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slowpoke said:
I do question the study on bandanas, at least the one I read about:
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https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243933652.html

I don’t know about you all, but to me a bandana is a square piece of fabric, and when you wear it, you fold it into a triangle first. So it would be TWO layers. I’m thinking the bandana they used for the study isn’t the kind that comes to my mind when I think of wearing a bandana. Anyone agree with me?
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Yes, I agree with you. I've worn bandanas for years and I have always folded them into a double layer.
 
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Simply Southern said:
Not in my opinion. I worked in HC, we've had extremely contagious diseases and especially infections for years. Granted not to the extent of Covid and I'm certainly not downplaying it.

HC workers are accustomed to universal precaution. Wearing mask, gloves, gowns, face sheilds is not new to prevent spread, especially during major flu outbreaks. Folks just never hear about it, as it not news that sells.

Yes, we've had HC worker infected with Covid, but we've had more that are not. Why .....Hospitals require HC workers to practice UP, medical school teach this, we practice in school and most hospitals will fire/ reprimand an employee on the spot for not following infection control procedures. It was biggie, long before Covid.

The problem is, most don't want to live in a bubble for their college experience. They've not had the life experiences that help us make the best decisions.

We've seen story after story from families who did not listening, did not believe the severity of Covid, begging us to wear a mask and listen to the health experts.

Recently a sports player tried to sneak his girlfriend into the bubble. The cost ...he lost his million dollar contract and can now enjoy the company of his girlfriend on a daily basis. Its stuff like this that will prevent teams from playing sports.

Some folks just aren't gonna follow the rules no matter the cost. If teams would/could follow the rules, like HC workers do they would be safe.

Yes, teams could play sports and all be safe, but lack of self discipline with prevent them. Moo...
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According to this NCAA statement, a big problem is COVID-19 and the heart. https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-cardiac-inflamation-coronavirus-myocarditis-concerns
In fact, the brewing heart issue is a topic on recent calls among the Power 5 conference medical task force, including commissioners and team doctors. Fear over myocarditis has reached the top level of the sport, with Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren having both privately expressed serious concern over the condition. One Power 5 team doctor, who is privy to conference commissioner calls, says the heart condition is a primary topic during discussions. “We discuss it on every call,” the doctor says under the condition of anonymity.

The issue reared its head Saturday in what was, to this point, the most significant college football news of the shutdown: The Mid-American Conference became the first FBS league to cancel its fall season. The MAC’s medical advisory board unanimously advised conference leaders to suspend the season. And while financial implications were a factor too (MAC schools, on a normal year, lose money on football), the long term and somewhat unknown health impacts of COVID-19 victims — including myocarditis — was an essential discussion point.

developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19. He will miss the 2020 season. The mother of an Indiana offensive lineman suggested in a Facebook post earlier this week that her son may have heart complications as an after effect of the virus.

At least one college football player has developed an enlarged heart after contracting COVID-19, a team trainer told SI under the condition of anonymity. The recovery time for such heart damage is a minimum of three months of no activity, says Martinez.

Martinez says he has heard from virtually every major college football conference this summer regarding the heart issue. Some of them are forging ahead, he says, with a plan to “pivot” if things go awry. “Others have said, ‘I think we oughta stop,’” says Martinez. “The MAC did that today.”

bleak day also for the top division in the NCAA. After the MAC canceled its season, the Big Ten paused its preseason practice. And on Friday, there was this from the NCAA’s chief medical expert, Brian Hainline: “Almost everything would have to be perfectly aligned to continue moving forward.”

Add another obstacle to the list: the heart.

ROSS DELLENGER
 
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Trino said:
According to this NCAA statement, a big problem is COVID-19 and the heart. https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-cardiac-inflamation-coronavirus-myocarditis-concerns
In fact, the brewing heart issue is a topic on recent calls among the Power 5 conference medical task force, including commissioners and team doctors. Fear over myocarditis has reached the top level of the sport, with Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren having both privately expressed serious concern over the condition. One Power 5 team doctor, who is privy to conference commissioner calls, says the heart condition is a primary topic during discussions. “We discuss it on every call,” the doctor says under the condition of anonymity.

The issue reared its head Saturday in what was, to this point, the most significant college football news of the shutdown: The Mid-American Conference became the first FBS league to cancel its fall season. The MAC’s medical advisory board unanimously advised conference leaders to suspend the season. And while financial implications were a factor too (MAC schools, on a normal year, lose money on football), the long term and somewhat unknown health impacts of COVID-19 victims — including myocarditis — was an essential discussion point.

developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19. He will miss the 2020 season. The mother of an Indiana offensive lineman suggested in a Facebook post earlier this week that her son may have heart complications as an after effect of the virus.

At least one college football player has developed an enlarged heart after contracting COVID-19, a team trainer told SI under the condition of anonymity. The recovery time for such heart damage is a minimum of three months of no activity, says Martinez.

