Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #72

[10ofRods]

And yet, how infuriating to read that the very same person who initiated the get-together and claims he feels “overwhelming guilt” (saying that he does not “think that people are really paying enough attention to the safety protocols and to the things they can do to protect themselves a little better”) ALSO says “he is uncertain whether staying at least 6 feet from other people who are not from your household in both indoor and outdoor spaces is effective in reducing the spread of the virus, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said.”
See this dispiriting quote from Mr. Green: "I just didn't see that six feet apart makes a difference because of the distance germs can travel," he said. "I’m still not 100 percent sure that it does."

Cognitive dissonance much?

Major disconnect in his brain, still. 6 feet is enough - with a mask - and sunglasses - and outdoors.

But that's not what they did. They just decided to have a get together. It's very tempting. Lots of baby showers and bridal showers resuming. Family reunions right and left. People traveling outside their own towns in order to stay in motels, eat in restaurants, all without masks.

Sigh. 6 feet is not enough if someone is shedding virus, especially indoors. Almost no one leaves their mask on during a family party that includes food and drink.

This is why every single person who is out of their own home (working, for example) needs to regard themselves as infected for 10 days per exposure. Someone in this scenario didn't do that. Now one beloved person is dead, another has only about a 20% chance of surviving the ventilator (or less), the hospital workers are overwhelmed - all because those social moments are so important to us.

Sure, I'm depressed at not getting to see/care for my granddaughter. I've been her primary "sitter" for 6 years, but her parents are essential workers. It's very very hard and very sad, and I'm not happy that I have to wait even longer to have a hug...because other people think their own social needs are so important.

But, it's America and we're incapable of all doing the same right thing at a time. If only, back in March, we had really shut down.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What does your doctor say?
Ill make sure to get my teenager the flu shot this year. Missed last year /at school. I get one at work. Don’t think dh does. Might want to mention that (note to self)

My husband never gets one. COVID has made him finally understand that it's not just himself he should be getting it for, but to protect the vulnerable around him. It's also about who he can give the flu to if he gets it.

 

[neesaki]

My thoughts exactly.

Dr. Tedros and company have talked about this since very early on. In fact, iirc, they even mentioned a vaccine that was developed for Ebola which later turned out to be harmful.

I would like to see a global list of the vaccines in trial, and what phases they are in.

There were also some Polio vaccines that ended up causing polio and being deadly.

 

[ilovewings]

Some very informative stuff, updating on recent studies regarding mask usage.

Face Masks Really Do Matter. The Scientific Evidence Is Growing.

i think a huge mistake has been the CDC and the WHO suggesting wearing a mask
only protects others- i have never believed that and now they are saying mask can
protect the person wearing the mask--- so many bad messages from CDC and
the WHO--- the message should have always been protect yourself--people
care a lot more about themselves, than about others

 

[Clair Louise]

THIS is the major upcoming peril!

If 11 million households are evicted (some say it will be more), then family health declines. It's really hard to remember all the virus protections if you're living in a car with 2-3 other people. Inability to get good sleep, constant worry, lack of food - and lack of housing - makes people drive as far as they can toward a place where at least they won't freeze to death at night. In the 2008 recession, SoCal saw a lot of new arrivals. People thought they could sleep in their cars on city streets - which they can, because there's not much enforcement, but very quickly the issues with bathrooms arose. WalMart doesn't allow much "camping" in its lots any more (no where in the more temperate parts of California).

People would pass through our neighborhood, sleep in the grocery store parking lot for a couple of nights, the grocer would eventually lock their bathroom except for paying customers (an inconvenience for all). The gas stations near me absolutely do not allow non-customers to have the key. So people were going down into ravines and pooping/peeing in the water that runs to the ocean. No bueno. In L.A., people on the westside got pretty aggro about turning these newcomers in to police or making it hard for them to sleep/stay.

It is awful. If 11 million working people who did their level best to stay housed are now evicted, I call that a kind of sin (on the part of a society that lets it happen).

The quality of life for all of us is about to decline. We don't know where that will go. I just know that come winter, the homeless in cold states will head to the Southwest (and to Portland and Seattle). And eso many young adults out of work, foot loose, and without anything to lose by living an underground life.

My daughter and son in law have two rental properties. One is rented to a couple who worked all through the crisis and the other is rented to a couple who both lost their jobs. They have let the jobless live without paying rent because they reasoned that if they evict them, it will sit there empty with no rent and the tenants always paid on time and were no trouble, unlike some others they have had.

 

[Yvettea]

Almost no one considers themselves infected unless they test positive. Maybe if they know they’ve been exposed but not so much if they suspect they may have been exposed. IMHO

 

[Clair Louise]

i think a huge mistake has been the CDC and the WHO suggesting wearing a mask
only protects others- i have never believed that and now they are saying mask can
protect the person wearing the mask--- so many bad messages from CDC and
the WHO--- the message should have always been protect yourself--people
care a lot more about themselves, than about others

I think a lot of that was to protect the line of supply for health workers. I know in the UK, hospital workers were going to hardware stores for masks because they could not get any.

