Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #72

[enelram]

People test positive for the coronavirus. Not COVID19. Right? Did the dog have COVID?

Yes the dog got it from his owner who tested positive.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

David Frum @davidfrum Jul 29, 2020

City of Toronto and state of Mississippi have about same population: 2.8 mn vs 2.9 million.

On July 27, Toronto reported 1 COVID case. That same day, Mississippi reported 1,342 cases and 42 deaths.

the comparisons with Canada and the US are both informative and startling. Keep that border closed!

 

[jjenny]

Yes the dog got it from his owner who tested positive.

Buddy also had cancer. So healthy dogs are likely in no danger of dying.

 

[weepingangel]

Yah. I’m not even gonna read that link. And didn’t even think of dogs being used to sniff being at risk

oh no!!! RIP Buddy---

 

[SoCalDavidS]

It won't be an excuse . . . it will be proof that Florida is doing SO MUCH BETTER!

Good News!! It's "Stabilizing" at around 10,000 New Cases & 250 Deaths per day. SUCCESS!!

 

[Tadpole12]

Here is a YouTube link of this mornings news:

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I'm just gobsmacked by this news segment.

Victoria
"The military will go door to door to contact each and every person that has tested positive for Covid-19,"

ETA New South Whales, Marshals in gyms.

 

[Sundog]

How about this? How about if a recently retired chemist and physician agrees with DeWine? Are they incapable of understanding the pandemic and science with all of us here? I tend to agree with them and DeWine. Do you think that DeWine isn't receiving recommendations from the Ohio Health Department and many physicians? DeWine is my governor and I'm proud of how he's handled COVID in my state. Please stop badmouthing him. Your opinion of him is not a fact. JMO.

I agree with you 100%. Governor DeWine is doing the right thing. He is setting up a review team of experts and all along he has been making decisions that are based on facts and the science, and what is best for the people of Ohio. He has been, and continues to be, one of the strongest leaders in the country at the gubernatorial level. He continues to consult with experts, and isn't afraid to take on the tough issues that we face during this pandemic. He is doing a great job.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I respectfully suggest that we don't need any more "opinions" by people who have zero real world experience in education, epidemiology, virology, or other qualitative medical and educational education and experience.

Although, it is interesting that Mr. Gates agrees with President Trump and Secretary DeVos on this issue. None of whom have either educational or medical backgrounds.

Here is an example of a reasonable, flexible plan...it is not "just open schools". It is 32 pages long. This is the type of thoughtful, defined plan to meet the needs of children.
https://jordandistrict.org/2020/07/school-reopening-plan/amp

But I would never accuse Bill Gates of not having any plans. Betsy DeVos says she has no plan, and neither does the rest of the administration. That is the difference, imo. Gates' experience is worldwide, so his slant towards education probably is influenced for "the better good for humanity", it would not be based on the economic angles that come from T and governors like DeSantis. IF we had listened to Gates from the beginning..... we would be in a totally different environment.

 

[weepingangel]

It was hard watching our beds/icu beds/death numbers.
when the patient numbers went down and available beds went up. During the thick of it , It wasn’t necessarily a good thing.

Using what metric? They are getting better at moving bodies out of ICU to the portable morgue to free up bed space?

 

[Sundog]

Calabrese said doctors were hopeful as recently as five days before his death that Cain would make a recovery. However, because Cain previously beat liver cancer, he was considered at high-risk for complications related to COVID-19.

It remained unclear Thursday how Cain contracted a coronavirus infection. The radio host, who traveled frequently, attended President Donald Trump’s rally on June 20 in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

WHIO | Dayton News, Weather & Traffic

I'm just so sad.

Me, too. Deeply saddened by the loss of Mr. Cain. He was always so upbeat and positive. A great loss to our country. I am also sad for his dedicated and hard working staff for their loss. Especially now that they are mourning while at the same time bracing for the cruelty that has already started online. May he rest in peace, faithful and devoted servant.

