Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #75

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  • #241
No it isn't that easy, nor is if effective. It may clean out virus' in an empty room, but it cannot handle purifying while a group of people are in there.

We talked about this prior to Trump's church rally in Tulsa:

Phoenix Church Hosting Trump Claims That Air System Kills 99.9% Of Covid-19 Coronavirus

Trump Megachurch Went Too Far With COVID-19 Air-Purification Claims, Company Now Admits

I found the Duke news page with the news about the calculator:
Online Tool Calculates Risk of Classroom Transmission of Airborne COVID-19
https://nicholas.duke.edu/news/online-tool-calculates-risk-classroom-transmission-airborne-covid-19
The actual calculator:
COVID exposure modeler

And on that page I saw a link to FAQs. Much of all this is too technical for me to understand, but I saw this, which referenced the nytimes article about the Arizona church, fwiw.

A company is promoting an air cleaning system using ions, plasmas, or OH radicals. Do these systems work?

Be very careful with that type of system. They are being promoted very aggressively, but often there is very little detail given about how the system really works. In some cases claims are made that are obviously wrong or suspicious. See this NYT article as an example: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/us/politics/trump-arizona-church-covid.htm Oxidation systems will turn volatile organic compounds (VOCs) in the air into more oxidized species, NOT into CO2 and water, and the oxidized species and aerosols formed may actually be worse for health than the original VOCs.
My group has done extensive research on similar systems, from the point of view of atmospheric chemistry applications, see https://doi.org/10.1039/C9CS00766K. I have not seen a lot of peer-reviewed analyses of the details of these "advanced" cleaning systems. There is one in this paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6463/ab1466
 
  • #242
Another stupid school opening - in my district.

First problem is the district TODAY announced the plan. That gives parents about 3 weeks to find child care.
The real problem is the plan. Elementary kids go to school M, Tu, Th, F. Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot! May as well go to school all five days. What's with one day off in the middle of the week? Classes will still be crowded. Hallways will be crowded. Cafeteria will be crowded. I though the idea was to REDUCE distances among children.
 
  • #243
Do they ever have to pay the rent owing under the previous moratorium or does the government pay the landlords for those months? If the tenant does not have to ever pay that back rent then why would they not have put some by from the previous $1,200 weekly amounts they have been receiving, so they could pay the future rent?


In the US...a landlord would apply for a "judgement" from the courts, for ALL rent owed, court cost and damages, a hearing date set, everyone appears and speaks before the judge.

The judge decides if judgement is issued according to state law. If judgement is granted, its filed with the court. If employed, money's can and will be deducted by the employer, forwarded to the court and court forwards to the landlord, until debt is paid in full.

The judge will also issue an Eviction Notice with a date the tenant must vacate the property. EN timeframes are set per local law, usually 5 to 15 days from court date. Warrants are served at the home.

The landlord can/will make pre arrangements to have LE at the home the day of eviction, is not vacated.

LE can physically remove the tenant. All property can and will be moved curb side, if tenant does not move prior to eviction date.

Times, dates and process may vary by state, but most all states are relatively the same.

This is always a sad event for all, especially when children are present.

Moo....and experience with property I own.
 
  • #244
I found the Duke news page with the news about the calculator:
Online Tool Calculates Risk of Classroom Transmission of Airborne COVID-19
The actual calculator:
COVID exposure modeler

And on that page I saw a link to FAQs. Much of all this is too technical for me to understand, but I saw this, which referenced the nytimes article about the Arizona church, fwiw.

On thank you!! Technically hard to understand information, deal me in. I love a good technical document. :cool:

Great find on the calculator !!!!
 
  • #245

This is interesting. I found a related story from Duke:

New Tool Can Help Gauge COVID-19 Transmission Risk in Classrooms

"If you’re heading back to work in a lab, classroom or office, or to live in a dorm room this semester, you’re probably feeling some level of concern about virus transmission. A new tool developed by Duke researchers may help faculty, students and staff who plan to return to campus to assess COVID-19 transmission risk if they’re sharing space with others.

Created by Prasad Kasibhatla, John Fay, Elizabeth Albright and DGHI’s William Pan, with help from Jose Jimenez, a professor of chemistry at the University of Colorado, the tool predicts airborne concentrations of the virus and the odds of transmission from microscopic infectious airborne particles (referred to as aerosols), the developers said."
(snip)
“The tool was meant for evaluating risk of COVID-19 aerosol transmission to students and teachers, but it actually also works for anyone in any shared room,” said Pan, associate professor of global and environmental health."
(snip)
"Kasibhatla said he hopes their tool can be used to evaluate COVID-19 risk in enclosed spaces like prisons and hospitals, too. And it could also be used for other infectious diseases, such as influenza.

