen it. The CDC has had it up for some time. It's thin and puny.

I must have misunderstood as I thought you said they didn't have a comparable document? It's 52 pages issued in 2017 just so we know we are talking about the same document.
 
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Lessons from 1918 Flu Pandemic...

By the fall of 1918 the disease touched down in San Francisco for the first time.



By mid-October 1918, there had been more than 20,000 cases of influenza and 1,000 deaths in the city so far.


At first, there was mostly widespread compliance with mask-wearing orders when the first one was issued by the Board of Supervisors on October 25, 1918.


Businesses, restaurants, and theaters were also closed, and the city's Board of Health advised people to avoid large crowds and gatherings.

Surgical masks at the time were constructed from gauze, but the materials that many citizens used for masks were even more "porous and ineffective." And not everyone was devout in their adherence to the mask-wearing law.


On October 27, 110 people were arrested for flouting officials and either refusing to wear masks in public or wearing them improperly.


They were sent to jail for "disturbing the peace," and those who could afford it were released under a $10 bail.


Some served 30-day jail sentences, according to a report from the San Francisco Chronicle. Many more were gradually imprisoned in the following weeks for the same reason — the Chronicle reported 175 arrests on November 2, 1918.


The jails became overcrowded, with officers working double-duty to process cases.


Some incidents were more violent than others.


A blacksmith named James Wiser refused to wear a mask in public and stood on a street corner attempting to convince others in a crowd to discharge their masks.


Photos show how San Francisco had to convince its 'mask slackers' to wear masks after many defied the law while the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic seized the city




The bumpy ride of “The Mask Slackers” and the formation of the “Anti Mask Wearing League” of San Francisco in the 1918 Flu Pandemic.


Good outline and archival photos in this article.


Well, what a merry go round the mask thing was in certain places back in 1918. Same issues of civil liberties. And, no one likes wearing them.


At first SF imposed the ordinance and shut down the economy, then the flu declined, then it spiked, this time ordinance with certain businesses open, people got fed up... SF ended up having a terrible death toll.


Philadelphia topped the list of losses at 250k because they decided to throw a massive parade in the middle of the pandemic. Other cities barely touched.


So, here we are in 2020 going down that rabbit hole, again...


As was pointed out, with the 10th amendment, it’s not like federal government can just enact a mask law. They enacted guidance. It’s up to the states to mandate. And there’s plenty blowback at that level.


What struck me about 1918 which is what I think is part of what is missing now, is that initially when the people wore masks to protect our troops in WWI everybody was pretty much on board. As the pandemic wore on things devolved.


Now, we are struggling to find that balance again. Very hard to enact law or police something like masks or people’s tendency to an all or nothing mentality.


Leadership, facts, and messaging is what got us through in the northeast, for sure. Both NY and NJ are tightening some rules again as cases creep up. But both governors have also been very present, very informative, and both have held press conferences this week...


What’s very unfortunate is there’s not a unified feeling in this country like there was, say after September 11th. Agree or disagree politically, the messaging at the top was consistent, clear, and compassionate to all Americans. And we were all on board with it, too. Nobody was going to mess with us again.


Would it have been smarter to not completely shut down? Don’t know because almost the whole world shut down even it’s healthy people for the very first time in history.


We don’t even know why we are struggling so. We are like 50 countries under an umbrella. Failures and successes exist on all levels. It’s testing our humanity, faith, and the constitution.


Having seen these two very different times, one where America felt very unified in 2001, and now so divided in 2020, I can also see how powerful messaging at the top really is. Or isn’t.

Jmo
 
  • #224
Yes, I've seen it. The CDC has had it up for some time. It's thin and puny.
Back when the press secretary talked about the current administration's replacement - so-called the "2018 Pandemic Preparedness Report" - I looked for it and it was nowhere to be found. Not on the CDC or HHS site. Not on any .gov site that I could find. I found an after action report from a table-top exercise done in 2018, but nothing resembling a plan for pandemic preparedness.

