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  • #901
Yes it's funny really because I along with most Aussies I guess, would call a group of adult chickens in a backyard ,chooks.
While the babies we would call chicks or chickens.
And the saying "headless chooks" has been around a long time. I have no idea where it came from or even if it originated in Australia but it does seem likely.
But when we buy chicken to eat we would just call it chicken, never chook or at least I've never heard it referred to as that.
Maybe the "chook" is like a sentimental attachment to the chickens that everyone seemed to have in their backyards then, along with the hills hoist and the choko vine on the old wooden fence.

Oops no Coronavirus content so I'll say this, for awhile, chicken disaappeared from the shops due to panic buying, thankfully it's been back for awhiile.

Then there's "elbow grease" but that's another story :)

(I smiled so much when you said “chook” the other day (means “chicken”)—I have a dearly departed friend who spent time in Australia and taught me about that. (eta: We would go to the store and “get some chook” :))
 
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  • #902
Nearly a third of Florida children taking a coronavirus test are positive — and no one knows why

Has this been posted?

Seems there is still a lot that is unknown regarding children and transmission.

"The Florida figures complicate research whether children are, in fact, less susceptible to contracting the virus, which had been previously posited in numerous studies across several countries.

"That's a really high number," Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, told Insider. "It's a concern that translates into curiosity. We need an elaborate understanding of what that number means."

The data, on its face, is incomplete. It's unclear whether only high-risk children with symptoms were tested, or if the figure also includes children with no known exposure who were tested, for example, to gain admittance to camp or another organized program."


"The Florida Department of Health didn't immediately respond to requests for comment.

"A major question mark at this time — with regard to children and the coronavirus — is whether or not young people who have COVID-19 spread the disease with ease. It's a pressing concern as states decide if — and how — to safely reopen schools in the fall.

"How penetrate is this virus is in our hot spots to our children?" Dr. Schaffner said. "This is something we don't know yet. We don't have a good handle on this." "

More detail at link.

ETA I am posting below the CDC info and links re children and Covid.

What we know about MIS-C

Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) is a condition where different body parts can become inflamed, including the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal organs. We do not yet know what causes MIS-C. However, we know that many children with MIS-C had the virus that causes COVID-19, or had been around someone with COVID-19. MIS-C can be serious, even deadly, but most children who were diagnosed with this condition have gotten better with medical care.

What to do if you think your child is sick with MIS-C
Contact your child’s doctor, nurse, or clinic right away if your child is showing symptoms of MIS-C:

  • Fever
  • Abdominal pain
  • Vomiting
  • Diarrhea
  • Neck pain
  • Rash
  • Bloodshot eyes
  • Feeling extra tired
Be aware that not all children will have all the same symptoms.

Seek emergency care right away if your child is showing any of these emergency warning signs of MIS-C or other concerning signs:

  • Trouble breathing
  • Pain or pressure in the chest that does not go away
  • New confusion
  • Inability to wake or stay awake
  • Bluish lips or face
  • Severe abdominal pain
How doctors will care for your child
Doctors may do certain tests to look for inflammation or other signs of disease. These tests might include:

  • Blood tests
  • Chest x-ray
  • Heart ultrasound (echocardiogram)
  • Abdominal ultrasound
Doctors may provide supportive care for symptoms (medicine and/or fluids to make your child feel better) and may use various medicines to treat inflammation. Most children who become ill with MIS-C will need to be treated in the hospital. Some will need to be treated in the pediatric intensive care unit (ICU).

Parents or caregivers who have concerns about their child’s health, including concerns about COVID-19 or MIS-C, should call a pediatrician or other healthcare provider immediately. Healthcare providers can follow CDC recommendations to keep children and their parents or caregivers safe if an in-person visit is needed.

What we don’t know about MIS-C
CDC is still learning about MIS-C and how it affects children, so we don’t know why some children have gotten sick with MIS-C and others have not. We also do not know if children with certain health conditions are more likely to get MIS-C. These are among the many questions CDC is working to try to understand.

All CDC recommendations are based on the best data and science available at the time, and we will update them as we learn more.

How to protect your child from COVID-19
Based on what we know now about MIS-C, the best way you can protect your child is by taking everyday actions to prevent your child and the entire household from getting the virus that causes COVID-19.