“The medical community is still very much focused on transmission through people coughing and sneezing and people coughing or sneezing on surfaces and transferring virus from those. But there is increasing evidence that COVID-19 is spread via people talking, singing and in a lecture room. For example, the Washington choir outbreak is believed to have been driven by aerosol transmission,” he pointed out."
(snip)

ETA: This must be the same story @slowpoke cites above. I guess I'm the slowpoke!
 
  • #246
Georgia keeps key virus information from public

I have been following the date in GA pretty darn closely and I'll just say the data in the last couple of weeks has been odd and erratic. The numbers are wildly up and down. I noticed that as soon as the hospitals were reported as having full ICU's and it made it in the paper some of the hospitals started denying it and the ICU data with GEMA suddenly dropped.

Now, I'm no genius but I thought it was weird that consistently rising ICU beds suddenly dropped in number once the public was expressing concern. I wondered at the time if the numbers were being fudged OR if they were pushing people out of the ICU as soon as they could. THIS is just my own opinion here!

But I know a nurse at a hospital that was supposedly diverting patients and ended up in the AJC. They and the hospital were seriously angry and touchy about the subject and said it was lies and "fake news". When the AJC interviewed hospitals on this this exact same hospital refused to address it or discuss it.

I also know that for months according to employees this hospital was keeping a daily tally on a white board of how many covid patients they had. When the lock down was restricted they stopped publicly sharing with their own employees the number of patients other than to constantly downplay it to them...according to the employee I know.

I'm just saying I think due to the unfortunate political climate regarding COVID we have giving incentives to hide and downplay the seriousness and the true extent of what's going on in Georgia.

But don't take my anecdolate info on it. Here's the AJC sharing how whatever is going on is fishy as well.

"Documents that could show how Georgia has managed key aspects of the coronavirus pandemic are being withheld from the public, in what open government advocates say are possible violations of public records laws.


GEMA isn’t the only Georgia agency that has failed the transparency test during the pandemic. In response to AJC records requests, the Georgia Department of Public Health said it would not provide a response to the requests until as long as 30 days after the governor declares the public health emergency has ended.

After legal challenges from the AJC and other news organizations that received similar responses, the DPH said it would provide the documents. In response to a May 13 open records request from the AJC, the agency on July 14 said it wanted $2,700 to produce the documents. The AJC paid but has yet to receive them.

Marshall sees government transparency problems across the country. He said federal agencies are “trying to interfere with states’ and state agencies’ transparency obligations under state law.”

“It’s very worrying,” he said, “especially in an area as serious as COVID-19 response, which could not be more crucial for the public to understand.”
"
 
  • #247
Another stupid school opening - in my district.

First problem is the district TODAY announced the plan. That gives parents about 3 weeks to find child care.
The real problem is the plan. Elementary kids go to school M, Tu, Th, F. Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot! May as well go to school all five days. What's with one day off in the middle of the week? Classes will still be crowded. Hallways will be crowded. Cafeteria will be crowded. I though the idea was to REDUCE distances among children.


Is it the A/B plan, most are using?

A group goes M/T
School/buses heavy cleaning Wed
B group goes T/F
This cuts the class sizes in less than half as some will do online only.

The above is a phase 2 plan I'm seeing in alot of schools

Phase 1 everybody goes
Phase 2 1/2 or less 2 days per group
Phase 3 online only
 
  • #248
Dubai International Airport Becomes the First to Deploy Coronavirus-sniffing Dogs

Dubai officials have begun taking sweat samples from visitors upon arrival to put under the noses of specially trained dogs.

The Dubai airport is the first real-world example where dogs are being used to sniff out COVID-19. The dogs also do their work from afar, never coming into direct contact with potentially infected or fearful humans. Samples are taken from travelers’ armpits and placed in steel containers designed to allow a dog’s snout to fit inside without disturbing the sample.

Test results, which are said to have a 92% accuracy rate, are returned in less than a minute.
If that accuracy rate is true, sounds like the dogs are more accurate than actual lab tests. MOO
 
  • #249
White House warns of ‘widespread and expanding’ COVID-19 spread in Georgia

This is enraging. I am so angry at seeing this happen in my state and we only get this info due to a leak? The state is actively hiding how bad the situation is counting on most people not seeking out data themselves.

"The Atlanta Journal-Constitution obtained the White House Coronavirus Task Force recommendations for Georgia, dated Aug. 9, from a source.

Dr. Melanie Thompson, principal investigator of the AIDS Research Consortium of Atlanta, said it is frustrating that the report is only seeing the light of day because of a leak.

“These are public health data and they should be publicly available,” she said.""
 
  • #250
YOU MAY BE A RECIPIENT of A FEDERAL HEALTH INSURANCE REFUND


I just got a check for a LARGE amount of money in the mail from Anthen BC BS!

Yes, I almost threw it away as junk mail!! A rebate on health care premiums.

States.....

The Affordable Care Act, requires insurances to send a rebate if medical expenses paid out are lower than expected, by Sept 30th.

Its real, I called BC.

