Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #72

[musicaljoke]

That's interesting about cars spaced in parking lots. I haven't seen that.

It might be a northern thing. We normally cram in as close to the doors as possible, 'cause who wants to push a shopping cart of groceries through the ice and snow to their car. But that practice has stopped. Maybe we don't want our cars catching anything.

 

[margarita25]

Florida couple jailed for breaking COVID-19 quarantine

 

[MrX]

Do you have a link about the Vitamin D supplementation? I take 5000iu daily of D3. But would like to read up on it. TIA

Vitamin D Myths 'D'-bunked

 

[gitana1]

No problem. Since remdesivir is now only available through a good relationship with the Federal Government (IOW, while it was invented in California - we don't have much of it), there's good news about several other anti-virals and third phase of clinical trials going on, regarding the effectiveness of zinc as well:

New Antiviral Drugs for Treatment of COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

Dexmethasone has been a game changer. So, for those of us worried about getting CoVid or who are at higher risk for severe CoVid if we get it, it's good to be able to tell a doctor whether you have allergies to steroids (unlikely).

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2021436

Me, I'd want heparin (past history of blood clotting already), one of the above anti-virals and the steroid (plus zinc and intravenous Vitamin C seems to be viable for some). If I were to be put into the hospital, that is.

If everyone here started Vitamin D supplementation in March (at 6000-10000 IU), by now no one should be particularly deficient in it. Or at least, blood levels should not be practically on empty. It can take up to a year to get to high normal levels of Vitamin D via supplementation, so we all need to keep it up (forever, perhaps lowering the dose over time, but BMI is a factor too, so be sure to take enough for your size; a 200 pound person should take 10,000IU according to one Vitamin D researcher).

The best thing to do, of course, is to avoid getting it in the first place, if you're over 50-55.

I take Alvesco which is from the same class of medicine as dexmethasone and has also been studied in some trials. But I assume the people being treated with that did not have asthma.

I’ve also been supplementing with D3 for over a year.

I was taking mega doses of Curcumin with piperin. (The active chemical in turmeric, with black pepper that makes it work better) for inflammation related to running. But it’s hard on my stomach. Causes acid.

 

[slowpoke]

Buddy also had cancer. So healthy dogs are likely in no danger of dying.

That makes sense, but from the Nat Geo article it’s not certain:

The Mahoneys didn’t learn that lymphoma was being considered as the probable cause of his symptoms until the day of his death, they say, when additional bloodwork results confirmed it. It’s unclear whether cancer made him more susceptible to contracting the coronavirus, or if the virus made him ill, or if it was just a case of coincidental timing.

Exclusive: Buddy, first dog to test positive for COVID-19 in the U.S., has died

 

[10ofRods]

I know someone who emailed all of his business contacts saying if they required him to wear a mask he would no longer do business with them. Go figure. SMH

And of course, there are people who are avoiding any business with people who don't wear masks. Over on TripAdvisor, threads are full of people who end up calling businesses several times in order to totally and thoroughly figure out what their safety practices are.

As @gitana1 said, it's better if there's public policy here. Not individual compliance. There'd be way less rudeness if there was just a nation-wide policy, enforced in several ways, and we were past the mask issue.

Will we ever get past the mask issue in the US?

Hopefully, most businesses will look at the polls and become aware that the non-maskers are in the minority (20-35% depending on the polling instrument). Plus, hopefully, the business cares about its own workers.

At any rate, among the young people I know, it's 90% want masks and they are dropping gym memberships (etc) if it's not enforced. Many people are working out from home and are starting to develop new exercise habits that don't involve spending money - which is good, because we have a long row to hoe, economically, just ahead of us. Prices on things are going up.

Of course, where I live, the State has mandated we close gyms (again) along with hair salons, etc.

 

[10ofRods]

I take Alvesco which is from the same class of medicine as dexmethasone and has also been studied in some trials. But I assume the people being treated with that did not have asthma.

I’ve also been supplementing with D3 for over a year.

I was taking mega doses of Curcumin with piperin. (The active chemical in turmeric, with black pepper that makes it work better) for inflammation related to running. But it’s hard on my stomach. Causes acid.

I find it's hard on my stomach too (DH is the same). He absolutely cannot take Vitamin C, but @JaneEyre helped me out with that yesterday (we ordered some Prelief - we'll see how that goes).

Do you know about N-acetyl Cysteine? (NAC) They're using it pretty regularly in hospitals and in outpatient treatment of mild to moderate CoVid, it's part of the chain of molecules that leads from Vitamin D to the boosting of immune cell function. It doesn't smell so good in the bottle, but at least it's not acidic.

Quercetin is in use as well, as it pushes zinc into cells.

Within any luck, all of this will all magically stop aging and also reduce wrinkles!

 

[gngr~snap]

With today's news between Fauci recommending goggles in public, Harvard stating Georgia should be shut down and Herman Cain's death, that settles it. We will not be attending our son's wedding in September.
- not a good feeling, but it is what it is.
Moo
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/fauci-urges-americans-to-wear-goggles-for-added-covid-19-protection/
These 13 states need to lock down now, according to Harvard coronavirus experts

 

[gngr~snap]

Herman Cain tested positve for COVID-19, 9 days after attending rally.
Hospitalized 2 days later, July 1st. 11 days after rally...
4 weeks in the hospital!
He fought it
Moo

Former GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain hospitalized with Covid-19
Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has died after being hospitalized with the coronavirus

 

[Tillicum]

Anyone watching task force doctors and Trump at Red Cross headquarters? Very interesting and informative. Live. I'll try to find a link.

