Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #74

[Simply Southern]

Whatever happened to that can of worms emoji? And this time I opened the can.

Well the horse is out of the barn now.

I have faith they will quickly determine the source. They excel at contract tracing.

 

[Simply Southern]

Oops, duplicate

 

[Trino]

Because people want things to be "normal" and for their children to have "normal" lives. Also, the government wants schools to act as babysitters. Most schools are trying for social distancing - the teaching of which is going to take up so much time.

Older kids will also challenge all those rules (especially during passing time, recess and lunch - and after school). Teachers in middle school and high school will be the ones most likely to get sick and need hospitalization - CDC has advice about closing the schools. In some states, they're not even keeping kids in cohorts where contract tracing could be easier.

It's happening because of the people who get it, it only kills about 5-6%.

Murder kills far fewer. Car accidents kill far fewer. Yet, somehow, the average person apparently believes that stat is acceptable. Of course, for the average parent, it's probably only 1% (2-3% if they're overweight or obese or diabetic or have a heart arrhythmia or high blood pressure or an immune problem).

Think of 100 overweight friends and family and then get ready to say goodbye to 2-3 of them.

And then think of the rehab, the long hospitalizations and the post-CoVid damage to bodies that afflict about another 15-20% (at least).

I guess our insurance companies will start going under. But I also think a lot of people are simply uninsured and this will be a big trial for them to get through.

I also wonder how many asymptomatic kids will pass CoVid on to their parents, siblings, teachers, bus drivers and others before they are even identified.

Well, here’s a good example of spread. Grandson, age 4, had a bad cold, was coronavirus tested before he could get back to daycare. Negative. BUT, he gave the cold to his sister, his dad, AND me! And I was around him for an hour. So, here I sit, feeling head cold miserable.

 

[10ofRods]

Go ahead, rant. I'm with you. My state has a few schools opening this week. In areas with populations less than 3,000 and everybody knows everybody and "their business". They have 4 or less percent positively rate and no deaths. Small groups go one day per week. Internet connective is extremely low in these areas. They are accustomed to working from home several times over the winter due to weather.

Hoping and praying for the best for these kids. These are county kids, farmers kids, use to doing what mama and daddy say. If they don't somebody's gonna tell them.

We'll soon see if these kids can stay Covid free.

There's no guarantee it will be "soon" in small towns like that. The spread into rural areas is fairly slow. It usually hits through asymptomatic carriers and then appears to explode - it can happen any time between when school starts and when parents in that area decide to vaccinate themselves and their children - sometime next year.

A 4% positivity rate in a population of 3000 with no deaths means it's 120 people who have or have had CoVid. Unless there was a miraculous amount of control locally, that 120 likely passed it on to about 100 current cases (R-naught rate of .8 - which is actually really good - people in schools end up with much higher R-naught rates once the virus starts to spread).

The kids will likely be all right. But you can already see what's happening when the parents get it - it's not always a positive ending.

I hope the teachers can get and aren't made to feel bad about PPE. I hope the parent-teacher conferences are by phone. I hope they keep the doors and windows open. I hope there's no A/C circulating dry air.

That, plus the 1 day a week thing should cut transmission in the schools by a good percent, but no one should be surprised if the schools do assist CoVid in finding targets.

 

[10ofRods]

Well, here’s a good example of spread. Grandson, age 4, had a bad cold, was coronavirus tested before he could get back to daycare. Negative. BUT, he gave the cold to his sister, his dad, AND me! And I was around him for an hour. So, here I sit, feeling head cold miserable.

I'm sorry you got the cold. If you're not better soon, please consult a doctor. It's so hard to keep distanced from the little ones when at home.

 

[LadyL]

sorry if you've seen this already:

Inside the Fight to Save Houston’s Most Vulnerable

 

[Simply Southern]

There's no guarantee it will be "soon" in small towns like that. The spread into rural areas is fairly slow. It usually hits through asymptomatic carriers and then appears to explode - it can happen any time between when school starts and when parents in that area decide to vaccinate themselves and their children - sometime next year.

