Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #75

[Deleted member 158085]

Was that article posted here? The one about gaiters making it worse. If not, I'll find it and post.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Messaging has changed, or at least the science has, in terms of homemade masks protecting the wearer. They do offer protection on various levels depending on the quality and fit of the homemade mask.

I consider that the mask 180 is analogous to what is happening right now with the fast tests on paper that are being touted by Dr. Seheult and many. The sensitivity is sooooooooooooo low at 50% that it's not comparable to the gold standard PCR test. (Sensitivity is how low a viral load that can be detected... the paper tests need a viral amount level higher than PCR to be positive)

Therefore, the paper tests not approved yet by CLIA. Many scientists are saying that if done back to back at $3/test vs. $100 - $200 PCR which takes 10+ days turnaround (AND equipment that test makers don't want to invest in as they will be useless in a year) - what the test may not pick up at the outset of the disease, due to low viral load, will be picked up the next day.

It's a loophole as to fitting into the gold standard.

e.g. masks that are homemade don't have "standards" to pass for health heads to state unequivocally they work... but doing under the "public health emergency" umbrella, stating such is allowed.

This wasn't foreseen in any of the pandemic scenarios MOO, and as such, an issue it has become.... and turned into confusion for many.

MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

That's great! Especially since gaiters can actually make it worse.

I hope Dollar General gets the message because their employees were wearing DG logo gaiters last time I was there. I knew they were worthless for protection then, but I was unaware it could actually make it worse.

Yes, and I hope stores pull them off the shelves or sell them as car polishing rags.

 

[CSIDreamer]

BBM. I have found that it is not so much the younger generation, but middle aged and almost elderly men who are more like to rant about the loss of freedom by having to wear a mask. They are also IMO most likely to call it a hoax.

I'm seeing just the opposite where I am, well mostly opposite. It's males and females both when I see it. 20s and 30s.

 

[Sundog]

Was that article posted here? The one about gaiters making it worse. If not, I'll find it and post.

I read an AARP article that rated masks, and the article said that gaiters are the worse, because larger particles are broken down and then smaller particles are dispersed into the air, and since they are smaller, they stay in the air longer due to less weight. I will try to find the link.

 

[Sundog]

I'm seeing just the opposite where I am, well mostly opposite. It's males and females both when I see it. 20s and 30s.

Same where I am, mostly young people not wearing masks. But over time, seeing more and more compliance.

 

[mickey2942]

Same where I am, mostly young people not wearing masks. But over time, seeing more and more compliance.

I find it interesting that people I see outside are wearing masks, everywhere. And they have become quite a fashion trend. Masks with logos of sports teams are popular here, favorite college teams.

One guy I know, is very big, ethnic, (he is from Fiji). He wears a mask with Mickey Mouse, and Disney characters. I asked him if he was a huge Disney fan, he said that he is scary enough without a mask, (true), so he wears a "friendly" mask.

 

[Simply Southern]

BBM. People are not taking responsibility though, so it does have to be enforced.

I agree, mask mandates should be enforced but should not be the responsibility of the store without LE enforcement.

Certainly passing a mask law, helps everyone. Businesses and LE can't shoulder the burden without legislators stepping up and passing a law. All states and Congress have the power and authority to make make wearing illegal for all.

MOO...

 

[anneg]

Was that article posted here? The one about gaiters making it worse. If not, I'll find it and post.

I think it was. The study was done at Duke University.

ETA link to post: Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #74

 

[slowpoke]

One of the major school districts in our region has just advised parents and students that they are not permitted to wear gaiters or bandanas as face coverings when they return to two days of classes this fall.

I do question the study on bandanas, at least the one I read about:
Bolded by me:

The team from FAU’s College of Engineering and Computer Science tested a single-layer “bandana-style covering,” a homemade two-layered cotton mask and a “cone-style mask that is available in most pharmacies,” a news release said.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243933652.html

I don’t know about you all, but to me a bandana is a square piece of fabric, and when you wear it, you fold it into a triangle first. So it would be TWO layers. I’m thinking the bandana they used for the study isn’t the kind that comes to my mind when I think of wearing a bandana. Anyone agree with me?

 

[Sundog]

I do question the study on bandanas, at least the one I read about:
Bolded by me:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243933652.html

I don’t know about you all, but to me a bandana is a square piece of fabric, and when you wear it, you fold it into a triangle first. So it would be TWO layers. I’m thinking the bandana they used for the study isn’t the kind that comes to my mind when I think of wearing a bandana. Anyone agree with me?

The study used the double-folded bandana. They have a picture of the traditional bandana included with their study, at the link below. The bandana did not do well for filtering expelled droplets when speaking. The study measured droplet transmission through various types of face masks, as well as mask alternatives, like bandanas and gaiters. There is a graph included with the study that shows how the various masks and mask-alternatives fared during the study. Gaiters, no mask at all, and bandanas didn't do well.

Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech

 

[MsArk]

I haven't seen this before. I do wonder how she managed to fly from China to LA on April 28th though. I thought all flights from China to US, especially Wuhan, were cancelled in March.

The story is interesting and worrying though.

That really jumped out to me as well. I did not think there were any flights available from China to US on April 28 but I’m glad she is safe.

 

[Tillicum]

I do question the study on bandanas, at least the one I read about:
Bolded by me:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243933652.html

I don’t know about you all, but to me a bandana is a square piece of fabric, and when you wear it, you fold it into a triangle first. So it would be TWO layers. I’m thinking the bandana they used for the study isn’t the kind that comes to my mind when I think of wearing a bandana. Anyone agree with me?

I thought the same thing but I think some are just wearing it without folding it.

 

[Sundog]

Pepperoni shortage strikes small pizza places across the US: report

 

[ilovewings]

Was that article posted here? The one about gaiters making it worse. If not, I'll find it and post.

Out of curiosity, how does a gaiter make it worse? i wouldn't wear one anyway but i just wonder why that is the case. Thanks

 

[musicaljoke]

I find it interesting that people I see outside are wearing masks, everywhere. And they have become quite a fashion trend. Masks with logos of sports teams are popular here, favorite college teams.

One guy I know, is very big, ethnic, (he is from Fiji). He wears a mask with Mickey Mouse, and Disney characters. I asked him if he was a huge Disney fan, he said that he is scary enough without a mask, (true), so he wears a "friendly" mask.

Ditto in these parts. People are really embracing the idea of wearing masks and are starting to get quite a collection of them with all manner of creative expression on the little bit of cloth. The majority are the type with elastics over the ears. I haven't seen any bandanas.

The local canoe sales person has a lovely one with blue waves and his company logo. The cedar building products company employees are wearing wood grain ones. Several First Nations folks are wearing gorgeous works of art. Kids have little princess or superman masks.

The only place where I've seen a little bit of resistance is among middle aged men (who I lovingly refer to as menopausal males because of their particular, under-studied period in life). This seems to be part of a wider trend. I am off to find a link.

eta:
Men, Canadians aged 45 to 59, most likely to not wear masks indoors, poll finds
Why men are less likely to wear face masks
Men are less likely to wear masks – another sign that toxic masculinity kills | Arwa Mahdawi

 

[CeeCeeCat]

I really enjoyed reading this article, about nostalgia and our ‘lost year’.
Not for the first time do I wish for a 2020 ‘re-set’ button...
Bella Mackie: Is It Really A Bad Idea To Give Into Rose-Tinted Nostalgia Right Now? — British Vogue

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/school-nurse-unsafe-reopening/2020/08/14/92011c48-dd84-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-c-right:homepage/story-ans#comments-wrapper

Most interesting article: nurse states her county in Georgia wanted school nurses to justify its unsafe re-opening plan. So she quit

Here are some of her more interesting comments:

" The district makes no provisions to check temperatures at the school's entrance and mask-wearing is optional. From personal experience-not just as a nurse, but as a single mother, I know that when a child feels under the weather, it is tempting to give them a fever- reducer and send them to school anyway, hoping for the best. That instinct will be catastrophic in a community where many people have been vocally skeptical about the severity or even the existence of the pandemic. they are impatient with what they see as over cautious restrictions. Our county's case count has been rising throughout June and July, as these plans were being drafted. It seems
inevitable that someone will come to school carrying the virus and we will have an
outbreak".

She goes on to state: "These new routines don't seem to be designed to stop viral spread and promote public health. they seem like products of magical thinking."

This is a wonderful article by a courageous woman who has the guts to say what obviously needed to be said and she decided to quit her position rather than be part
of what she perceives as a very unsafe situation.

 

[Simply Southern]

The article provides a question and answer that gives insight into the psychology of noncompliance.

Pandemic denial: Why some people can't accept Covid-19's realities - CNN

With so much information available about the severity of the coronavirus and the need to follow guidelines, some people still refuse to accept reality.

The denial manifests itself in many ways, whether that be refusing to wear a mask or attending large gatherings.

Using denial as a coping mechanism is not always a bad choice. Short-term, it gives someone the time to adjust to a situation. When it becomes a long-term crutch and puts others in harm's way, it can be dangerous.

There's also a psychology term called rationalism, which people often confuse with denial. It's a defense mechanism where people try to justify unacceptable behavior.

 

[drama_farmer]

I agree, mask mandates should be enforced but should not be the responsibility of the store without LE enforcement.

Certainly passing a mask law, helps everyone. Businesses and LE can't shoulder the burden without legislators stepping up and passing a law. All states and Congress have the power and authority to make make wearing illegal for all.

MOO...

Considering the speed of Congress, I'm slightly optimistic that we'll have an effective and widely accepted mask law for the 2119 Pandemic. Imo