No idea what she was talking about.
 
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Russian ambassador rejects vaccine hacking claims

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Image captionAndrei Kelin has been Russian ambassador since November last year
Russia's ambassador to the UK has rejected allegations that his country's intelligence services tried to steal coronavirus vaccine research.

"I don't believe in this story at all, there is no sense in it," Andrei Kelin told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

On Thursday, UK security services said hackers targeting vaccine developers "almost certainly" operated as "part of Russian intelligence services".

Mr Kelin also rejected suggestions that Russia had interfered in UK politics.

Earlier this week, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said Russians almost certainly sought to interfere in the 2019 UK election through illicitly-acquired documents.

The papers, which emerged online, detailed UK-US trade discussions and were used by Labour in its election campaign.

"I do not see any point in using this subject as a matter of interference," Mr Kelin said.

"We do not interfere at all. We do not see any point in interference because for us, whether it will be [the] Conservative Party or Labour's party at the head of this country, we will try to settle relations and to establish better relations than now."

The interview comes days before a report into allegations of wider Russian interference into UK democracy is due to be published by Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee.

On Thursday, UK, US and Canada security services said a hacking group called APT29 had targeted various organisations involved in Covid-19 vaccine development, with the likely intention of stealing information.

The UK's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) said it was more than 95% certain that the group, also known as The Dukes or Cozy Bear, was part of Russian intelligence services.

More at link.

This interview will be shown on BBC tomorrow on the Andrew Marr show at 9a.m. BST.
 
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Back when the press secretary talked about the current administration's replacement - so-called the "2018 Pandemic Preparedness Report" - I looked for it and it was nowhere to be found. Not on the CDC or HHS site. Not on any .gov site that I could find. I found an after action report from a table-top exercise done in 2018, but nothing resembling a plan for pandemic preparedness.

No idea what she was talking about.

Yeah, there's nothing since 2017 that I can find. Usually, these plans carry over through several administrations and are released at intervals. Many states have also failed to update their disaster planning (sidetracked in part by the need to revise for active shooter scenarios).

I see no attempt by the CDC or any other agency to correlate plans or update them, either. While all medical personnel are needed front line, I wonder what the bureaucrats whose job is to research and develop policy are doing. From home.
 
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Pandemic Influenza | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Influenza (Flu)




An influenza pandemic is a global outbreak of a new influenza A virus. Pandemics happen when new (novel) influenza A viruses emerge which are able to infect people easily and spread from person to person in an efficient and sustained way. The United States is NOT currently experiencing an influenza pandemic. There is an ongoing pandemic with a new coronavirus. CDC influenza programs protect pdf icon[1.1 MB, 2 pages, 508] the United States from seasonal influenza and an influenza pandemic, which occurs when a new flu virus emerges that can infect people and spread globally.

Pandemic Basics and Past Outbreaks

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CDC works to improve global control and prevention of seasonal and novel influenza, and works to improve influenza pandemic preparedness and response.

Resources

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HHS Pandemic Influenza Plan pdf icon[102 MB, 52 pages]

This last pdf file is the 2017 Pandemic 52 page plan that I am referring to. The link at the very top is the link I provided in my prior post. I have now copied what was at the link so that all the individual pdf file links can be seen and are available if required.

These are the specific Coronavirus documents. 8 pages of links to guidance documents at this one link below.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
 
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I had a v sweet chat with my mum today. She said her hairdresser had a mask with polka dots, her sister has bought some with twinkly stars and she's going to browse a weblink someone gave her to choose some. I said who'd ever have thought that we'd be talking mask fashion?! :D
Covid chic! I wear masks with fairies, unicorns or butterflies. They accessorize well with my hot pink shoe covers. Never have I ever imagined that I would change my look in such a way.
 
  • #230
Rsbm

85 infants tested positive for coronavirus in 1 Texas county as U.S. sets new daily case record

I really don't want this to be true. I hope they suffer no consequences of the infection.