A 4% positivity rate in a population of 3000 with no deaths means it's 120 people who have or have had CoVid. Unless there was a miraculous amount of control locally, that 120 likely passed it on to about 100 current cases (R-naught rate of .8 - which is actually really good - people in schools end up with much higher R-naught rates once the virus starts to spread).

The kids will likely be all right. But you can already see what's happening when the parents get it - it's not always a positive ending.

I hope the teachers can get and aren't made to feel bad about PPE. I hope the parent-teacher conferences are by phone. I hope they keep the doors and windows open. I hope there's no A/C circulating dry air.

That, plus the 1 day a week thing should cut transmission in the schools by a good percent, but no one should be surprised if the schools do assist CoVid in finding targets.

Well, I'm choosing to think positive with this group I refer to. A whole different world in the remote small communities. Most of the kids and parents don't have internet, some satellite TV, no cable at all, and cell phone coverage is spotty. Everybody's still got a home phone,

Everybody's working on the farms, especially with the crops coming in. They don't socialize, except for church and school, this time of year. Everybody's working sun up to sun down, dog tired.

They ain't going out anywhere but to the next field on their 100s of acres farm.

Everybody cares about each other. Teachers, parents, students will all put together. Whole different world.

Got to have hope, always.

 

[Clair Louise]

I'm sorry you got the cold. If you're not better soon, please consult a doctor. It's so hard to keep distanced from the little ones when at home.

And summer head colds seem worse somehow.

 

[10ofRods]

The United States had slightly more than 1500 deaths today, with a 2 day average of about 1150 deaths per day.

The 1500 is concerning, as new cases continue to exceed 50,000 a day.

Hence the projections of another 30,000-35,000 deaths by early September.

If this is our first wave plateau, as it appears, unless there are dramatic changes in how we do things, we will continue to average around 1200-1500 deaths per day and 50-60,o00 new cases per day (that's with our current behavior - when school starts, wait a month and see how it looks by early October).

 

[10ofRods]

And summer head colds seem worse somehow.

They are unfair, that's what they are. Hopefully, though, those little T cells will perk up and remember what they're supposed to do.

All of us want to be out and about, having fun, in the summer. The summer of 2020 truly sucks.

 

[Clair Louise]

They are unfair, that's what they are. Hopefully, though, those little T cells will perk up and remember what they're supposed to do.

All of us want to be out and about, having fun, in the summer. The summer of 2020 truly sucks.

And warmth is our go to comfort, but that does not comfort in hot summers. A warm fire or a bed or even a hot water bottle is a comfort if you are miserable with a cold in winter, you cant go there in summer.

 

[Trino]

They are unfair, that's what they are. Hopefully, though, those little T cells will perk up and remember what they're supposed to do.

All of us want to be out and about, having fun, in the summer. The summer of 2020 truly sucks.

And, from what I’ve been reading, winter 2020 isn’t going to be so great.

 

[10ofRods]

Well, I'm choosing to think positive with this group I refer to. A whole different world in the remote small communities. Most of the kids and parents don't have internet, some satellite TV, no cable at all, and cell phone coverage is spotty. Everybody's still got a home phone,

Everybody's working on the farms, especially with the crops coming in. They don't socialize, except for church and school, this time of year. Everybody's working sun up to sun down, dog tired.


They ain't going out anywhere but to the next field on their 100s of acres farm.

Everybody cares about each other. Teachers, parents, students will all put together. Whole different world.

Got to have hope, always.

That's why I used the word "hope." I hope they take proper measures. Hope all by itself is not my gig. I can't feel hopeful when there's a known menace afoot that attacks silently and we know how it travels.

I do hope that testing is rapidly available, that kids are kept in the same cohorts, etc. If so - and especially if their work is mostly done outside (and kids are taught the social distancing techniques that work elsewhere), we may see a neutral effect of school openings.