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  • #903
This is terrible! :(

Is Ireland your country, Mo? How are things doing there?
Yes, I'm Irish, SA, and living here (although I lived in Australia for a while!). Things are pretty good again in Ireland but I'm watching the numbers like a hawk. We are in phase 3 of reopening (restaurants, hotels, hairdressers and gyms back open) but recently deferred phase 4 (pubs and nightclubs) as the new case numbers were climbing slightly again. Yesterday we had 0 deaths and 6 new cases but in last few weeks we had climbed to 30ish new cases some days, which is too high for our little population. Travel to other countries is still advised against by the government unless essential so no overseas holidays for us this year. We have all been told to have 'staycations' in Ireland. We had effectively suppressed the virus in the general community by May but now we have low levels of community transmission again as people move around more. We'll see. Schools are due to reopen late Aug if the virus is under control but that may not happen if case numbers sneak back up again. Masks are now compulsory in indoor public areas and on public transport. I am taking no risks and still living like we are in lockdown, food shopping trips only and no up-close socialising with family or friends. And I work from home.

Just a note on the nurses who allegedly didn't report potential Covid symptoms. It seems shocking and irresponsible especially considering they would still have been paid their base rate of pay. But the cost of living in Ireland is very high, particularly in urban areas, and many healthcare workers would very much rely on their overtime pay in order to meet their mortgage repayments and bills etc. So you can see how a minority of nurses would have been afraid to take a temporary pay cut although it seems unconscionable.
 
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  • #904
Coronavirus News: Hundreds protest over closure of NY Catholic school

Apparently not enough enrolments (due to Coronavirus fears I guess) so schools are being closed.

YONKERS, Westchester County (WABC) -- A rally was held in Yonkers Tuesday to help save a Catholic school shut down in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.

Several hundreds of people gathered in Yonkers Tuesday night to support their beloved school, St. Paul the Apostle, which goes from kindergarten through eighth grade.

"We're a family. This is what families do," father John Mitchell said.

Mitchell's three young boys attend this school, at least they used to.

"It's not right. It's not fair," fifth grader Iam Fullam said. "Means too much to us to let it go now."
 
  • #905
Yes, I'm Irish, SA, and living here (although I lived in Australia for a while!). Things are pretty good again in Ireland but I'm watching the numbers like a hawk. We are in phase 3 of reopening (restaurants, hotels, hairdressers and gyms back open) but recently deferred phase 4 (pubs and nightclubs) as the new case numbers were climbing slightly again. Yesterday we had 0 deaths and 10 new cases but in last few weeks we had climbed to 30ish new cases some days, which is too high for our little population. Travel to other countries is still advised against by the government unless essential so no overseas holidays for us this year. We have all been told to have 'staycations' in Ireland. We had effectively suppressed the virus in the general community by May but now we have low levels of community transmission again as people move around more. We'll see. Schools are due to reopen late Aug if the virus is under control but that may not happen if case numbers sneak back up again. Masks are now compulsory in indoor public areas and on public transport. I am taking no risks and still living like we are in lockdown, food shopping trips only and no up-close socialising with family or friends. And I work from home.

Just a note on the nurses who allegedly didn't report potential Covid symptoms. It seems shocking and irresponsible especially considering they would still have been paid their base rate of pay. But the cost of living in Ireland is very high, particularly in urban areas, and many healthcare workers would very much rely on their overtime pay in order to meet their mortgage repayments and bills etc. So you can see how a minority of nurses would have been afraid to take a temporary pay cut although it seems unconscionable.

I understand. I watched a program not long ago about the cost of housing in Ireland and how some new developments were left abandoned. I am not sure how old the program was, but it did seem that things were not easy.

I hope things go well for you and your beautiful country. :)
 
  • #906
Did we ever start a thread for dreams about the virus.

Because I had one today. Seems I had "someone" in my house that I came to believe was an alien, the non human kind, and they stationed themselves in the living room that my bedroom opens onto. I felt sort of trapped in there because somehow this "person" turned up and set up my sofa bed and promptly made himself at home. The nerve of him! There had been another one who had left the house and from them talking I was sure they were aliens, ie not human.

I had no proof so I thought I would "taunt" this "man" into revealing his true self.. I thought I would be brave for the sake of the world :)
I heard him talking and went out of my bedroom and he had an ipad, there was a woman talking to him. I had a beanie on and this "man" said "you've cut your hair" and I took my pony tail in my hand and swished it around and I spoke to the woman. She had just said to this "man: that he had come from far away. I said "very very far" "extremely far" I repeated it a few times and he looked really angry so I went back into my bedroom.
A few minutes later I saw the doorknob turning and the sound of the key locking, then the sound of the front door shutting. Yikes!
But anyway I can get out the window that used to be the end of the house before the extensions were added ,but of course in dreams you think maybe you are stuck in there, while these aliens do whoever knows what to the world.

I believe I dreamed this because I still feel it's unsafe to go out. And could get worse.
On the good side, it's been two days now since I ventured out to have my first outing for coffee and I feel fine :)
And my friend said the club will be starting to take temperatures of people entering. With the non touching thermometers.
 
