Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #71

[Clair Louise]

The current outbreak is from quarantine breaches, that’s in Victoria, and NSW is also having smaller outbreaks. The US Marine was in the Northern Territory where there were no current cases so it caused some panic. The military contingency coming in from the US has been reduced due to covid concerns.

Travellers from the US can’t come here at the moment, our border is closed.

I remember the initial outbreak involved quite a lot of American travelers, and the US was doing very little testing at the time. It was around the time Tom Hanks had it (he was here on the Gold Coast when diagnosed). So the numbers were showing quite low in the US while case after case here in Australia was from yet another American arrival. I remember the talk at the time was that it must be rampant in the US but no one knows it yet.

Because they were denying that it existed and were not testing.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I have added to my post. It did open up for some families to reunite and a liaison office was set up. Guard posts were taken down but stuff goes across the border. I added a link to my previous post. This link seems to say they have agreed the war is over.

Korean War to be declared officially over after 65 years

Self reporting in case this is TMI and veering into political but it may be OK if we are trying to ascertain how the virus went across the border.

That’s very different to the border being “open”. There is definitely no tourism between the North and South. No visiting family except under strict conditions which is very rare and political conceding, you can’t just go and visit an Aunt.

But yes there are plenty of ways the virus can get in, which is where the discussion came from. Lots of trade with China (both legal and illegal). Tour groups from China. The Kaesong Industrial Complex where South Koreans and North Koreans work together in a very unique set up. Officials travelling in and out, aid deliveries. Etc.

There’s a lot of hope at and for the border. A train station stands, maintained and ready and waiting, for the day trains will travel between them. You can even buy North Korean beer there. There are murals and sculptures showing the joining of the two Koreas. Thousands and thousands of ribbons with messages of peace and love left by South Koreans along the fence for those in the a north. It’s a very moving place to visit.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The current outbreak is from quarantine breaches, that’s in Victoria, and NSW is also having smaller outbreaks. The US Marine was in the Northern Territory where there were no current cases so it caused some panic. The military contingency coming in from the US has been reduced due to covid concerns.

Travellers from the US can’t come here at the moment, our border is closed.

I remember the initial outbreak involved quite a lot of American travelers, and the US was doing very little testing at the time. It was around the time Tom Hanks had it (he was here on the Gold Coast when diagnosed). So the numbers were showing quite low in the US while case after case here in Australia was from yet another American arrival. I remember the talk at the time was that it must be rampant in the US but no one knows it yet.

I was sick back in February along with a lot of other people where I work.

There is a consensus that we all had Covid-19 then and recovered from it.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was sick back in February along with a lot of other people where I work.

There is a consensus that we all had Covid-19 then and recovered from it.

And? This gives some kind of freedom to the US that it should be allowed to be spread by the US to other countries?

If that is not what you are saying, perhaps you could clarify?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And? This gives some kind of freedom to the US that it should be allowed to be spread by the US to other countries?

If that is not what you are saying, perhaps you could clarify?

I'm just saying I think it was spreading in the United States in February or maybe January of this year.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm just saying I think it was spreading in the United States in February or maybe January of this year.

Okay, thanks.

It is unfortunate then that in July a contaminated US Marine entered Australia.
And in July, the Japanese discovered that the US had active cases at the bases in Okinawa.

 

[tresir2012]

And here are many more ....


More than 20,000 American service members have contracted the coronavirus, and the infection rate in the services has tripled over the past six weeks as the United States military has emerged as a potential source of transmission both domestically and abroad, according to military and local public health officials.

At a base in Okinawa, Japan, the U.S. Marine Corps has reported nearly 100 cases .... (wow, those numbers have blown out from a couple of weeks ago)

And in war zones in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, already awash with unreported cases, U.S. troops have contended with outbreaks within their ranks.

U.S. Forces Korea has 98 positive cases, which appear to have been brought from the United States .....

“With our inability to control the virus nationally, I think we’re going to see countries that may not welcome deployments of American troops for anything but the most essential missions.”

Rise in Virus Cases Near Bases in U.S. and Abroad Poses Test for Military

I already mentioned Japan but have seen no other countries that have stated their outbreak began with US military so I consider saying that countries (plural) have been infected by the US military is a rumour. WS does not allow rumours. The US military could just have easily have been infected by Local Nationals working on their bases IMO.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Don't forget that US marine that brought it to the Northern Territory which is in Australia.

already mentioned Japan but have seen no other countries that have stated their outbreak began with US military so I consider saying that countries (plural) have been infected by the US military is a rumour. WS does not .

 

[tresir2012]

I'm just saying I think it was spreading in the United States in February or maybe January of this year.

You are correct. The first official case in the US was 22 January based on WHO and was from a returning Wuhan traveller. However, as it has since been discovered that sewage and infections indicate it was in Europe in December then it likely was in NY and Australia earlier than that IMO. Trying to blame the spread on the US military is China's excuse and is ludicrous IMO.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

All in all there are numerous countries that had the virus brought to them from the US.

 

[SouthAussie]

You have no proof of this so stop bashing US. Was the security guard from the US?

Please don't tell me how to post.

I have provided a link above where General Abrams states that the 98 cases in South Korea were brought into South Korea from the US.

I do not intend to bash the US. I am facing reality. This is happening. If you google you will find US army publications that state it, as well as other MSM that are reporting it.

I understand that the US military are trying to confine the active cases to their bases. But they are struggling as the personnel are entitled to leave, and they do not want to prevent them from going off base into the US community (when they are at home).