 

[musicaljoke]

CDC, pneumococcal vaccines
Adult Vaccines

Update on the use of pneumococcal vaccines in adults 65 years of age and older – A Public Health Perspective - Canada.ca

That certainly is a thorough review of pneumococcal vaccines!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Probably can just increase the intake of oranges and other natural sources of Vit C. Sources that the body can deal with.

So many of our health supplements and medications have other cr*p in them that can build up and harm the liver and/or other organs eventually.

It is not as if these supplements and medications are pure Vitamin C or whatever. When I asked a pharmacist one time what pills are made of ... "excipients" .... unnamed additives and substances that help to hold the pill together.

I did nothing but harm myself with immune boosters and some vitamins. First off, Vit C is terrible for my interstitial cystitis. Second, I didn't know I had an autoimmune disease and that the last thing I needed was to be boosting my already overactive immune response. I also took a prescription D for too long and suffered some pretty ugly skin issues. I am now much more careful about what I take. We think of vitamins as completely harmless and natural when they really aren't. I do take a couple of things now, but only after careful consideration with my doctor and research on my part.

 

[neesaki]

The demise of US textiles was a result of cheap imports, overseas labor, big-box retailers and U.S. trade policy. JMO

Yes, remember when there were all the furniture outlets / stores in South Carolina? People would go there to get furniture at a discount. It was manufactured there for years and years.

Then, kaput. What happened? Greed and China took over. Sold out. Shame on them.
Like to know what I think about China ? Ok...... well..... perhaps it would be best to not come right out with it. But please feel free to read my mind.

 

[Clair Louise]

Then, kaput. What happened? Greed and China took over. Sold out. Shame on them.
Like to know what I think about China ? Ok...... well..... perhaps it would be best to not come right out with it. But please feel free to read my mind.

I am not sure that you can blame China. If American companies chose to take their manufacturing to China for more profits, is it China's fault?

 

[neesaki]

Those India-produced pills .....

"Much of the contents of your medicine cabinet can be traced back to Chinese ingredients processed into pills in India. Thanks to the coronavirus, much of Chinese industry remains shut down. The potential ramifications of that for pharmaceuticals are now becoming clear."
If Coronavirus-Stricken China Can’t Export Medicine, the World Is in Trouble
The Wall Street Journal - March 5, 2020


Also, purity does not necessarily mean no adverse reactions or longterm effects. That depends on your own sensitivities, from my understanding.
Pharmaceutical excipients – where do we begin?

I am not an anti-vaxxer or anti-medication person. I have just looked at this a lot because my own doctor tries to steer us towards better diet and lifestyle first, meds and supplements later ... unless absolutely necessary of course.

I find that the US is very big-pharma driven for the most part. I asked a US friend, why are you prescribed cholesterol lowering medicine? "Oh, because I want to keep overeating all the stuff that I like."

But I am getting O/T, other than my concern about a rushed covid vac, so I will stop here.

O/T or not, I have a cousin who is a physician who developed liver failure as a result of a cholesterol lowering drug. And he’s a purist, does not drink alcohol. Out of the blue. Big Pharma is a scourge on this country, that needs to be seriously reigned in. IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'd be willing to not see anyone at all for a year if it's going to lead to coming out of this with more people going on to lead a happy and illness free life and the virus to no longer be such a big threat.
It's not just all about me and my needs. We're all connected and have the ability to make a change for the better .

The whole community, family, friends and strangers, and the world are all in our own hands.

 

[mickey2942]

Future losses causing deep concerns among NBA team owners

I hope that these teams do not get one dime of any government program. They already get tons of concessions and benefits from tax dollars.

My personal opinion is that it is time for people who make $25 million a year playing basketball to take a pay cut. Welcome to the new "Covid" reality.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Getting the flu shot originally was to protect myself.
But I came to realise there was a very big bonus in that my having the flu shot helped protect others as well.
I can understand those people who never get sick not wanting to get the shot though.
To others like me who got one flu after another, the flu shot was a like a miracle and changed their life for the better.
I've been doing the hand sanitising thing for years since we had a very bad flu year here with even babies, children and really people of all ages dying.
Before that, stupidly, I didn't realise that people could actually die from it, it was an eyeopener that awful flu year.
That's when I went out and bought a bottle of a hand sanitiser that I had received a sample of, and used it whenever I was going to be in contact with people, back then like now it was elderly people mostly, including one older friend with medical problems.

