Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #75

[tresir2012]

Let me clarify the client had covid and reported it to us as we had met prior to - the friend the client brought was the one who infected the client by the clients admission as they were roommates and the friend is a bouncer at a bar- so the way the client explained it was roommate brought Covid home from bar asymptomatic but client got very sick and recovered - none of our employees have it that I know of - but it’s careless behavior by the client but after all - they are the client

Why doesn't your company require clients and visitors to wear masks?

 

[tresir2012]

How is it that clients can get into your office like that? Are there no protocols in place to prevent walk ins?

Many of the professional services in these parts, (ON) have their doors locked to clients, so the scenerio you describe can't happen. The accountant's office has a drop box in the entryway. Clients don't go beyond that.

The veterinary hospitals doors are locked. You ring when you arrive. Conversations and paperwork are done outside. Pets are taken in for treatment without their owners, who wait outside.

Law offices are doing virtual meetings and electronic signatures. Real estate is by appointment. Of course, all medical services have pre-screening at the door.

People are never going to stop walking into offices in ways that bring risks to those who work there unless protocols are put in place to protect staff, other clients, and the facilities.

This is what my vet does and you ring ahead for the appointmeng. My hairdresser also has a locked door and appointments only plus they take your temperature and sell you a mask for a £1. If you don't don the mask and pass the temp test, you don't get in.

 

[tresir2012]

Hi Tessor.
No, overall, our government will not be paying their rent.
Rent payments were delayed, not absolved.
There are a few feeble programs, doing a lottery type help for your past due rent, but, nothing to help the Tsunami amount of people who have not paid their rent.
Why did they not pay?
My guess is that most of them could not.
Food is the number one, must pay.
Unlike many of us here, most people did not see this virus and the repercussions of it.
For most, it was life normal.
Until. They started losing their jobs and their businesses.
I'm pretty conservative, however, I disagree with this judges ruling.
As high and mighty as some of our judges think they are...
The first time media covers a story about a family being thrown out to the street... They'll probably
get over a million dollars from a go fund me page.
Plus, hysterically, this judge, has demanded that courtrooms, and lawyers show up to process eviction notice starting Monday
Aye, this Emperor has no clothes, better yet, no staff.
One thing Covid-19 has revealed to me, is how many government officials think that they are "all that".
Idiots.

TY for explaining. I thought the back rent would be forgiven ( IMO it should if genuinely it cannot be paid ) or at least allow some small payments towards that back rent while paying current rent. For those who genuinely are not even able to pay rent going forward, this will be a disaster on top of the Covid disaster.

 

[Rocco]

Why doesn't your company require clients and visitors to wear masks?

I was at Walmart a few days ago. They have signs up saying masks are required to shop there. Two young ladies walked in right before me and they were not wearing masks. The door greeter just greeted them and said nothing about the fact they weren't wearing masks. So I asked him: ''Are those women going to be allowed to shop here without masks?'' He told me they can put up signs saying masks are required but they can't not allow people to shop there if they don't wear them because there is no state or city mandate that people have to wear them and there is no law saying they must be worn. I just don't get it. People don't shop without shoes or shirts and there is no law saying they must be worn but people comply.

Enough already.

Either all states/cities need to mandate masks be worn in public or a law needs to be passed that makes it an offense not to wear a mask in public.

Many stores have a sign saying masks are required to shop there. These stores have masks available as you enter the store. Some stores have them for free (Lowe's) and others sell them for less than $1 as you walk in (Menards). But the greeter at Walmart told me they don't do that because they don't have any in stock. Come on now!! If other stores can get them, so can Walmart. Cheapskates.

I'm all for the policy that Southwest Airlines has------you have to wear a mask on their flights or you can't fly on their aircraft. No exceptions. Have asthma? Sorry---if you can't wear a mask, you can't fly with them.

ETA: If they can pass laws that forbid you from smoking in stores because it's hazardous to the health of others, they sure as heck can pass laws that you can't be in stores without a mask because it's hazardous to the health of others. What are we waiting for?

 

[tresir2012]

It doesn't really matter how sick they are, they can still pass it on to others not as young as they.

It matters if the hospitals are getting close to full capacity though.

From the Connectitut article

"No new coronavirus-related deaths were reported Thursday. Net hospitalizations increased by five patients to 63."

So hospitalisations seem low there, which is good The article indicated 169 positives were in age groups 20-49.

Hospitalizations are currently down 7 to 56 based on their daily tracker report. They are doing well IMO.

Connecticut COVID-19 Data Tracker

 

[ilovewings]

I was at Walmart a few days ago. They have signs up saying masks are required to shop there. Two young ladies walked in right before me and they were not wearing masks. The door greeter just greeted them and said nothing about the fact they weren't wearing masks. So I asked him: ''Are those women going to be allowed to shop here without masks?'' He told me they can put up signs saying masks are required but they can't not allow people to shop there if they don't wear them because there is no state or city mandate that people have to wear them and there is no law saying they must be worn. I just don't get it. People don't shop without shoes or shirts and there is no law saying they must be worn but people comply.

