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You had a high saturation of cases per million. I wonder if part of it might be herd immunity?

That's what I'm thinking. The graphs of our "Partners in Crime," Florida, Georgia and Texas are similar - especially hospitalizations. It's almost like an area gets such a concentration of infection at one time, that the virus has no place else to go.
 
  • #442
This is a much more detailed story about the death of the Florida pastor IMO.

Man who believed virus was hoax loses wife to Covid-19

Part of the article below.

But after the couple fell ill with the virus in May, Brian took to Facebook in a viral post to explain that he'd been misled by what he'd seen online about the virus.

"If you have to go out please use wisdom and don't be foolish like I was so the same thing won't happen to you like it happened to me and my wife," he wrote.

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In May, a BBC team tracking coronavirus misinformation found links to assaults, arson and deaths.

Continued at link.
 
  • #443
Those "travel bubbles" sounded like an OK idea, but now that they've seen how easy it is for the virus to find fertile ground, can they ever risk it? What happens when a case is introduced when an airplane mechanic touches something on a plane? Perhaps, being an OCD sufferer, I am aware of the signs, but sometimes it looks like virus elimination takes on obsessive characteristics. I'm really shocked that the latest Melbourne lockdown has been peaceful and compliant - I predicted it would start fraying after a couple weeks. But what happens next time?

Enough doom and gloom, Mr X. :D

The Premier of Victoria is getting the legal length of a State of Emergency extended - in that state - so it can be in place if they need it again.

The travel bubbles are a great idea - but they keep getting postponed until 'later'. Because the virus keeps on finding these island retreats. We have potential travel bubbles set up with some Pacific Islands, with NZ, and Hawaii wants a travel bubble with us. But of course that cannot happen yet due to virus outbreaks in almost all locations.

We are doing - comparitively - really well. And Dr Fauci commended us for that the other night. And we will continue to do as well as possible, I feel confident of that, because we comply with the good sense of what we are doing. It fits our kind of society. It may not fit the US ideology, but we are fine with that. :)
 
  • #444
"The Tri-Town Baptist Church in East Millinocket is understood to have held the wedding ceremony. " I wonder if the church will be cited, or just the Inn?

Given all of the testing difficulties, long lag times, absence of any coherent contact tracing strategy, etc., this seems pretty amazing. If Maine is able, in exactly 14 days, to trace a death back to an event that the deceased did not attend, then their system should be making the national news.

Why would efficient contact tracing make headline news? Maine isn't overwhelmed with CoVid like some other states, so I would expect that they could trace the source quite quickly. I certainly expect our Public Health units to be able to trace to the source within a few days.
 
  • #445
You had a high saturation of cases per million. I wonder if part of it might be herd immunity?

If so, we can expect a lot more people to die in Arizona. Best estimates for this virus is that it needs to get to about 70% of the population. Highest numbers of positivity are on the East Coast, where some places may have 50%. California sits at about 7-10%. Arizona looks like about 10-15% to me. Long way to go, lots of sick people for the next year and CoVid floating in public for the next two years.

Hopefully, some vaccine will work. That report of the reinfected man in Hong Kong (young, mild first case) is disturbing - he's now shedding again.

There are lots of viruses for which there is no herd immunity and virologists are not optimistic about lifetime immunity for this. Hopefully, though, the next case will be milder (although the guy in Hong Kong just seems to be sick again - the way the flu works).
 
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If so, we can expect a lot more people to die in Arizona. Best estimates for this virus is that it needs to get to about 70% of the population. Highest numbers of positivity are on the East Coast, where some places may have 50%. California sits at about 7-10%. Arizona looks like about 10-15% to me. Long way to go, lots of sick people for the next year and CoVid floating in public for the next two years.

Hopefully, some vaccine will work. That report of the reinfected man in Hong Kong (young, mild first case) is disturbing - he's now shedding again.

There are lots of viruses for which there is no herd immunity and virologists are not optimistic about lifetime immunity for this. Hopefully, though, the next case will be milder (although the guy in Hong Kong just seems to be sick again - the way the flu works).
I agree. People keep spouting off about herd immunity like it is guaranteed. We never got herd immunity to polio or most of the childhood diseases. Herd immunity only came with vaccines.
 