 

[MrX]

Yes, many of us Floridians are utterly disgusted
with our governor.
He's become the common politician who promotes what's good for the economy over the safety of residents. He's angling to re-open all
bars and schools despite many health officials warning him otherwise. His own 3 children are
too young for public schools so it doesn't affect him but back when this virus first hit, many daycares closed due to parents keeping kids home and DeSantis came on TV begging the daycares to re-open cause his wife was going
batty w/ 3 kids under 3. And employees couldn't go to work if they had no daycare. To heck with safety.

What are things like out in public? Are people terrified and staying 20 feet apart, or are they going about like everything is normal? Are there ambulances everywhere? In AZ we were in the national (and international) spotlight for a while, but everything seemed very normal around town. About the only reminder that anything is different is that at least once, in every parking lot, I hear someone saying "oh, <blank>, I forgot a mask," as they trudge back their vehicle. It's a very strange disconnect between what I read and what I see, and wonder if it's like that everywhere.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Thanks m, just not working for me, but had look at another page,
Board Approved Reopening Plan | Jordan School District

Utah, right?

 

[tresir2012]

Rt COVID-19

California, Texas, Florida, Arizona and Ohio are all below R0 and join NY. Seems to be more states green now (below R0).

That's good right?

 

[Tadpole12]

COVID-19 DOGS COULD BE SNIFFING OUT CASES IN MONTHS

University of Adelaide researchers are working with international partners to train sniffer dogs to detect COVID-19 infection.

It is hoped the first COVID-19 detection dogs could be working within months, and would complement existing methods by providing low cost, instantaneous and reliable screening.

Dogs could be deployed in airports and also be used to screen staff in hospitals and travellers in quarantine.

Previous research has shown dogs can detect the presence of specific Volatile Olfactory Compounds (VOCs) caused by a viral infection in people.

COVID-19 dogs could be sniffing out cases in months

"According to recent studies, dogs are not susceptible to SARS-CoV2 and the virus cannot replicate in them.

COVID-19 dog detectors will be reliable, repeatable, cheap, easy, and a fast way to screen or pre-screen potential cases.

This tool will become crucial when borders reopen or if we face another wave." - Dr Shaber

 

[nhmemorymaker]

What are things like out in public? Are people terrified and staying 20 feet apart, or are they going about like everything is normal? Are there ambulances everywhere? In AZ we were in the national (and international) spotlight for a while, but everything seemed very normal around town. About the only reminder that anything is different is that at least once, in every parking lot, I hear someone saying "oh, <blank>, I forgot a mask," as they trudge back their vehicle. It's a very strange disconnect between what I read and what I see, and wonder if it's like that everywhere.

I see a lot of folks try to enter stores with no mask, be turned away and express themselves rudely. That is very common. Lots of stories of small business workers having to deal with aggressive and mean folks , and many have police standing outside as well.

And then there are a few cases where someone was able to video the chaos and their videos go viral.

One case in Jax, had a woman who had just finished her chemo treatment, who started to video a very aggressive woman giving store folks a very hard time in a box store........ the woman came over and spit on her. Now that was a big shaming episode!

 

[Alice253]

Thanks for sharing the uneducated/political governors and folks that are incapable of understanding the pandemic and science with all of us here! They need to have the sun shone on them for their incapacity to lead and understand this pandemic, and lean on those they have in their circle to explain the basic science.

It's so scary how many folks in leadership are now being highlighted, as you continue to do, as to their total lack of intelligence on this matter.

MOO

Well, here's another to add to that list. The governor of my state. MOO
Tennessee governor rejects coronavirus task force advice to close bars, mandate masks

 

[MrX]

Rt COVID-19

California, Texas, Florida, Arizona and Ohio are all below R0 and join NY. Seems to be more states green now (below R0).

That's good right?

Yes - that's what we want. Governor Ducey's weekly presser is today and it's always a nail biter. His presentation skills can be vexing so it's like I'm constantly waiting for the other shoe to fall.

 

[gitana1]

The blame game and pointing fingers has become the main topic surrounding the pandemic. We’re all better than this.
IMO, we all need to be accountable for our own actions and health. Stay up to date on facts, have a healthcare team that you trust and make the best decisions you can under the circumstances.

But a huge part of being able to be accountable for our own actions and health and to stay up to date on facts is having those facts and not having information be politicized.