Enough already.

Either all states/cities need to mandate masks be worn in public or a law needs to be passed that makes it an offense not to wear a mask in public.

Many stores have a sign saying masks are required to shop there. These stores have masks available as you enter the store. Some stores have them for free (Lowe's) and others sell them for less than $1 as you walk in (Menards). But the greeter at Walmart told me they don't do that because they don't have any in stock. Come on now!! If other stores can get them, so can Walmart. Cheapskates.

I'm all for the policy that Southwest Airlines has------you have to wear a mask on their flights or you can't fly on their aircraft. No exceptions. Have asthma? Sorry---if you can't wear a mask, you can't fly with them.

ETA: If they can pass laws that forbid you from smoking in stores because it's hazardous to the health of others, they sure as heck can pass laws that you can't be in stores without a mask because it's hazardous to the health of others. What are we waiting for?

I would make a guess that the greeter did not wish to confront those people without masks - probably afraid to do so and i can't blame him: people have been shot for just asking someone to wear a mask in their store: that is a very sad fact. It is absurd that there is a percentage of people that refuse to comply with wearing masks. They are
ruining it for all of us and putting everyone around them at risk.

 

[SouthAussie]

With the virus continuing to grow among our schools in New South Wales, the following measures are likely.
The numbers aren't particularly high (relatively speaking), but they are trying to stop them getting any higher.



The banning of choirs and recorders, limiting inter-school activities and clarity over year 12 graduations and kindergarten orientations are expected under new coronavirus rules for NSW schools in term three. (They are in term 3 right now.)

The use of woodwind instruments in groups - including many parents' favourite, the recorder - would also be put on hold, robbing bands and orchestras of flutes, saxophones and clarinets, but not brass instruments.

Activities that involved students from different schools mixing, especially if it involved more than 100 people, would be limited, and events with parents such as graduations, as well as formals and dances, would cease for the remainder of term three.

..... debate continues over inter-school sport, with concerns a school ban would be unfair while community club sport was permitted.

Paulina Skerman from Santa Sabina College in Strathfield said principals were under "incredible pressure from parents and other stakeholders to host events so they need to be supported by clear government directives".

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...its-under-new-guidelines-20200814-p55lx8.html

 

[ilovewings]

I’d like to share something that happened at my office today - a client dropped in with someone else (the client had Covid and was recovered) no masks and the person with the client worked in a role where frequent contact with many is part of the job And likely infected the client - I sanitized all the surfaces when they left including our client bathroom but this really showed me why we have a serious problem in Florida - people just don’t get it ... no courtesy to wear masks or even call ahead to see if we were available
JMO

The problem in this country is lack of leadership- plain and simple--- and mixed messages. Early on people were told not only not to wear masks, but that masks were ineffective (that was from the surgeon general's mouth): i won't say what i think of him-- suffice it is to say that early message has resulted in what we are seeing now- people just being defiant-- there is also the issue of people not being very smart: they really do not understand what a pandemic really is---they clearly do not understand how the virus spreads- the contagion aspect.

 

[tresir2012]

BBC addresses fake and misleading news.

Putin vaccine memes flood social media

Putin the superhero
There have been many satirical memes about Russia's announcement, shared in a range of languages. Some show Russian President Vladimir Putin as a superhero, such as Spiderman or Ironman, saving the world.

One of the most popular being shared portrays Mr Putin riding a bear with a giant syringe strapped to his back.

A version of this meme even claims, incorrectly, that it was shared by Mr Putin himself.

Image captionMany satirical images have been shared representing Putin as a superhero


Here's another BBC link about vaccines.

UK signs deals for 90 million virus vaccine doses

The UK government has signed deals for a further 90 million doses of coronavirus vaccine.

The vaccines are being developed by the Belgian pharmaceutical company Janssen and the US biotech company Novavax.

It means the UK has placed orders for six experimental vaccines, taking its potential stockpile to 340 million doses.

In theory, there should be enough for everyone in the UK to get five doses. Most of the vaccines require only two.

With most vaccine trials ending in failure, the government is effectively hedging its bets, hoping that at least one of the vaccines it has purchased proves safe and effective.

The price being paid has not been revealed.

Below is the WHO vaccine info and list of all the vaccines.

Draft landscape of COVID-19 candidate vaccines

 

[oviedo]

Why doesn't your company require clients and visitors to wear masks?

They are lawyers and don’t wear them either

 

[tresir2012]

They are lawyers and don’t wear them either

I guess they are immune

 

[ilovewings]

Thank you for sharing. Another horror story. There are so many. How did we get to be such a "me" society?