  • #907
Yesterday's Dr. Seheult Update #98. Interesting discussion on the question of are PCR tests (~$100-$200/test) really needed in large scale at home testing vs. paper monoclonal antibody tests which are only 50% sensitive (~$1-$2/test). It goes to the increase of viral loads at onset of disease within detectable threshold within hours to positive detection for the paper tests. And at home could do quickly in 10 minutes and do serial tests daily very cheaply. Real time application e.g. for children at school or any time reduction of Rt is needed.

This type of test was brought up months ago, but was pooh poohed because of low viral load sensitivity, but now there has been an aha moment of scientists. (scientists will have to fight FDA on this due to low sensitivity as this test goes to who is infected)

Very good, no, EXCELLENT educational video, (must listen to for folks like @margarita25 etc MOO) especially MOO I think this approach is a good one they speak to and will be the science approach in the future... screenshot from 17:00 at link. They also link to a paper discussing it "Test sensitivity is secondary to frequency and turnaround time for COVID-19 surveillance"

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Summary at link "The current COVID-19 testing strategy in the United States is estimated by the CDC to pick up less than 10% of infections. Dr. Seheult of MedCram.com features snippets from a recent This Week in Virology (Episode 640) with Dr. Michael Mina of Harvard who explains that the technology exists for at home, inexpensive, self-administered, "paper" COVID-19 tests that are likely accurate enough to pick up the vast majority infectious cases of COVID-19. And how lower sensitivity of inexpensive tests may be ideal for a screening test that is performed with high frequency. Utilization of paper type COVID-19 tests may provide the optimal path forward to curtail the growth of COVID-19 and open schools and our economy in a much safer way. (This video was recorded July 20, 2020 ).".. and references another youtube with

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  • #908
The Villages was in inter(?)national news last month. Google: Trump, golf cart, villages, rally No wonder their numbers are spiking.
A link to the reason for the spike being due to the Villages could be a good idea rather than saying "Google etc".
Otherwise this is just rumour IMO.

Re the home tests @dixiegirl1035 we used these in the UK. I will find a link.

Get a free NHS test today to check if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) now

How do I get a test?
You can apply for a test online.

We'll ask you:

  • how you want to get the test – at a drive-through or walk-through test site or by ordering a home test kit
  • for details such as your name, mobile phone number and address
 
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  • #909
An interesting graph (mostly for the Aussies on this thread).


Victoria (Aus) virus cases as compared with Indiana (US) - all stats as of yesterday - populations are very similar. May be a decent indication of how different strategies are working?

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Victoria is geographically about 2 1/4 times the size of Indiana, with its covid concentrations primarily based around Melbourne.

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https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ria-s-coronavirus-trends-20200709-p55ajk.html

That's extremely interesting. It looks like you're a week or so behind us in your cases going up.
 
  • #910
Yesterday's Dr. Seheult Update #98. Interesting discussion on the question of are PCR tests (~$100-$200/test) really needed in large scale at home testing vs. paper monoclonal antibody tests which are only 50% sensitive (~$1-$2/test). It goes to the increase of viral loads at onset of disease within detectable threshold within hours to positive detection for the paper tests. And at home could do quickly in 10 minutes and do serial tests daily very cheaply. Real time application e.g. for children at school or any time reduction of Rt is needed.

This type of test was brought up months ago, but was pooh poohed because of low viral load sensitivity, but now there has been an aha moment of scientists. (scientists will have to fight FDA on this due to low sensitivity as this test goes to who is infected)

Very good, no, EXCELLENT educational video, (must listen to for folks like @margarita25 etc MOO) especially MOO I think this approach is a good one they speak to and will be the science approach in the future... screenshot from 17:00 at link. They also link to a paper discussing it "Test sensitivity is secondary to frequency and turnaround time for COVID-19 surveillance"

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Super interesting.

So, essentially there are currently positive test results for people who may no longer (or may not yet) be infectious. These tests are 'gold standard', much slower turnaround, and far more expensive.

Whereas you can spit on a piece of cardboard every morning and see if you are covid infectious. Because in studies the 'paper test' appears to test postive when you are in the infectious period of having the virus.

These scientists are great! Let's do it. :)
It seems a good way to get life ticking over again.
They say the RO could drop drastically quickly if everybody did this, every day, and stayed home while they are infectious.
 
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  • #911
That's extremely interesting. It looks like you're a week or so behind us in your cases going up.

And our uptick was caused by one person (well ... it takes two to tango).
Thankfully, things seem to be starting to improve again. The lockdown should be starting to show its effects within another week - if everyone keeps on behaving.
 
