Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #73

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Dbm
 
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According to the article, some of them are just clerical errors:

"The I-Team took our findings to the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner's office, and Operations Manager Paul Petrino said the eight we flagged were in fact errors, and should not have been on their spreadsheet.

He said office is in the process of removing them.

We asked Petrino if these erroneous deaths were reported to the state Department of Health and counted toward official COVID death counts, and he said the DOH should have caught the mistakes and not included them. ''




However there are other possible questionable results as well:

She said of the 581 deaths on the spreadsheet, only 169 deaths are listed as COVID without any contributing factors.

Another mistake in the data numbers for Florida? Who does the math there? Homer Simpson? Doh!
 
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Of course the negative results are released. We are told how many tests are done daily and how many positive cases there are daily. By deduction you know how many negative tests there were daily.

This. It's actually considered a very important part of testing to track the percent positive and by default negative. It tells us if we are testing enough of the population each day. The goal is to have the positive rate below 5% by casting a wide enough net in the population.
 
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I don't know about you guys but for this stage of the pandemic I decided to eat my body weight in homemade chocolate chip cookies today. Tomorrow I'll try and roll myself out of bed and accomplish something more useful than doom scrolling and stuffing my face.

The last few days have been hard. I've had a friend completely second guess and question us wearing masks to meet up. So we won't be meeting up I guess. But the total lack of leadership and directives are exactly why I have to deal with this level of stupidity. Just mandate masks already BEFORE you start making your refrigerated morgue truck requests.
 
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Very well said. I do think that people who are quite anxious about CoVid invent all stories to tell themselves. These stories come to be "truth" in their world and their local culture. They unfriend everyone who has a different story, more or less.

The Department of Health and Human Services and especially the broken CDC are supposed to stand for facts and science.

Can you imagine people being asked to do all the various things they did during WW2? (Including obey draft notices, but also rationing, wartime work assignments, and of course, certain health measures).

You are right: if the people "in charge" are anxiously making things up, too, then the whole system collapses.

Civilization is a delicate bubble and when it collapses (when normal expectations can no longer be met) a lot of people go psycho. I do believe everyone is capable of a brief psychosis (for example, if a dinosaur or even a crocodile appeared at my window, I'd probably start screaming my head off and have no coherent thoughts whatsoever).

Paranoia and anxiety go hand and hand. I think most of us are paranoid right (ranging from minor to major), but many of us handle it by trying to learn more, protect ourselves, hunker down and fight the thing in the only way that seems to work (quarantine and social distancing).

Nope. I can not imagine us coming together and doing that. I remember watching a documentary years ago about WW2 rationing etc in the UK. I remember being amazed and thinking how I can't imagine that being done here. We'd never have worked together. Everyone would have revolted and been convinced it was all a plot to steal our freedoms and that freedom would never have been returned to us.
 
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Comments from Melbournians about their lockdown ....


"Not feeling very hopeful or positive. Just feel like I am at the mercy of fools."

"Making sure we go for a walk daily or get exercise has been key for us, and since yesterday there seems to be less people out, which is great. Time will tell to see if it makes a difference."

"As deflating as the latest lockdown is, I'm positive about it being enforced. Living in limbo with the stage 3 lockdowns without seeing results improve has been demoralising, to say the least."

"Hating the longevity. So depressing. My hope is for it to end [and] my concern is that we will be in lockdown until December."

"A curfew is a huge step, as is not being allowed to travel more than 5km from home, and feels very restrictive."

'I almost wish this had happened sooner; the number of people who are ignoring the rules that were already in place has put everyone in danger."

"Six weeks of a harsh lockdown, with hopefully very harsh penalties for those that don't comply so that we can get back to some semblance of normal. I want this done."

"I want there to be more mandatory regulations and hygiene practices in workplaces, and penalties for bosses who may be forcing a casualised workforce to go to work sick, for fear of their jobs."

"There should be charges and severe penalties for unqualified individuals and or groups who knowingly push pseudoscience and inaccuracies during this pandemic. Their 'opinions' with no credible research cited, encourage conspiracy thinking, complacency and non-compliance … This is potentially lethal and must stop."

'I am at the mercy of fools': This is why Melburnians say it's time for harsher penalties
 
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But what information do you think China had? Why didn't Italy give out information. It is a brand new virus. China had no way of knowing more than any other country. It was on the news every day what China was doing. They were quarantining and isolating. Because other countries chose not to do that, is not China's fault. MOO.

China silenced its own scientists and doctors who could have given the world information about the coronavirus. They held back information that there was human-to-human transmission, and the entire world lost time because of this. We were being told there was no human-to-human transmission, which would mean no community spread.
 
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I knew Field of Dreams would be canceled. I'm relieved because I now have a chance to go when it's safer.