So you think that not one teacher has a friend, relative, lover, ex, adult child, grandparent or someone they might visit during the semester? Someone that isn't on 100 acres?

Because I think everyone is equally caring here in the larger towns - but there's an awful lot of ways that CoVid can get to a small town. My own hometown now has a much higher rate than the city where I live. And they truly care about each other - 100 acres doesn't help when you put 15 people together in room - what matters then is that no one (including the grocery supply workers) have CoVid. That's how my cousin got CoVId (in hospital for 2 months, seems likely to survive). Very small town. Lives alone, but works for a grocery distribution chain and his workers (all of them exposed) go everywhere (this is Nebraska).

I truly do have hope - but I want to see the rationality behind what people are doing. And I do not look down on people who lose hope, because not everyone is capable of maintaining it if they get a super bad illness, it can be very hard psychologically. The "glass half empty" people are an important part of staying grounded, because we are supposed to agents of our own health and safety, in my view.

 

[kiwi50]

In NZ they are now testing the surfaces of a coolstore where one of the new caes works, in case it came into the country through an import.
Not sure how much research has been done on this possibility.

 

[SouthAussie]

In NZ they are now testing the surfaces of a coolstore where one of the new caes works, in case it came into the country through an import.
Not sure how much research has been done on this possibility.

Well, considering the recent below it seems that there may be more ways than we thought for the virus to travel.

Coronavirus found on frozen seafood in China

Authorities in China have found the novel coronavirus on the packaging of imported frozen seafood that arrived from the port city of Dalian, which recently battled a surge of cases.

The virus was found on the outer packaging of frozen seafood bought by three companies in Yantai, a port city in eastern Shandong province.

The Yantai city government said in a statement the seafood was from an imported shipment that landed at Dalian but did not say where it originated.

In July, customs officers in Dalian, a major port in the northeastern province of Liaoning, found the coronavirus in the packaging of frozen shrimps imported from Ecuador, and China then suspended imports from three Ecuadorean shrimp producers.

 

[SouthAussie]

That seems like such a slippery slope.

If it catches on, can they expand that chip in the future, to include HIV, or TB? Can they include who has taken future vaccines and who hasn't?

Our passports already have a chip inside that contains all of our relevant details (whatever those unknown details are).
It makes it a lot easier to go through the initial customs line. We just slide our passport into a machine, it checks our details, spits out the passport and off we go to the next line.

It has been that way for about 5 years now.

People with older passports will get one of this kind of passport the next time they renew. They look the same, they just have a thicker page in the middle where the chip is contained.

 

[tmar]

And, from what I’ve been reading, winter 2020 isn’t going to be so great.

In Melbourne, Victoria, we sailed through Summer.
Winter hit us bad, now in Lockdown 4.

 

[margarita25]

How A Florida School District of 45,000 Plans To Reopen With Covid-19 Precautions | NBC Nightly News

This video shows a school water fountain and says no more drinking from the water fountains..I had a flashback of the “mono“ days...

Didn’t we learn “drink from the fountain” and you could get “mono” lol

 

[HongKongPhooey]

I was at our Hospital last week for some imaging. Screened coming in and had to fill out a questionnaire. It listed all the usual Covid symptoms but one really stood out to me. It asked-have you had a fall for no apparent reason. Perhaps that might be associated with brain fog???

That's interesting! I definitely thought that balance was an issue, think I mentioned it here. Also that my perspective was slightly "out". I would bash a glass down on the counter, thinking it was lower, or bump a shoulder into a door. (I dont have these issues now,)

Hope you are ok Bravo xX

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder if they're the equivalent of ours that we call "bubblers" . I had been thinking for a long time that it might not be too hygenic to drink out of our bubblers.
Even more so since this fairly recent story of a man washing his dogs bottom in one.

https://7news.com.au/news/animals/s...behind-in-a-public-drinking-fountain-c-417464

This video shows a school water fountain and says no more drinking from the water fountains..I had a flashback of the “mono“ days...