  • #912
For the UK these are the only Covid tests that are authorised according to our Consumer organisation Which.

Coronavirus: can you get a home test kit for COVID-19? – Which? News

Last updated: 16 July 2020 As coronavirus testing becomes more widespread in the UK, find out what you need to know about the different types of test, how to get one, and why not to spend money on pricey private tests. Anyone in the UK displaying symptoms can now apply for an antigen test – to tell you whether you currently have COVID-19. Meanwhile, antibody tests – which tell you if you’ve previously had COVID-19 – are available to the general public, but only if you have blood taken by a healthcare professional. We don’t think they’re currently worth buying as they are expensive, and there are important limitations on what they can actually tell you. Antibody tests where you take your own blood sample with a home fingerprick test have been taken off the market while this sampling process is investigated by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). It’s important to know the difference between the two tests, what’s available and what’s legitimate, as well as the limitations of antibody testing. Read on to see all the latest advice, or use the links below to skip to certain sections: Getting tested for coronavirus What is NHS Test and Trace? Randox test kits recalled What’s happening with antibody testing? Do antibodies mean you’re immune? Can you buy an antibody test? Coronavirus news and advice from Which? – head to our hub for all the latest advice from our experts.

Read more: Coronavirus: can you get a home test kit for COVID-19? – Which? News - Which?
 
  • #913
One of Australia's top doctors has urged other countries against monopolising potential COVID-19 vaccines, saying any solution to the global pandemic needs to help every country rather than just the one that develops the drug.

"It will be really important that the vaccines will be available widely all around the world," Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Michael Kidd said today.

Top doctor urges against countries monopolising possible virus vaccine
 
  • #914
It seems to me that too many just don't get the simplest concept of this virus: put a bunch of people together in an enclosed space and people will get the virus: how hard is that to comprehend- it could be a small gathering at a home where people don't mask up or social distance: it could be a church, a casino, a bar, a restaurant- the setting itself does not matter- even a gathering of people outdoors, say on a beach where people are sitting close to each other, laughing and talking. I keep reading about deaths that involved these types of settings and yet people keep on congregating together--- most don't wear masks--- or social distance. SMH- as long as these morons keep acting in this manner the cases and deaths will rise.
 
  • #915
UK coronavirus vaccine prompts immune response in early test

“LONDON (AP) — Scientists at Oxford University say their experimental coronavirus vaccine has been shown in an early trial to prompt a protective immune response in hundreds of people who got the shot.

British researchers first began testing the vaccine in April in about 1,000 people, half of whom got the experimental vaccine. Such early trials are designed to evaluate safety and see what kind of immune response was provoked, but can’t tell if the vaccine truly protects.

In research published Monday in the journal Lancet, scientists said that they found their experimental COVID-19 vaccine produced a dual immune response in people aged 18 to 55 that lasted at least two months after they were immunized.”

Still don't know how the elderly will react to the vaccine --- that is very important.
 
  • #916
Still don't know how the elderly will react to the vaccine --- that is very important.

Or children. That is something the anti-vaxxers will worry about.
 
  • #917
Did we ever start a thread for dreams about the virus.

Because I had one today. Seems I had "someone" in my house that I came to believe was an alien, the non human kind, and they stationed themselves in the living room that my bedroom opens onto. I felt sort of trapped in there because somehow this "person" turned up and set up my sofa bed and promptly made himself at home. The nerve of him! There had been another one who had left the house and from them talking I was sure they were aliens, ie not human.

I had no proof so I thought I would "taunt" this "man" into revealing his true self.. I thought I would be brave for the sake of the world :)
I heard him talking and went out of my bedroom and he had an ipad, there was a woman talking to him. I had a beanie on and this "man" said "you've cut your hair" and I took my pony tail in my hand and swished it around and I spoke to the woman. She had just said to this "man: that he had come from far away. I said "very very far" "extremely far" I repeated it a few times and he looked really angry so I went back into my bedroom.
A few minutes later I saw the doorknob turning and the sound of the key locking, then the sound of the front door shutting. Yikes!
But anyway I can get out the window that used to be the end of the house before the extensions were added ,but of course in dreams you think maybe you are stuck in there, while these aliens do whoever knows what to the world.

I believe I dreamed this because I still feel it's unsafe to go out. And could get worse.
On the good side, it's been two days now since I ventured out to have my first outing for coffee and I feel fine :)
And my friend said the club will be starting to take temperatures of people entering. With the non touching thermometers.

Perhaps a wrong number from Chad and Lori's portals from prison trying to gather the 144,000 for tomorrow?