Martinez says he has heard from virtually every major college football conference this summer regarding the heart issue. Some of them are forging ahead, he says, with a plan to “pivot” if things go awry. “Others have said, ‘I think we oughta stop,’” says Martinez. “The MAC did that today.”

bleak day also for the top division in the NCAA. After the MAC canceled its season, the Big Ten paused its preseason practice. And on Friday, there was this from the NCAA’s chief medical expert, Brian Hainline: “Almost everything would have to be perfectly aligned to continue moving forward.”

Add another obstacle to the list: the heart.

ROSS DELLENGER
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That is true and very concerning. I'm sure they are discussing this and factoring in the ability to make players wear mask, not be kissing on the girlfriend and hanging out with friends.

But if the team follows bubble/ quarantine procedures the risk is very low of contracting. Probably saver than the general public.

But as we have seen some, do not want to make the commitment to quarantine with the team. It's when they step out of the bubble that risk begins.

Some sports team members arrive at training camps already infected. Just like we are seeing many college and lower school students testing positive on the first day of school. That got the virus from somewhere before they came to school or training camp.

Its like any other highly infectious disease/virus, HIV, HPV, Hepatitis B and C, all have a high transmission rate. Some choose to protect themselves others do not.

Safety is in protection. Football players and certainly team owner would never send a team to the field without helmets , knee pad, and other protective gear. Players would have a hissy fit and refuse to play.

Not being able go to parties, see their girlfriends, hang out at the local gathering hole is the reason college teams may not be able to play.

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I didn't even know what one was, had to Google it.

ilovewings said:
Out of curiosity, how does a gaiter make it worse? i wouldn't wear one anyway but i just wonder why that is the case. Thanks
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What people don't seem to understand is that you can test negative on one day, and the next day be positive. A negative test, is a "snapshot" of that particular moment, you had the test done.
 
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Sundog said:
The study used the double-folded bandana. They have a picture of the traditional bandana included with their study, at the link below. The bandana did not do well for filtering expelled droplets when speaking. The study measured droplet transmission through various types of face masks, as well as mask alternatives, like bandanas and gaiters. There is a graph included with the study that shows how the various masks and mask-alternatives fared during the study. Gaiters, no mask at all, and bandanas didn't do well.

Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech
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Apparently, then, there are two different studies done by researchers that have been in the news recently, one by FAU (Florida Atlantic University) and the other Duke University. FAU used a single layer bandana and a Duke a folded one, so 2 layers. (Both studies do not rate the bandana as high as other types of face coverings. The FAU study did not test gaiters.

However, this article 4 reasons you shouldn’t trash your neck gaiter based on the new mask study - Wausau Pilot & Review
points out that the Duke study was more about constructing or creating a “cheap and easy way that many labs could test the relative effectiveness of masks.” So their emphasis was on the mechanics of their apparatus. They only used one mask of each type.

This Wausau article indicates, specifically in regard to neck gaiters : “Neck gaiters come in a wide variety of materials and thicknesses, too, and can be folded when worn, which would influence their effectiveness. “The study didn’t provide much detail on what the gaiters were made from, or how they were constructed,” which could affect how they work, Haas says.“
 
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I assume lack of healthcare plus homeless people seem to spend a lot of time outdoors. Jmo

Coronavirus hasn't devastated the homeless as many feared

When the coronavirus emerged in the U.S. this year, public health officials and advocates for the homeless feared the virus would rip through shelters and tent encampments, ravaging vulnerable people who often have chronic health issues.


They scrambled to move people into hotel rooms, thinned out crowded shelters and moved tents into designated spots at sanctioned outdoor camps.

While shelters saw some large COVID-19 outbreaks, the virus so far doesn't appear to have brought devastation to the homeless population as many feared. However, researchers and advocates say much is unknown about how the pandemic is affecting the estimated half-million people without housing in the U.S.
 
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Trump last week announced that Dr. Scott Atlas, a frequent guest on Fox News Channel, has joined the White House as a pandemic adviser. Atlas, the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center and a fellow at Stanford’s conservative Hoover Institution, has no expertise in public health or infectious diseases.

But he has long been a critic of coronavirus lockdowns and has campaigned for kids to return to the classroom and for the return of college sports, just like Trump.
Trump makes call for new White House doctor's virus advice
 
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Trino said:
The Rich and COVID-19. Parties. Private jets. Multiple homes. Education. Gotta read this and then take a deep breath.
"As a doctor recently told me, “Coronavirus is a poor person’s virus. "

“All These Rich People Can’t Stop Themselves”: The Luxe Quarantine Lives of Silicon Valley’s Elite
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Yes, the life of the rich and famous ....

"One California government official told me that some public school teachers are being enticed away to teach a single child in more affluent areas ..."

"Elon Musk (co-founder of PayPal), who has spent half the pandemic schilling conspiracy theories about COVID-19 or attacking Gavin Newsom for shuttering businesses, has seen his net worth skyrocket; last month it reached $70 billion ...."

"One investor worth several billion ........ he was in Miami when the numbers were lowest at the start of the pandemic; hopped over to Los Angeles when Florida got a bit dicey; and now that California is a hotbed, is in New York enjoying the season’s outdoor dining."
 