In other Iowa news, the governor has the absolute worst approval rating of all the governors. It seems her constituents would prefer her to do more to help them survive the pandemic. She has mandated that all schools must be in-person, no matter what their local numbers look like. It's sociopathic.

Approval of Gov. Reynolds handling of coronavirus worst in nation, survey finds
 
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China silenced its own scientists and doctors who could have given the world information about the coronavirus. They held back information that there was human-to-human transmission, and the entire world lost time because of this. We were being told there was no human-to-human transmission, which would mean no community spread.

I think this is the same thing that Kansas (US) did during the pandemic of 1918 (as per my Australian Story link previously). Withheld the information that their troops were all ill, and consequently the whole world fell ill.

I think maybe we need to stop looking backwards, and start looking forwards. What do we do now? What can we do better?
 
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Denver Broncos install 'misting booth' to disinfect players amid coronavirus pandemic

The Denver Broncos are taking the proper precautions at their facility to help battle the coronavirus pandemic.

The team installed a “misting booth,” which sprays a disinfectant on players to and from the practice field. On Monday, the Broncos posted a video of their players walking through the machine.

More at link.
Ugh. This can't be good, either. God knows what kind of harm this can cause. Guess we'll find out down the road when there are lawsuits regarding the negative effects of being sprayed with disinfectant.
 
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China silenced its own scientists and doctors who could have given the world information about the coronavirus. They held back information that there was human-to-human transmission, and the entire world lost time because of this. We were being told there was no human-to-human transmission, which would mean no community spread.
Yes, they did at first, when they thought that they could stop it in its tracks. They had no more knowledge of it or how to treat it than any countries. They did contain it with isolation and quarantine. And any country could have done that.IMO
 
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As I’ve said many times I feel we are doomed in Florida - today we had a client come in who spent a month in the hospital with Covid - no mask of course ... sigh
Oh and my daily report of the basketball players ? Two full courts no masks and the kids are running lines (6 close together) I watch them when I’m stopped at the red light at the park
 
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Grocery stores are certainly not closed in Melbourne, Victoria.

The problem in the United States, was that practically everything was considered "essential". McDonald's, of course, who could miss an "essential Big Mac"? Pizza places, hardware stores, craft stores, restaurants, car dealership s, almost every store in my town was considered "essential". It was ridiculous.
 
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How can things change? We don’t have to guess. We have real live examples of how covid was handled to stop it.

look at New Zealand, French Polynesia, Vietnam and New Caledonia.

Severe lockdown for two months. Finished. Free!
 
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How can things change? We don’t have to guess. We have real live examples of how covid was handled to stop it.

look at New Zealand, French Polynesia, Vietnam and New Caledonia.

Severe lockdown for two months. Finished. Free!

Well, Vietnam is having a 2nd wave at the moment.


..... Vietnamese became somewhat complacent after three months without an infection, and stopped taking all the necessary safety precautions and traveled to congested places like Danang’s beaches.
Most Vietnamese remain confident that the government can handle the latest outbreak, said Pham.
Vietnam a victim of its own Covid-19 success
 
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Grocery stores are certainly not closed in Melbourne, Victoria.

I started that rumor. It's in a newspaper. Targets are closing in Australia, and possibly related to Covid, but I misread and thought it was a policy thing. It's a Target thing. Target is a grocery store (from the legal point of view here - that's why it was allowed to stay open).

It was a story linked here, and I skimmed it and didn't notice it was stale. I should have known better because just yesterday, I read the actual recent story about the Melbourne lockdown.

Sorry about that.

I am fascinated with the varying levels of lockdowns though. And I'll be very interested to know how Melbourne's lockdown goes. We joked last night that we were doing this "Melbourne style," as we do not exercise more than 5 km away from our house, never more than 2 people at once. Sadly, the only grocery store within 5 km of us is horrific. When we moved here, 25 years ago, it was a fairly nice grocery store (went under in the 2008 recession - sort of like Target trying to get K-Mart to take the Melbourne stores).
 
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I started that rumor. It's in a newspaper. Targets are closing in Australia, and possibly related to Covid, but I misread and thought it was a policy thing. It's a Target thing. Target is a grocery store (from the legal point of view here - that's why it was allowed to stay open).

It was a story linked here, and I skimmed it and didn't notice it was stale. I should have known better because just yesterday, I read the actual recent story about the Melbourne lockdown.

Sorry about that.

I am fascinated with the varying levels of lockdowns though. And I'll be very interested to know how Melbourne's lockdown goes. We joked last night that we were doing this "Melbourne style," as we do not exercise more than 5 km away from our house, never more than 2 people at once. Sadly, the only grocery store within 5 km of us is horrific. When we moved here, 25 years ago, it was a fairly nice grocery store (went under in the 2008 recession - sort of like Target trying to get K-Mart to take the Melbourne stores).

Target only sells clothing, household items and electrical goods here. No food, other than lollies (and maybe chips, not sure). It falls under our department store category. :)
 
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