"”These babies have not even had their first birthdays yet," director Annette Rodriguez said Friday of the infants in the group. "Please help us to stop the spread of this disease. Stay social distanced from others; stay protected. Wear a mask when in public and for everyone else please do your best to stay home."“

[...]

“The Nueces County medical examiner, Adel Shaker, told NBC News on Saturday that a 6-week-old boy who died last week tested positive for the virus. Shaker said he has not determined if COVID-19 was the cause of death and is running more tests to find out.”
 
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Ex-New York Gov. George Pataki calls Mayor de Blasio a 'disaster' and decries the state of NYC | Daily Mail Online

"Former New York Governor George Pataki expressed concern for the future of the Big Apple, declaring Mayor Bill de Blasio a 'disaster' as he also decried the state's handling of the coronavirus.

The three-term Republican governor, 75, has been out of politics for more than a decade but was contemplating the possibility of running against Governor Andrew Cuomo in 2022, sources said to the New York Post.

'You never say never,' he said. Pataki notably stopped Cuomo's father, Mario Cuomo, from winning a fourth term in 1995.

'For the first time ever I fear for the future of New York City. The de Blasio administration has been a disaster and New York has been hit by just decision after decision that really jeopardize its future. It's not just City Hall but Albany too,' Pataki said. 'This cannot be allowed to continue or New York City is going to die.'

While Governor Cuomo was not named by Pataki, sources tell the Post that he is not thrilled with his performance for the state. One source claimed that Pataki was appalled by Cuomo's decision to force nursing homes to accept seniors who tested positive for the coronavirus."
 
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BBM:

“Home to the Gulf city of Corpus Christi, Nueces is one of 250 Texas counties — out of 254 — now reporting coronavirus cases, according to the state's health department COVID-19 tracker. On June 10, Corpus Christi announced the death of a 6-month-old baby due to COVID-19, the only death of a child under one year old reported in the county thus far.”

[...]

“Rodriguez said Friday that the county tested 860 people throughout the week, and 328 tests came back positive for coronavirus, a 38% positivity rate.

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“"We're seeing a lot of transmission between family members," she said. "Don't invite others into your home to get this illness."“

85 infants in one Texas county test positive for coronavirus
 
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'Wartime state' for Chinese city over Covid-19

China coronavirus: 'Wartime state' declared for Urumqi in Xinjiang
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Image captionUrumqi is being subjected to what are now typical Chinese lockdown measures for outbreaks
A "wartime state" has been declared in Urumqi, the capital of China's western Xinjiang region, after a spike in cases of coronavirus.

Officials on Saturday said 17 new cases had been recorded and strict measures on movement had been imposed.

Although the figure appears low, China has recorded very few significant outbreaks since Covid-19 emerged in the city of Wuhan late last year.

China is now not in the top 20 in terms of either infections or deaths.

It has recorded just over 85,000 infections and 4,600 fatalities, according to Johns Hopkins university research.

What is happening in Urumqi?
The capital of the Xinjiang Autonomous Region has a population of about 3.5 million.

The latest infections began to be detected on Wednesday, the first in the region for months, prompting the cancellation of almost all flights in and out of the city. Subway services were also suspended.

On Saturday, officials said the total of cases was 17. One official told a state briefing: "The whole city has entered a 'wartime state', and will suspend all kinds of group activities."

The latest lockdown measures include:

  • Mass screening in buildings where new cases have been detected, later expanding to the whole of Urumqi
  • Visits to other households are restricted, as are large gatherings
  • Residents urged not to leave the city unless absolutely necessary and must be tested if they do
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Rui Baoling, the director of the disease control and prevention, said the main cluster had been detected in the Tianshan district of Urumqi but although the "epidemic has developed rapidly", she added that the "situation is generally controllable".

Xinjiang has this week reported another 23 cases listed as "asymptomatic", with 269 people under "medical observation".

More at link.
 
  • #235
Synopsis of the Playbook brouhaha from a couple months back, for those who missed it.