  • #448

Along similar lines, I get tired of the media giving airtime to these people who are moaning about not being able to go to another state. Really? There are a lot of us who cannot go to our loved ones. But we are healthy, and we can communicate face to face over lots of apps .... as many times each day as we want without restriction.
And that will have to do for them, in the same way that it has to do for all of us.

It is much better than getting the virus, losing your life, and never seeing your loved ones again.

I do feel sad for the elderly who lose their lives without a loved one holding their hand, but other than that it is a no brainer to me.
 
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  • #449
Ok so total was 22 including the Nebraska and 1 Sturgis case so 12 more means 34 total that we know of so far. Another few days and we should not expect any more hopefully.
Unless, of course, the positives spread it to others.
 
  • #450
That's what I'm thinking. The graphs of our "Partners in Crime," Florida, Georgia and Texas are similar - especially hospitalizations. It's almost like an area gets such a concentration of infection at one time, that the virus has no place else to go.

I wonder what the estimates are of undiagnosed positives.
 
  • #451
I have a friend whose father is turning 90 next week. She is stuck in a far away state - due to closed borders - and cannot be with him. She asked all of her FB friends if they would like to send a card to him. You can imagine the response "Yes, PM me his address" "Does he like chocolate? Please PM me his address".

He is going to get so many cards and gifts from people he does and doesn't know. :)
 
  • #452
Unless, of course, the positives spread it to others.
Hopefully, that won't happen as they have clearly been traced so should now be in quarantine, if the tracing system works.
 
  • #453
Hopefully, that won't happen as they have clearly been traced so should now be in quarantine, if the tracing system works.

A bit more than we've heard.
Health departments in four states, including South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wyoming, have reported a total of 76 cases among people who attended the rally. South Dakota health officials said Monday they had received reports of infections from residents of two other states — North Dakota and Washington.
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Attendees Spreading COVID-19 Infections Fast, Far
 
  • #454
Can't be cases! Guv says "no masks needed" humm....

Revved by Sturgis Rally, COVID-19 infections move fast, far :rolleyes: o_O :mad:

August 24, 2020, 5:30 PM EDT
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People congregates at One-Eyed Jack's Saloon during the 80th annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally on Aug. 7, 2020, in Sturgis, South Dakota. The South Dakota Department of Health issued warnings that two people who had visited the bar may have transmitted COVID-19.

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Health departments in four states, including South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wyoming, have reported a total of 81 cases among people who attended the rally. South Dakota health officials said Monday they had received reports of infections from residents of two other states — North Dakota and Washington. The Department of Health also issued public warnings of possible COVID-19 exposure at five businesses popular with bikers, saying it didn't know how many people could have been exposed.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, a Republican, has defied calls to cancel large gatherings and opposes requirements to wear masks. She welcomed the event, which in previous years brought in about $800 million in tourist spending, according to the state's Department of Tourism.
 
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A bit more than we've heard.
Health departments in four states, including South Dakota, Minnesota, Nebraska and Wyoming, have reported a total of 76 cases among people who attended the rally. South Dakota health officials said Monday they had received reports of infections from residents of two other states — North Dakota and Washington.
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Attendees Spreading COVID-19 Infections Fast, Far
81 cases across 5 states now according to OP.

(Nebraska, Minnesota, North Dakota, Washington and Wyoming.)
 
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I wonder what the estimates are of undiagnosed positives.
I just had a look at the US states on worldometers and there is a column headed test per million. The highest state with 10 million tests, is California with nearly 300,000 tests per million population. Arizona is nearly 200,000 tests per million. So if they have identified and quarantined a lot of their positives, this could help enormously. MOO.

United States Coronavirus: 5,914,895 Cases and 181,103 Deaths - Worldometer

(There is a feature that is really helpful as you can sort by any column just by clicking on the header.)

Total deaths have been below 1000 for two days running 554 yesterday and 499 today. Hopefully this trend will continue. Perhaps the plasma is helping as highlighted yesterday by Trump in his PC.
 