Parents indulging their children who grow up with a sense of entitlement and a profound level of self-centeredness ; we've known this for the past twenty years but we just shrugged: but now, these children of entitlement are endangering us all-----

 

[oviedo]

I guess they are immune

Yep and the rules don’t apply - I Wanted to display a tasteful sign but nope and the people renting office space don’t wear masks and come and go all day - at least the space is large enough that I can socially distant most of the time

 

[SouthAussie]

Yep and the rules don’t apply - I Wanted to display a tasteful sign but nope and the people renting office space don’t wear masks and come and go all day - at least the space is large enough that I can socially distant most of the time

Funny (not funny) that the rules don't apply to the lawyers. One would think they should be smarter, considering they are people that are usually well-versed in law and the enforcement of such, and should understand that rules and etiquette are there for a reason.

I realise that rules and recommendations are not law. But still. There are rules and etiquette to follow in court and other places that they attend. Do they consider themselves above this lowly life-saving mask rule/recommendation? And what about workplace OH&S ... do they consider themselves above that, too?


Just to add: If this is a 'business' choice, I would think they would want to exhibit to their clients that they know their stuff and follow rules and recommendations. Give their clients that kind of confidence in them.

 

[Rocco]

I would make a guess that the greeter did not wish to confront those people without masks - probably afraid to do so and i can't blame him: people have been shot for just asking someone to wear a mask in their store: that is a very sad fact. It is absurd that there is a percentage of people that refuse to comply with wearing masks. They are
ruining it for all of us and putting everyone around them at risk.

Absolutely agree. As strongly as I feel that people should be required to wear a mask when in public, you couldn't pay me enough to confront the meat heads who aren't wearing them. I was just a little surprised he didn't say anything to them. Not so much as ''Are you ladies aware it's our policy to wear masks while shopping here?'' But I don't blame him at all.

 

[weepingangel]

Mass. School Officials Push for Free COVID Testing With Rapid Results as Districts Finalize Their Plans
More at link
One school committee in Massachusetts is pushing the state to provide free, easily accessible, ongoing COVID-19 testing with a quick turnaround time before any school district in the commonwealth brings students back into the classroom.

“It feels irresponsible for us to say, 'well it’s your responsibility to go get a test and bring it back,'” said Worcester School Committee member Tracy O’Connell Novick.
Worcester’s school committee passed a resolution Thursday night in a 6-1 vote, and Novick says she’s already heard from several other school committees from across the state looking to have the same resolution requesting COVID testing before bringing students back into school buildings.

“If we’re actually as a state talking about putting a million kids back into buildings, and talking about having 150,000 staff, that are all in contact with each other,” said Novick, “we’ve got to be able to say, ‘you have symptoms, go get tested, you’re going to have results in a short period of time.’”

 

[weepingangel]

https://www.necn.com/news/coronavirus/hybrid-learning-may-be-more-dangerous-than-in-person-classes-experts-warn/2310782/
more at link
Epidemiologists argue that under a remote plan, students' exposure, or expanded network, is largely limited to the people in their households, the Globe reports. An in-person learning plan would limit students to a consistent group of children and school employees, according to the experts, while a hybrid model would widen that circle.

 

[ilovewings]

Yep and the rules don’t apply - I Wanted to display a tasteful sign but nope and the people renting office space don’t wear masks and come and go all day - at least the space is large enough that I can socially distant most of the time

I am curious: what is their reasoning for not wearing masks? i mean these are professional, supposedly intelligent people- I don't get it.

 

[CSIDreamer]

When did coronavirus hit the US? Study shows sooner than thought | whas11.com

Those swabs were from people who thought they had the flu. They were taken from January in China and February and early March in Seattle.

The researchers found some of those suspected flu cases were actually positive for COVID-19. The findings indicate for every two cases of flu there was one case of coronavirus.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I was at Walmart a few days ago. They have signs up saying masks are required to shop there. Two young ladies walked in right before me and they were not wearing masks. The door greeter just greeted them and said nothing about the fact they weren't wearing masks. So I asked him: ''Are those women going to be allowed to shop here without masks?'' He told me they can put up signs saying masks are required but they can't not allow people to shop there if they don't wear them because there is no state or city mandate that people have to wear them and there is no law saying they must be worn. I just don't get it. People don't shop without shoes or shirts and there is no law saying they must be worn but people comply.

Enough already.

Either all states/cities need to mandate masks be worn in public or a law needs to be passed that makes it an offense not to wear a mask in public.

Many stores have a sign saying masks are required to shop there. These stores have masks available as you enter the store. Some stores have them for free (Lowe's) and others sell them for less than $1 as you walk in (Menards). But the greeter at Walmart told me they don't do that because they don't have any in stock. Come on now!! If other stores can get them, so can Walmart. Cheapskates.

I'm all for the policy that Southwest Airlines has------you have to wear a mask on their flights or you can't fly on their aircraft. No exceptions. Have asthma? Sorry---if you can't wear a mask, you can't fly with them.

ETA: If they can pass laws that forbid you from smoking in stores because it's hazardous to the health of others, they sure as heck can pass laws that you can't be in stores without a mask because it's hazardous to the health of others. What are we waiting for?

Illinois has now made it punishable by fines. I'll be interested to see if that has changed anything in the rural stores next week when I shop. It has not changed at the local convenient stores.