Just ended but you can rewind and watch here.

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[10ofRods]

Do you have a link about the Vitamin D supplementation? I take 5000iu daily of D3. But would like to read up on it. TIA

There are dozens and dozens of links. Here's a good list (from scholar.google.com):

Google Scholar

There are now so many articles, and some of them are quite technical (molecular biologists are keen to figure out exactly why, down to the smallest details that Vitamin D works).

Keep in mind that larger people and people with darker skin are more likely to have low Vitamin D, and that the correlation between Vitamin D and severe outcomes from CoVid keep coming in - and are from all over the world.

 

[oviedo]

Florida coronavirus: Record increase in deaths for third day in a row

And our governor continues the narrative that we are stabilizing... I still hear those echos in my head of how “Florida is the great success story”... which has proven to be so wrong! As new daily case counts counts continue around 10,000 and deaths keep rising, it doesn’t appear to be stabilizing to me and many others in our state. He still hasn’t issued a statewide mask mandate.

Now tests sites are closing due to the storm, which is understandable, but I’m afraid that will be the new excuse in all the numbers.

or he will say everything is getting better - see the numbers are already dropping...
JMO

 

[oviedo]

I guess they decided the risk wasn’t that great. The problem with that is what about the people they will infect who didn’t choose to go to a party? Other health care workers. Patients who they saw before they were diagnosed. Grocery store clerks. Relatives.

Exactly - just like the daily hoopsters at the park - close contact, no masks - but hey - everything is fine here in FL - sigh.

JMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

With today's news between Fauci recommending goggles in public, Harvard stating Georgia should be shut down and Herman Cain's death, that settles it. We will not be attending our son's wedding in September.
- not a good feeling, but it is what it is.
Moo
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/fauci-urges-americans-to-wear-goggles-for-added-covid-19-protection/
These 13 states need to lock down now, according to Harvard coronavirus experts

Ben knew best! (He was a scottish guy in Wuhan that we followed daily on the first few threads) He wore always wore swim goggles when he went out and shopping at the grocery at the outset of Wuhan shutdown.

 

[tresir2012]

Which is accurate. Cancer survivors are at greater risk of serious complications from the virus.

Of course he’d still be here if not for the virus.

I hear people making the argument - “they’re calling any death a COVID19 death if the person tested positive.”

Well, here’s the thing. When someone dies of cancer, their heart fails. Or their lungs fail. Or they die of pneumonia related to a lowered immune system. But we don’t say, “five year old cancer patient died of heart failure.” We say, “Five year old cancer patient died after a long battle with the disease.”

But for the disease, her heart wouldn’t have failed.

This is the truth. Both my in laws died within months of each other. One had bowel cancer and the other had prostate cancer however it was pneumonia that actually killed them in the end. So primary and secondary causes of death.

 

[margarita25]

With today's news between Fauci recommending goggles in publicRSBM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/fauci-urges-americans-to-wear-goggles-for-added-covid-19-protection/
These 13 states need to lock down now, according to Harvard coronavirus experts

Yes, we’ve known this since Wuhan.

 

[weepingangel]

Holyoke Soldiers Home
6 staff at Holyoke Soldiers’ Home test positive for COVID-19; all staff, residents to be tested

Massachusetts/more at link
HOLYOKE — Six employees at the Soldiers’ Home in Holyoke who had previously been cleared to return to work after recovering from COVID-19 again tested positive for the virus this week, prompting the facility to launch additional testing for all staff and residents, officials said.

All six employees tested positive for the virus months ago when the COVID-19 outbreak began in March. Each had been treated and was considered “clinically recovered,” said Brooke Karanovich, spokeswoman for the Massachusetts Executive Office for Health and Human Services.


They had previously tested negative and were allowed to return to work, she said.

 

[MimosaMornings]

With today's news between Fauci recommending goggles in public, Harvard stating Georgia should be shut down and Herman Cain's death, that settles it. We will not be attending our son's wedding in September.
- not a good feeling, but it is what it is.
Moo
https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/fauci-urges-americans-to-wear-goggles-for-added-covid-19-protection/
These 13 states need to lock down now, according to Harvard coronavirus experts

Oh no I’m so sorry. Is the wedding venue in GA?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Anyone watching task force doctors and Trump at Red Cross headquarters? Very interesting and informative. Live. I'll try to find a link.

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Good for him today in bringing this information to the public, and highlighting the need for convalescent plasma! I hope this gets lots of coverage and action by recovered folks.

 

[10ofRods]

I take Alvesco which is from the same class of medicine as dexmethasone and has also been studied in some trials. But I assume the people being treated with that did not have asthma.

I’ve also been supplementing with D3 for over a year.

I was taking mega doses of Curcumin with piperin. (The active chemical in turmeric, with black pepper that makes it work better) for inflammation related to running. But it’s hard on my stomach. Causes acid.

I'm guessing that some of the people in the trials had asthma, as it's very common. I too am asthmatic and so is my nurse-daughter. We really aren't at the phase of this where the big double/triple blind studies can be done and all the various pre-existing conditions studied carefully, but I do think those will be upcoming.

Asthma is often co-morbid with other things (especially in the severe CoVid patients who have been studied).

The following article does seem to conclude that we asthmatics should be on a steroid inhaler:

Article on Asthma

(Hopefully that works). The link does work even though it has a weird label.