Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #71

[Victoria Chambers]

You are correct. The first official case in the US was 22 January based on WHO and was from a returning Wuhan traveller. However, as it has since been discovered that sewage and infections indicate it was in Europe in December then it likely was in NY and Australia earlier than that IMO. Trying to blame the spread on the US military is China's excuse and is ludicrous IMO.

At this point it is every man for himself. Nobody can enter or exit anywhere under the pretence of "what Pandemic?, Not now, when the whole World knows about being Asymptomatic and the importance of wearing masks. I agree, this virus should never have gotten out of China but it did. And people know it did, and people know it is invisible and people KNOW they could be spreading it unaware. People are just being ignorant and negligent in their continuous spreading of Coronavirus. It's a load of he said she said and that will continue for years. But let's not continue defending irresponsible spreaders.. these people don't care for you or me! It is not the virus fault for it getting out of control. It's the people's fault. Yet still, they continue on, living as per usual (EXCEPT FOR A PANDEMIC). You know if a person with HIV has unprotected sex and ultimately infects another, they go to jail because it is criminal. Just wear protection and stop the spread. Simple X

What I am saying is don't blame other countries when it is your own controls that are not doing enough to restrict the spread. This is the same for all countries regardless.

No I agree on authorities protecting the comings and goings in their own Countries. I also think the virus is much bigger than all the strategies in the World combined. We should no longer be depending on our Leaders to save us. We the people, know what is right and are more than capable of individually protecting ourselves at this point. It is our moral duty to take our own measures. X

 

[SouthAussie]

Sites containing nuclear weapons and communications/listening stations probably and or essential to Nato like Turkey IMO.

Is there a link about these missions? TIA

I understand that it is your opinion about them being essential.

Just wondering how much we can eliminate the need for potential covid-positive personnel travelling to other countries. Or if those countries can maybe take care of any facilities themselves for a while.

 

[tresir2012]

"With US military obviously falling sick ... as we have evidenced by US military bringing covid into our own countries and trying to cover it up. Indicating that there is perhaps rampant covid among the US-based military as well."

"This gives some kind of freedom to the US that it should be allowed to be spread by the US to other countries?"

"All in all there are numerous countries that had the virus brought to them from the US."

"The list is growing..."

"Don't forget that US marine that brought it to the Northern Territory which is in Australia."

"Because they were denying that it existed and were not testing."

These are the comments I disagree with that are insinuating US troops are infecting other countries and covering up. I have seen no links or proof of this so IMO accusations of cover ups and spread are false without such links. Yes, troops have been tested and have had positives but the countries that happened in already had the virus. If US troops in the UK tested positive I would not dream of accusing an ally, as we already have the virus here.

The one incident in the Northern Territories was detected on arrival.

"The new case brings the total number of coronavirus cases recorded in the Northern Territory to 32.

Ms Fyles said the case presented only a "very low risk" to the Northern Territory community.

"This is not someone who has been mixing in our community and this is not a case of community transmission," she said.

"This is an individual who arrived in Darwin on a charter flight, they went through the military side of Darwin airport and they have been in quarantine.

"So there is a very low risk to Territorians, but it is important for them to note that another case has been diagnosed in the Northern Territory." "

No cover up.

 

[weepingangel]

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields

more at link/ I’m sure it’s been discussed here that face shields alone may not be enough protection (imo they’re useful For eye protection and against sprays/splashes/droplets that may compromise a mask)

After a coronavirus outbreak where only those wearing plastic visors were infected, the Swiss government has said plastic shields are inadequate protection and should only be worn in combination with a face mask.

 

[tresir2012]

Is there a link about these missions? TIA

I understand that it is your opinion about them being essential.

Just wondering how much we can eliminate the need for potential covid-positive personnel travelling to other countries. Or if those countries can maybe take care of any facilities themselves for a while.

On every continent except Antartica. Link below. Yes, IMO NATO are essential in the North Atlantic.

America’s Largest Military Bases Around the World – 24/7 Wall St.

They could stop redeployment and extend existing tours if countries believed that was urgent to contain the spread. I guess that has not happened because the testing had been agreed instead. MOO again.