Day here has started well. I'm back into my garden at sunrise in the front picking flowers and making arrangements for neighbors. The daisies are doing very well, just bursting with joy they are. Yarrow (all colors!) are filling in. Lantana is attracting the bees and has filled in the space, they love this hot dry weather. Encore azaleas are starting their encore bloom! I have over 35 of them on a slope and they are gorgeous when all in sync. That is my COVID mental health update.

Oh, one more thing. I'm going out for the first time to someone's home today, and old friend and her hubby that always brings me joy to be around as they are always so upbeat and positive folks. I live in a zip with low rate.. and we are going to do only outside social distance bbq. Just the couple and myself in their outside back. Wish me luck. I will, as you know, take all precautions. Just for mental well being I accepted their invitation (they called last week and I broke down crying due to isolation since mid Feb as an old single lady... so they demanded I come over for dinner, with precautions...) I'm looking forward to it.
 
  • #918
Perhaps a wrong number from Chad and Lori's portals from prison trying to gather the 144,000 for tomorrow?

Day here has started well. I'm back into my garden at sunrise in the front picking flowers and making arrangements for neighbors. The daisies are doing very well, just bursting with joy they are. Yarrow (all colors!) are filling in. Lantana is attracting the bees and has filled in the space, they love this hot dry weather. Encore azaleas are starting their encore bloom! I have over 35 of them on a slope and they are gorgeous when all in sync. That is my COVID mental health update.

Oh, one more thing. I'm going out for the first time to someone's home today, and old friend and her hubby that always brings me joy to be around as they are always so upbeat and positive folks. I live in a zip with low rate.. and we are going to do only outside social distance bbq. Just the couple and myself in their outside back. Wish me luck. I will, as you know, take all precautions. Just for mental well being I accepted their invitation (they called last week and I broke down crying due to isolation since mid Feb as an old single lady... so they demanded I come over for dinner, with precautions...) I'm looking forward to it.

Have the best time, dixie. It sounds great. :)
 
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  • #920
And our uptick was caused by one person (well ... it takes two to tango).
Thankfully, things seem to be starting to improve again. The lockdown should be starting to show its effects within another week - if everyone keeps on behaving.

I was away from the thread when all this went down. Does someone have a quick handy link without searching too much to enlighten me? I see that there were security guards during shut down of condos that did this?

ETA: Nevermind, I did a google myself WHOA!!!! for others that may have been away from the thread.....

Australia: New Coronavirus Lockdown Melbourne Amid Sex, Lies, Quarantine Hotel Scandal

Security staff and “quarantine-hotel insiders” claim hotel guards slept with guests during quarantine the newspaper says. And that “security personnel wore personal protective equipment for up to eight hours without changing it.”

“Guards shook hands and shared lifts, some had just six hours of infection control training, some were caught sleeping on the job and quarantined families were allowed to go between rooms to play cards and games.” The revelations were first made to Melbourne newspaper the Herald Sun.

Now The Age claims that the security company at the hotbed virus hotel also provided guards for a Melbourne public housing estate–another Covid hotbed under hard lockdown since Saturday.

42 people including guards, their families and close contacts have so far been infected as a result of that outbreak, it reports. According to the paper’s sources, subcontractors for MSS Security possibly worked at the North Melbourne and Flemington public housing estates, which has a cluster of some 53 cases. The health department has refuted such links. The company has so far declined to comment.

Quarantine guards in Melbourne hotels recruited via WhatsApp

In late March, without a tender process, the Victorian Government contracted private security operators to guard hotel quarantine guests.

The companies contracted included MSS Security, which was put in charge of the Stamford Plaza, and Unified Security, which took care of Rydges on Swanston in Carlton.

7.30 has obtained a series of WhatsApp messages which reveal how some security guards were recruited to work in these Melbourne quarantine hotels.

On May 30, three days after the first hotel coronavirus outbreak at Rydges on Swanston, there was a call out for "40 guards" to do quarantine work at the hotel.

One person in the group expressed concern about "six corona positive guards in [the] Carlton hotel… so please be careful".

Quarantine hotel sex scandal linked to Australian coronavirus outbreak - CNN

Premier Daniel Andrews announced Thursday that the state government would provide $3 million to support the inquiry. He has previously said a number of cases in late May and early June could be linked to "an infection control breach in the hotel quarantine program."
Authorities have commandeered a number of hotels across the country as part of its strict border controls to control the spread of the coronavirus. Anyone who arrives in Australia must undertake a 14-day mandatory quarantine at the facilities, which are managed by the government.
Only Australian citizens and permanent residents are allowed into the country, with a few exceptions.
 
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