My husband never gets one. COVID has made him finally understand that it's not just himself he should be getting it for, but to protect the vulnerable around him. It's also about who he can give the flu to if he gets it.

 

[Clair Louise]

O/T or not, I have a cousin who is a physician who developed liver failure as a result of a cholesterol lowering drug. And he’s a purist, does not drink alcohol. Out of the blue. Big Pharma is a scourge on this country, that needs to be seriously reigned in. IMO

I have a friend who developed liver failure by taking her first dose of Nurofen. Anyone can have an adverse reaction, to what it essentially a non natural chemical.

 

[Tadpole12]

I'd be willing to not see anyone at all for a year if it's going to lead to coming out of this with more people going on to lead a happy and illness free life and the virus to no longer be such a big threat.
It's not just all about me and my needs. We're all connected and have the ability to make a change for the better .

The whole communiity, family, friends and strangers, and the world are all in our own hands.

My mom was watching BBC news which can be a bit of a downer but always incredibly informative ...
Anyway I said to her wrt covid disruption of normality
It's like we've done one semester and perhaps just 2 to go.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Getting the flu shot originally was to protect myself.
But I came to realise there was a very big bonus in that my having the flu shot helped protect others as well.
I can understand those people who never get sick not wanting to get the shot though.
To others like me who got one flu after another, the flu shot was a like a miracle and changed their life for the better.
I've been doing the hand sanitising thing for years since we had a very bad flu year here with even babies, children and really people of all ages dying.
Before that, stupidly, I didn't realise that people could actually die from it, it was an eyeopener that awful flu year.
That's when I went out and bought a bottle of a hand sanitiser that I had received a sample of, and used it whenever I was going to be in contact with people, back then like now it was elderly people mostly, including one older friend with medical problems.

The problem is if you are asymptotic you may believe you never get the flu while passing it to vulnerable people the entire time.

 

[10ofRods]

My daughter and son in law have two rental properties. One is rented to a couple who worked all through the crisis and the other is rented to a couple who both lost their jobs. They have let the jobless live without paying rent because they reasoned that if they evict them, it will sit there empty with no rent and the tenants always paid on time and were no trouble, unlike some others they have had.

They are good people. I rent out my dad’s little house and would do the same (not expect rent - nor would it be easy to find new tenants nor do I want new tenants).

 

[MuddyTires]

Latest CDC numbers on the rate of deaths with COVID-19 per population as of July 27, 2020 set forth below.

Note that the CDC reports counts for New York City and New York state separately, so data for New York State shows deaths for the State excluding data for NYC.

The numbers continue to show how much worse the New York City metro area has been compared to the rest of the country.

The rate for New York City continues to possibly be the worst death rate for any location in the world. New York City's death rate is:

more than 8 times the death rate of Georgia--which started opening back up 3 months ago;

more than 20 times the death rate of South Dakota--which never really closed;

more than 10 times the death rate in Florida, which has been called a COVID hot spot since all the way back to mid-June;

more than 15 times the death rate in Texas, another state that has been called a hot spot since all the way back to mid-June; and

about 6 times the death rate in Arizona, which was called “the new national hotspot for COVID-19” back on June 14th.

The greater NYC metro region including NJ, CT, MA, and RI continues to be way way out ahead of everywhere else in the country in deaths per population.

State/Territory Death Rate per 100,000

Disaster Spot
New York City* 279.8

Disaster Spot’s Little Brother
New Jersey 177.2

Awful Spots
Massachusetts 123.6
Connecticut 123.5
Rhode Island 94.8

Really Bad Spots
District of Columbia 82.7
Louisiana 80.8
New York* 78.5

Bad Spots
Michigan 64.1
Delaware 59.9
Illinois 59.6
Maryland 57.0
Pennsylvania 55.6

Borderline Spots
Mississippi 50.1
Arizona 46.2
Indiana 43.4

Good Spots
Georgia 33.3
Colorado 31.5
New Hampshire 30.2
Alabama 30.1
New Mexico 29.3
South Carolina 29.4
Minnesota 28.8
Ohio 28.3
Florida 27.5
Iowa 26.2
Nevada 25.0
Virginia 24.4
California 21.3
Washington 19.9
Missouri 19.5
Texas 17.6
North Carolina 17.2
Nebraska 16.4
Kentucky 15.7
Wisconsin 15.5
Tennessee 14.3
South Dakota 13.9
Arkansas 13.3
North Dakota 13.0
Oklahoma 12.6
Kansas 11.2
Vermont 8.9
Maine 8.9
Utah 8.7
Idaho 8.3
Oregon 6.9
Virgin Islands 6.7
Puerto Rico 6.3
West Virginia 5.7
Montana 4.4
Wyoming 4.3
N Mariana Isls 3.5
Guam 3.0
Alaska 2.7
Hawaii 1.8

CDC COVID Data Tracker