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields

more at link/ I’m sure it’s been discussed here that face shields alone may not be enough protection (imo they’re useful For eye protection and against sprays/splashes/droplets that may compromise a mask)

Which is likely why nursing staff and doctors wear both a shield and a mask - as well as maintaining as much distance as they can - when tending to covid patients.


"A mask is protecting your respiratory tract, whereas the shield is protecting your eyes, which can also be a portal for microorganisms," he says.
Dr Mullins also says there's not really an advantage to a face shield over a mask if you're not using them in a healthcare setting.
"If you're in an environment where people are coughing up big droplets, you should not be there — they certainly have very little benefit in stopping you inhaling things."
Can I clean my mask in the microwave?

 

[tresir2012]

Oh stoppp it! I have read posts typed by you whereby you claim to know people personally who have suffered as a result of Coronavirus.. there should be no words in your vocabulary that sound anything like "very low risk" to a community--. Taking low risks can still cost lives. NO RISK AT ALL is what the World is aiming for. You're making out like it is less of an infection when it is spread from an ally!
The 'cover-up' of bad news is a tad easier to accept than the 'defending' of what makes bad news! IMO X

I don't personally know anyone who has suffered so you must be mixing me up with another poster. I have one friend waiting for a test result, that is all I have posted about. No I am not saying the spread is any less if it is from an ally. Those troops are there by an agreement with the host nation so must abide by host nation rules.

"Very low risk" were not my words BTW I was quoting from the link I posted.

US marine tests positive for coronavirus in the Northern Territory

It was stated by the NT Health Minister.

 

[beatrixpotter]

The geometry of the pandemic in America
The Economist has had some good coverage this week on COVID including this piece where they explain how the U.S. re-opened much earlier on the curve than Western Europe.
Anecdotally, I went to the beach today and saw very few masks. I was the object of a few snickers and giggles when I sat in my beach chair fully masked......and those were from just my spouse and kids.

LOL Thanks for the laugh. I need a laugh reading all this this morning. We just officially canceled our much loved and anticipated family beach trip this fall. Three families in one house. Not a great idea.

 

[SouthAussie]

LOL Thanks for the laugh. I need a laugh reading all this this morning. We just officially canceled our much loved and anticipated family beach trip this fall. Three families in one house. Not a great idea.

Sorry, beatrix. I am sure I can speak for us all when I say we didn't intend to make anyone here feel uncomfortable. Apologies.

Sorry to hear about your cancelled trip. Understandably you are doing the right thing.

 

[beatrixpotter]

"COVID fatigue" is hitting hard. Fighting it is hard, too, says UC Davis Health psychologist

We’re tired of being cooped up, tired of being careful, tired of being scared. Our collective fatigue is making some people careless – one reason COVID-19 is rising sharply again in California and throughout the U.S.”

This article did a great job of describing what we are dealing with as well as sharing good coping strategies. I'm definitely feeling a lot of covid fatigue right now. I handle it by growing and canning ridiculous amounts of food right now.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Sorry, beatrix. I am sure I can speak for us all when I say we didn't intend to make anyone here feel uncomfortable. Apologies.

Sorry to hear about your cancelled trip. Understandably you are doing the right thing.

I'm confused. Why did you think you needed to apologize? I'm sure no apologies are necessary. I'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning and maybe that's why I don't understand?

I was just laughing about Spider saying people laughed at him/her for wearing a mask at the beach and then revealing it was actually family members laughing.

 

[oviedo]

Florida coronavirus:12,000 new COVID-19 cases
- 414,511 cases in Florida
- 5,777 deaths in Florida
- 71,051 cases in Central Florida
- Universal Orlando cancels Halloween Horror Nights
- President Trump says Florida component of GOP convention canceled
- 9-year-old becomes youngest to die of COVID-19 in Florida
- Florida governor believes state will soon contain outbreak
- Interactive map shows ICU bed availability in Florida
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sigh

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm confused. Why did you think you needed to apologize? I'm sure no apologies are necessary. I'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning and maybe that's why I don't understand?

I was just laughing about Spider saying people laughed at him/her for wearing a mask at the beach and then revealing it was actually family members laughing.

Lol. Well it is getting later at night here now, so that's my excuse for confusing you.