Everybody check those letters we are inundated with and are usually junk mail. You could be a winner.

Happy Dancing in Virginia.
 
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White House warns of ‘widespread and expanding’ COVID-19 spread in Georgia

This is enraging. I am so angry at seeing this happen in my state and we only get this info due to a leak? The state is actively hiding how bad the situation is counting on most people not seeking out data themselves.

"The Atlanta Journal-Constitution obtained the White House Coronavirus Task Force recommendations for Georgia, dated Aug. 9, from a source.

Dr. Melanie Thompson, principal investigator of the AIDS Research Consortium of Atlanta, said it is frustrating that the report is only seeing the light of day because of a leak.

“These are public health data and they should be publicly available,” she said.""


Source your daily number from the CDC website. This is what the WH is using. Dr Birx uses these numbers daily to base her decisions on.

Can't go wrong with CDC.

All other sources are subjective.
 
  • #252
Yet for a normal person who is not working with patients, and has a close exposure, they are supposed to quarantine.

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

I think there may be a medical staff shortage that is causing the CDC to say that medical staff can still work if exposed, as long as they follow CDC recommended protections.

Unfortunately, the link I provided yesterday was not acceptable ... so my information could not remain. So here are a few more links about it.


26 states will soon face shortage of ICU doctors

Doctor shortage and coronavirus in rural Pennsylvania and no doctors and pandemic

US hospitals pressure healthcare staff to work even if they have Covid symptoms

U.S. physician shortage growing
 
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Heard from my sister RNMSN in Maui, today. She said its very chaotic, runs on the grocery store, some in panic mode buying, jails releasing prisoners by the hundreds. Everyone worried the supply ships will not deliver food and medicine.

They have prided themselves on containment. She says everyone is shocked. it's hit the Island with a vengeance.

She's been keeping up with the mainland and Virginia in particular as that's where their family live. She seems ready and quite calm. One whole room devoted to food, household and medical supplies, she has accumulated since early March.

She's even convince the insurance company, in May to authorize a 6 months supply of medication for her husband.

Praying for all our Island neighbors. :(
 
  • #256
I think there may be a medical staff shortage that is causing the CDC to say that medical staff can still work if exposed, as long as they follow CDC recommended protections.

Unfortunately, the link I provided yesterday was not acceptable ... so my information could not remain. So here are a few more links about it.


26 states will soon face shortage of ICU doctors

Doctor shortage and coronavirus in rural Pennsylvania and no doctors and pandemic

US hospitals pressure healthcare staff to work even if they have Covid symptoms

U.S. physician shortage growing

being told to work with symptoms is totally outrageous!!!!!
 
  • #257
Keep in mind the US Constitution, delegates control and authority to all Governor's. Federal government can't lockdown State borders in the US.

Some countries do have control over states, as yours does. Many came to the new land to escape government control and freedom of religion.

Just correcting a misconception ..... our federal govt does not have authority to close state borders. Our states have done that themselves. We have a constitution too.

Which two states did not do it? NSW and Victoria (although Vic finally has). The states who are struggling with the virus.

This illusion that we are all under govt control is just that ... an illusion. A huge majority of us are cooperative by choice. Because we all (or almost all) actually want to help each other to get rid of this virus in our country.

I find that we actually have more freedom, not less, than in the US. Most of us have never had to wear a mask yet, we are still going out to breakfast/lunch/dinner, reduced crowds attend our football games, our kids go to face to face school ....
 
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  • #258
I like it too. Sort of like having your own box seats. :)
I wonder if this is driving tickets prices up.

It must be. There's probably not even a tenth of the crowd there would have been in the olden days (y'know, as far back as February!)

I'd be more likely to go, much more civilised. I got my bare leg wee'd on at an Oasis gig years ago and that wouldn't happen here!! I can't see big name bands doing it though, unless the tix cost megabucks.
 
  • #259
being told to work with symptoms is totally outrageous!!!!!

Yes. Though we have all known, right from the start, that if the virus blows out of control the healthcare workers and system will struggle to keep up.

One of the reasons that most of us in my country closed our state borders and got prepared.
NZ, too. They might have closed their border and temporarily escaped the virus ... but they were staying prepared and ready.

I feel immense empathy for the healthcare workers ... so exposed, and yet so needed.
 
  • #260
From the "Common Sense" file, AZ to address some of the blatant unfairness that resulted from June's re-closure of certain businesses. The most obvious example concerned restaurants that held "bar" liquor licenses. Although many of these places had long since become established as restaurants, they were forced to close, even though the closure order was aimed at dance clubs where young adults were gathering in huge numbers. In my opinion, this shouldn't have taken two months to correct. One of the side-effects of this has been open restaurant bars being "discovered" by people who's regular pub was closed down, resulting in exactly the kind of congregation that the order was meant to address.

Arizona businesses actually can apply to reopen despite COVID-19 metrics
 
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