And public health is rarely dependent on personal accountability. Public health is guaranteed by sound policies and laws implemented that encourage or compel people to follow safe/sanitary practices.

Without such sound policies and laws we have had:

1. Legal child abuse.
2. Deaths on the road due to no drunk driving laws.
3. Deaths due to no seatbelt or child car seat laws.
4. Child labor.
5. Horrifically dangerous workplace conditions in factories.
6. Unsanitary conditions in meat packing plants and other food-related industries.
7. No mandated accurate labeling of food ingredients.
8. Legal dumping of chemicals in water ways and around residences.
9. No poison warnings on dangerous household chemicals.
10. Playgrounds with hard packed surfaces and super high slides (I loved those, BTW).
11. Dams that are allowed to crack and fall into disrepair, causing the deaths of thousands and destruction of entire towns.

Etc. etc.

Respectfully, to suggest that public health and safety should be dependent on individual, personal accountability seems shortsighted to me, and somewhat naive about human nature and how hard it is to get all humans to take care of themselves and protect one another. Not always due to selfishness or greed but also simply ignorance. (And I don’t mean stupidity).

I will give you a case in point about such ignorance.

I was persuaded to some degree, in the past, by anti-vaxxer arguments and anecdote. I watched a bunch of videos of parents showing kids before and after vaccines and how their autism suddenly appeared. It impacts me. But I remember a poster telling me “you’re not understanding the difference between anecdote and scientific research”.

I argued that I understood the difference but there was so much anectodal evidence.

The poster was patient with me and polite but I remained convinced that there could be some connection between autism and vaccines due to possibly constant triggering of small bodies’ immune systems.

But then I read the research as the poster suggested. And kept reading it. It was a lot. Tons of studies. I looked up the authors of the studies to see if there could be any influence. I did my work, expecting to find at least some evidence that vaccines could cause autism.

I was wrong. I had been ignorant. I’m not stupid. I just didn’t have the information necessary to understanding the issue. It’s a good thing I didn’t have little kids who could’ve been affected, at the time I was buying into the anti-vaxxer argument.

How many people are going to spend hours, days, researching an issue? Should public health be dependent on the wisdom of people in their 20’s who are focused on school, establishing a career and socializing? Or people in their 30’s exhausted from raising kids and working their tails off? How about older people who like to play bingo and square dance and talk about their health problems? Should public health be dependent on their personal accountability?

How many Americans are going to be able to do the work necessary to understanding the complexities of health and safety without serious government guidance?

When my health and welfare is dependent on the actions of those around me, I don’t want to leave it up to individualism. I want sound policies guiding the public.

 

[musicaljoke]

When my Dad thought he was dying his final lucid words to me were "be good." He, God willing, will be 92 in a few weeks. His advice still seems sound.

Your dad was very wise. I believe that 99% of the world's problems could be solved if all of us were truly good.

 

[Knitty]

What are things like out in public? Are people terrified and staying 20 feet apart, or are they going about like everything is normal? Are there ambulances everywhere? In AZ we were in the national (and international) spotlight for a while, but everything seemed very normal around town. About the only reminder that anything is different is that at least once, in every parking lot, I hear someone saying "oh, <blank>, I forgot a mask," as they trudge back their vehicle. It's a very strange disconnect between what I read and what I see, and wonder if it's like that everywhere.

In my part of Florida . . . Of course people aren't visibly terrified. Of course, people aren't staying 20 feet apart at the grocery store. More like 6. Of course there aren't ambulances everywhere, because COVID-19 isn't a cartoon villian that is killing people in the streets, and most people who are sick are staying home, and most who are so sick they need a hospital can nevertheless get themselves there . . . though I have seen ambulances in my neighborhood.

I can tell who is local and who is tourist, because the vast, vast majority of people are wearing masks, and those who aren't are sunburned and buying beer.

Restaurants are open for business and some are eating in. Most are doing a brisk takeout business and many are still advertising curbside. A Nextdoor poll from last week indicated about 20% of people are dining in, 30% are only eating at home and the rest are getting takeout or curbside sometimes. I'm happy for you that you feel like you're safe to go about your business as you please. Millions of us don't.