Then they have the issue of trying to ensure that non-infected personnel are being used for rotation in other countries.

 

[musicaljoke]

All in all there are numerous countries that had the virus brought to them from the US.

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows | National Post

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The list is growing...

 

[tresir2012]

Has anyone got a link that Australia's pandemic or the resurgence was from a US marine? Wiki clearly says it was from a Wuhan traveller and Australia are investigating the resurgence but it looks like it was from a quarantine hotel now under investigation so why are posters trying to blame the US? That's clearly incorrect.

COVID-19 pandemic in Australia - Wikipedia

Melbourne locks down tower blocks as cases rise

These two links clearly explain where and how the Australian pandemic began and continued.

And FTR this was Canada and South Korea's first WHO recorded case.

COVID-19 pandemic in Canada - Wikipedia

COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea - Wikipedia

What I am saying is don't blame other countries when it is your own controls that are not doing enough to restrict the spread. This is the same for all countries regardless.

If a country has closed it's borders, then US troops should not be allowed in anyway without pre screening and quarantine.

 

[SouthAussie]

Have you got a link that Australia's pandemic or the resurgence was from a US marine. Wiki says it was from a Wuhan traveller and Australia are investigating the resurgence but it looks like it was from a quarantine hotel now under investigation so why are posters trying to blame the US. That's clearly incorrect.

COVID-19 pandemic in Australia - Wikipedia

Melbourne locks down tower blocks as cases rise

These two links clearly explain where and how the Australian pandemic began and continued.

Perhaps you are missing the point. The concern is not that these cases have caused a resurgence. The concern is that they could cause a resurgence if not caught quickly and returned to the US and isolated.

The 20 cases at US bases in Okinawa have already blown out to 100 reported cases on those bases, in just two weeks according to the link I posted above.

I am very attached to the US ... I have family and many friends there, having lived there for 17 years. But we need to be realistic. All countries need to contain the virus within their own borders and deal with it there, if we are to have any hope of suppression.

 

[Tigerlily75]

You have no proof of this so stop bashing US. Was the security guard from the US?

Where did that come from? This is the Covid thread, it’s not personal. Surely you’re not suggesting that because a security guard did the wrong thing in Melbourne that we should just give up and not worry about trying to control the spread.

The bottom line is that US Marines travelling with COVID is a genuine and legitimate concern. That’s a reality. They’re coming from a country with a very high case count. It doesn’t mean we don’t love them! We are allies and we work together. However we are all trying to get this virus under control.

It’s the very reason we have reduced the number of Marines coming to Australia which I linked, but I’ll link it again 'We are ready': NT Health authorities reassure Territorians about coronavirus risk after US marine tests positive

BBM:

The Northern Territory's Chief Health Officer, Dr Hugh Heggie, said authorities had expected it was likely "risky" arrivals from the US could be carrying the virus before they had arrived in the country.

"Cases of coronavirus particularly in some parts of the world including the Americas is really very high so there was always going to be a risk that there would be more risk of this," he said on Friday.

"I think it is possible that this could have been acquired before they travelled but been asymptomatic and possibly even a negative test and that's the reality," Dr Heggie said.

The soldier was part of the annual Marine Rotational Forces hosted in the NT, after Australia's Defence Minister Linda Reynolds approved plans in May this year for a reduced contingent to visit the country.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

You are correct. The first official case in the US was 22 January based on WHO and was from a returning Wuhan traveller. However, as it has since been discovered that sewage and infections indicate it was in Europe in December then it likely was in NY and Australia earlier than that IMO. Trying to blame the spread on the US military is China's excuse and is ludicrous IMO.

At this point it is every man for himself. Nobody can enter or exit anywhere under the pretence of "what Pandemic?, Not now, when the whole World knows about being Asymptomatic and the importance of wearing masks. I agree, this virus should never have gotten out of China but it did. And people know it did, and people know it is invisible and people KNOW they could be spreading it unaware. People are just being ignorant and negligent in their continuous spreading of Coronavirus. It's a load of he said she said and that will continue for years. But let's not continue defending irresponsible spreaders.. these people don't care for you or me! It is not the virus fault for it getting out of control. It's the people's fault. Yet still, they continue on, living as per usual (EXCEPT FOR A PANDEMIC). You know if a person with HIV has unprotected sex and ultimately infects another, they go to jail because it is criminal. Just wear protection and stop the spread. Simple X

 

[tresir2012]

What I am saying is don't blame other countries when it is your own controls that are not doing enough to restrict the spread. This is the same for all countries regardless.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Has anyone got a link that Australia's pandemic or the resurgence was from a US marine? Wiki clearly says it was from a Wuhan traveller and Australia are investigating the resurgence but it looks like it was from a quarantine hotel now under investigation so why are posters trying to blame the US? That's clearly incorrect.

COVID-19 pandemic in Australia - Wikipedia

Melbourne locks down tower blocks as cases rise

These two links clearly explain where and how the Australian pandemic began and continued.

And FTR this was Canada and South Korea's first WHO recorded case.

COVID-19 pandemic in Canada - Wikipedia

Literally nobody said that the latest resurgence was from a US Marine.

Darwin is very far from Melbourne, and state borders are shut. There are very high risk Aboriginal populations in the Territory and they are taking every precaution to prevent it entering.

 

[tresir2012]

Erm..What essential missions are US deployments on ?

Sites containing nuclear weapons and communications/listening stations probably and or essential to Nato like Turkey IMO.