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Another COVID-19 Medical Mystery: Patients Come Off Ventilator But Linger In A Coma
August 24, 20205:01 AM ET
MARTHA BEBINGER

Leslie Cutitta said yes, twice, when clinicians from Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston called asking whether she wanted them to take — and then continue — extreme measures to keep her husband, Frank Cutitta, alive.
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So the Cutittas hung on and a small army of ICU caregivers kept working. On April 21, after 27 days on a ventilator, Frank's lungs had recovered enough to remove the breathing tube.

After the removal, it typically takes hours, maybe a day, for the patient to return to consciousness. The body needs that time to clear the drugs that keep the patient sedated and comfortable — able to tolerate intubation and mechanical ventilation. But doctors across the U.S. and in other countries have noted a troubling phenomenon associated with some COVID-19 cases: Even after extubation, some patients remain unconscious for days, weeks or longer. There's no official term for the problem, but it's being called a "prolonged" or "persistent" coma or unresponsiveness.

Frank Cutitta, 68, was one of those patients. He just didn't wake up.
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"Because this disease is so new and because there are so many unanswered questions about COVID-19, we currently do not have reliable tools to predict how long it will take any individual patient to recover consciousness," says Dr. Brian Edlow, a critical care neurologist at Mass General.

Given all the unknowns, doctors at the hospital have had a hard time advising families when a patient has remained unresponsive for weeks, post-ventilator. Some families in that situation have decided to remove other life supports so the patient can die. Edlow can't say how many.

"It is very difficult for us to determine whether any given patient's future will bring a quality of life that would be acceptable to them," Edlow says, "based on what they've told their families or written in a prior directive."
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This is a story worth reading IMO.

In short, Frank Cutitta did eventually wake up. He and his wife praised Mass General Hospital doctors and nurses for their efforts to help him recover.

It's terrible to think of patients in this situation who died because hospital resources were insufficient to provide the care needed. It's also terrible for those who survive but suffer from severe problems as a result. MOO

Every time i read more horror stories about the complications of this virus, i
cant get over how little we know about it, and how evil it is..This man is fortunate
the didnt disconnect him from other life support measures.
This is a much more detailed story about the death of the Florida pastor IMO.

Man who believed virus was hoax loses wife to Covid-19

Part of the article below.

But after the couple fell ill with the virus in May, Brian took to Facebook in a viral post to explain that he'd been misled by what he'd seen online about the virus.

"If you have to go out please use wisdom and don't be foolish like I was so the same thing won't happen to you like it happened to me and my wife," he wrote.

Skip Facebook post by Brian Lee
Report
End of Facebook post by Brian Lee

In May, a BBC team tracking coronavirus misinformation found links to assaults, arson and deaths.

Continued at link.
This is a much more detailed story about the death of the Florida pastor IMO.

Man who believed virus was hoax loses wife to Covid-19

Part of the article below.

But after the couple fell ill with the virus in May, Brian took to Facebook in a viral post to explain that he'd been misled by what he'd seen online about the virus.

"If you have to go out please use wisdom and don't be foolish like I was so the same thing won't happen to you like it happened to me and my wife," he wrote.

Skip Facebook post by Brian Lee
Report
End of Facebook post by Brian Lee

In May, a BBC team tracking coronavirus misinformation found links to assaults, arson and deaths.

Continued at link.

This is a situation when it is not good to not, shall we say, be very smart or use critical thinking to evaluate something as serious as a pandemic for themselves- instead they rely on garbage yak on Facebook ----
 
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I just had a look at the US states on worldometers and there is a column headed test per million. The highest state is California with nearly 500,000 tests per million population. Arizona is nearly 300,000 tests per million. So if they have identified and quarantined a lot of their positives, this could help enormously. MOO.

United States Coronavirus: 5,914,895 Cases and 181,103 Deaths - Worldometer

(There is a feature that is really helpful as you can sort by any column just by clicking on the header.)
Huh. I don't understand. I've been following these numbers for quite some time, and what you report is not at all what I see:
Alaska is 1st with 447,601 tests/1M people
California is 13th with 269,600 tests/1M people
Arizona is 30th with 194,590 tests/1M people

Any idea why we'd see such drastically different stats?
 
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