 

[tresir2012]

It’s rare, but it happens

'I realised that I was deceived': Meet the North Korean defectors desperate to get home

A few years ago I visited the DMZ and it’s fascinating. Kaesong in North Korea hosts the Kaesong Industrial Complex and South Koreans enter North Korea everyday to work there. They work alongside North Koreans but are not allowed to talk to each other.

What is the Kaesong Industrial Complex?

Could they infect each other though?

 

[Trino]

This color-coded chart will help you decide when to leave the house during the pandemic

Thanks. Interesting that getting a haircut is a greater risk than going to a dentist.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Could they infect each other though?

At the Kaesong Complex? I think it’s closed due to covid, but otherwise I don’t know what shared spaces they have or how closely they work. They close things down pretty quickly. I was in Seoul during the MERS outbreak and I remember the JSA was closed when I was supposed to visit. I think it’s the border with China that’s a concern as far as infection goes. It’s not as uncommon as one might think that people cross back and forth, legally and illegally. There is trade and tourism from China.

See ways people connect across North Korea's frontier with China

As to whether North Korea has had any cases before this first reported case is unknown. If you search for articles about North Korea and covid, consensus seems to be most likely they have. Confirming their “first” case could be a signal they need help. Aid has also been sent previously, test kits, PPE etc. This is from mid-March: Who Knows How Many Virus Cases North Korea Has. It Says Zero

moo

 

[Trino]

This article did a great job of describing what we are dealing with as well as sharing good coping strategies. I'm definitely feeling a lot of covid fatigue right now. I handle it by growing and canning ridiculous amounts of food right now.

When I think of how awful it is to not go out and do/see/experience things we once did, it's helpful to share feelings with my husband. We talk about it, then consider the alternatives of permanent survivor problems and/or death. Right now our activities include biking, hiking/walking, grocery shopping, sometimes a hardware box store, sometimes grandchildren who stay at home. Masks always. It's boring not to be able to do previous things, but, again, considering what might be...

 

[CSIDreamer]

At the Kaesong Complex? I think it’s closed due to covid, but otherwise I don’t know what shared spaces they have or how closely they work. They close things down pretty quickly. I was in Seoul during the MERS outbreak and I remember the JSA was closed when I was supposed to visit. I think it’s the border with China that’s a concern as far as infection goes. It’s not as uncommon as one might think that people cross back and forth, legally and illegally. There is trade and tourism from China.

See ways people connect across North Korea's frontier with China

As to whether North Korea has had any cases before this first reported case is unknown. If you search for articles about North Korea and covid, consensus seems to be most likely they have. Confirming their “first” case could be a signal they need help. Aid has also been sent previously, test kits, PPE etc. This is from mid-March: Who Knows How Many Virus Cases North Korea Has. It Says Zero

moo

It's convenient for them to blame an "outsider" for their "first" case, though. Jmo

I've wondered about the truth there, too.

 

[tresir2012]

Westminster Abbey 'dealt shattering blow'

Westminster Abbey is losing 1,000 paying visitors per day. It is £16 entry fee so that is a lot they are losing.

From the link,

"Westminster Abbey is down more than £12m this year and is set to make about 20% of its staff redundant as a result of the coronavirus lockdown.

More than 90% of its income comes from visitors paying an entrance fee.

It closed its doors on 20 March and only began to reopen for limited tourist visits on 11 July.

Separately, the Church of England's 42 cathedrals are projected to be down more than £28.4m on what they thought their budgets would be this year.

They are projected to lose another £15.5m next year.

'Breathtaking' loss
The Association of English Cathedrals, which represents Westminster Abbey and the Church of England's 42 cathedrals, warned job cuts would hit churches around the country when the government's job retention scheme ends in October.

The dean of Westminster Abbey, the Very Rev Dr David Hoyle, told the BBC the virus had dealt a "shattering blow" to the Abbey's finances.

Financial reserves would be depleted by a third from September, he said, and would continue to fall as visitor numbers were not expected to return to pre-pandemic levels for up to five years. "

Here's a link how you can get in for free though.

Top 10 free things in London

 

[Tippy Lynn]

All in all there are numerous countries that had the virus brought to them from the US.

Don’t forget the virus started in China and has since spread like a wild fire throughout the world.