Coronavirus: Mitch McConnell admits Obama provided pandemic playbook


Still, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters Thursday afternoon that the "Obama-Biden plan that has been referenced was insufficient" and eventually was "superseded by a President Trump-style pandemic preparedness response plan."

"Which was much better, which was much more complete and which was a lot tougher," Trump added Thursday before heading to Pennsylvania on the Marine One helicopter.

"We were — we were given very little when we came into this administration," Trump added Thursday. "... And I think we’re going to have a vaccine by the end of the year, and I think distribution will take place almost simultaneously because we’ve geared up the military."
 
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Today is my first time going out to have a cup of coffee since way back in very early March.
I never used to be nervous just going out for coffee. How times have changed!
People say the club is taking precautions.
I'm taking my homemade sanitising wipes with me. And a mask for if I start to feel unsafe. And will do the now usual, not touching face etc.
Literally no one is wearing a mask here, country New South Wales, Australia.
Saw only one person wearing one when I went for one of my rare ventures out last week.
Outing was to check my PO Box and pick up a click and collect from Big W, my lovely new purple fitted sheet.

We've had less than 12 cases in our town, no deaths. No cases for months now. I hope it stays like that.
The closest death was 45km away, that lady was on one of the cruise ships and died in a Sydney hospital.
I just heard on the radio about a church, I presume it's in Sydney, where a lady tested positive. She had gone to Mass three days running.
 
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There is not and cannot be a national plan because it would be unconstitutional. The federal government does not have the power to mandate what states do. It's up to the governors and mayors to decide how to handle the pandemic in their respective states and cities. There are counties and cities with NO cases of Covid-19.
The federal government cannot say everyone in public must wear masks. They don't have that power.
Nor can they say businesses can only operate at a percent of their capacity---only cities and states can mandate that.
They can withhold federal funds from schools if schools don't comply with shutting down if that's what they recommend that they do, but they cannot shut down schools. Schools are also funded by city taxes and if a city decides to keep them open, the federal government cannot make them shut down. .
If people are looking for a national plan in the USA, there will never be one, because it would be unconstitutional.
I really wish more people had a basic grasp of constitutional law in the US. This is spot on. Yet we continue to hear the media spin how terrible it is we don’t have a national plan. God forbid the powers that be tried to implement a national plan either. We would hear all about how it’s unconstitutional.
 
  • #239
Today is my first time going out to have a cup of coffee since way back in very early March.
I never used to be nervous just going out for coffee. How times have changed!
People say the club is taking precautions.
I'm taking my homemade sanitising wipes with me. And a mask for if I start to feel unsafe. And will do the now usual, not touching face etc.
Literally no one is wearing a mask here, country New South Wales, Australia.
Saw only one person wearing one when I went for one of my rare ventures out last week.
Outing was to check my PO Box and pick up a click and collect from Big W, my lovely new purple fitted sheet.

We've had less than 12 cases in our town, no deaths. No cases for months now. I hope it stays like that.
The closeset death was 45km away, that lady was on one of the cruise ships and died in a Sydney hospital.
I just heard on the radio about a church, I presume it's in Sydney, where a lady tested positive. She had gone to Mass three days running.
I hope it was a really good cup of coffee! Glad you braved it and it all sounds v safe
 
  • #240
Before the latest surge here in Victoria, Australia, schools were open. When there was a case in a school, that school would close for deep cleaning, and close contacts of the infected person/s were isolated. Now in Melbourne schools are closed again for lockdown #2, except for Years 11 & 12 (final two years of high school) and specialist school students when school returns this week after holidays. As in Lockdown #1, students of essential workers can go to school, all others will be remote learning.

The biggest school cluster was at Al-Taqwa College (which remains closed), I can’t find the latest numbers but as of 4 days ago when this article was written this cluster was at 147 cases, which includes staff, students and close contacts.

As Melbourne college's COVID-19 cluster nears 150, parents question if schools should be open
 
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