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slowpoke said:
I do question the study on bandanas, at least the one I read about:
Bolded by me:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243933652.html

I don’t know about you all, but to me a bandana is a square piece of fabric, and when you wear it, you fold it into a triangle first. So it would be TWO layers. I’m thinking the bandana they used for the study isn’t the kind that comes to my mind when I think of wearing a bandana. Anyone agree with me?
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This has probably been answered a few times, but since I work with fabric constantly, I'm going to give my two cents worth. And that is that I wouldn't pay 2 cents for any mask made of a double layer of bandana material. I'm sure someone can argue that they have a higher quality bandana that would work. But the fact is that most are so loosely woven that if you hold it up toward light coming in from a window, you will be able to clearly see the blinds and/or curtains in said window.

I have been struggling to find a nice, understated fabric for men's masks. I thought I had found some until I did the window test. Even though I would be adding two more layers of high quality fabric inside, I decided it would be reckless for me to use that fabric on the outside of the mask.

One of my favorite patrons came in with a doubled layer FedEx bandana as a mask. Normally, we chat a bit. Not this time. Even with a plastic screen between us, I found myself backing up and praying he would just take his book and leave.
 
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Simply Southern said:
Not per 100,000 population. John Hopkins shows deaths per 100k for US at 3.2 % Italy at 14%,

Of course we will show the most, as we have one of the largest population,

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
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I think you’re looking at the case:fatality ratio (lower because of America’s tremendous testing rate). You need to click on the tab below it - deaths per 100,000 - which shows the US and Italy around the same.

I’ve been shocked how fast the deaths per million has shot up in the US recently. At one point it was about half of the UKs horribly high number. Today the UK is on 609 and the US 523 and rising at a significantly faster rate.

Click on each country to see the charts. It has and could re-surge anywhere. Worrying.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 21,817,629 Cases and 772,751 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
 
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Sundog said:
According to Duke University study:

Least effective, however, were bandanas, knitted masks and neck fleeces (also called gaiter masks), the latter of which may be worse than wearing no mask at all. The researchers found that neck fleeces actually dispersed more spray into the air, not less, because the material broke down larger respiratory droplets into smaller particles.

"Considering that smaller particles are airborne longer than large droplets (larger droplets sink faster), the use of such a mask might be counterproductive,” the study's researchers wrote.

The 5 Most Effective Masks

1. Fitted N95 (no exhalation valve)

2. 3-layer surgical mask

3. Cotton-polypropylene-cotton mask

4. 2-layer polypropylene mask

5. 2-layer cotton, pleated style mask (Researchers tested three different 2-layer cotton, pleated-style masks. See the full study for photos and specific design details of all masks tested.)

The 3 Least Effective Masks

1. Gaiter-type neck fleece

2. Double-layer bandana

3. Knitted mask

List provided by AARP article based on results of Duke University Study.


Researchers Rank Face Mask By Effectiveness

Note that AARP article includes a hyperlink to Duke University Study that I posted earlier today.

ETA Link to Duke University Study
Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech
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A teen patron came in with a plastic beaded mask the other day. I was praying it had a decent lining that I just couldn't see. It was very creative but it also made me very nervous!
 
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Most international students stuck in Australia during the pandemic say they would tell their friends not to come and study here, after experiencing work exploitation and being locked out of coronavirus support payments, according to a university-led survey.

International students who have remained in the country are ineligible for federal wage subsidies like JobKeeper or JobSeeker, despite stranded Australian students being offered wage help while they remain stuck in countries such as the UK, Canada and Ireland.

Most international students would tell others not to come to Australia after coronavirus response
 
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JaneEyre said:
A teen patron came in with a plastic beaded mask the other day. I was praying it had a decent lining that I just couldn't see. It was very creative but it also made me very nervous!
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One of our local businesses is making masks with the image of your face. You just send in a photo of your smile, and they make a double layered, pleated, polycotton mask of it. They are quite realistic looking and quite a hoot. Want a nose ring, a gold tooth, a lovely beard? No problem.
 
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TootsieFootsie said:
Most international students stuck in Australia during the pandemic say they would tell their friends not to come and study here, after experiencing work exploitation and being locked out of coronavirus support payments, according to a university-led survey.

International students who have remained in the country are ineligible for federal wage subsidies like JobKeeper or JobSeeker, despite stranded Australian students being offered wage help while they remain stuck in countries such as the UK, Canada and Ireland.

Most international students would tell others not to come to Australia after coronavirus response
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I was sad to see, in the 60 Minutes 'In the red zone' segment last night, an international student battling covid while all alone in our country.

Though the doctor did say that every covid patient is battling on their own. With only pairs of screened medical eyes communicating their empathy and concern to them.

I guess many of the international students have decided not to be repatriated to their own countries during this pandemic, for one reason or another.
 
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Australia has suffered another grim coronavirus milestone, with Victoria announcing a record 25 deaths in one day.

But new Victorian case numbers were again under 300 as the state's outbreak continues to show tentative signs of easing.

Australia hits grim record with 25 deaths
 
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