Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #76

[ilovewings]

YAY! I'm so glad - you will sleep better once results are in (he's probable fine - they were outdoors). But better safe than sorry.

Thank you for your initial response- it reinforced for me that my husband needed a test ASAP---- hoping he will be negative!!!!!

32 year old worker in GA (UGA) dies of CoVid contracted at work; she was afraid to go to work

She worked cleaning buildings. Died 6 days after going home with symptoms, on her way to the hospital.

So much of her story is so common to people with the Virus: she tested positive, she had symptoms, but then she thought she was getting better. Then she died. I have read stories of too many people who appeared to be getting better, --- just before they got so much worse and died. ugh

 

[musicaljoke]

Let me know how it goes!!!! it all went well for hubby- I am kind of squeamish about having that swab going down my nose- i haven't had the test myself----

I'm back! It happened so fast, I barely had a chance to look around. I had no wait time, and was the only one getting a test. This is done in a little outbuilding behind the local hospital. It has a tiny negative pressure room with a chair and some kind of ventilation machine that takes air out of the room and brings in fresh air from outside.

There were two staff, both in full PPE .. one took my health card with a disinfectant cloth, cleaned it, swiped it, and gave it back. Book work done. The nurse showed me the swab, which is like a mini bottle brush, about a third of the size of a Q-Tip. She swiped it in the back of my nose, which felt like something between a tickle and an ouchie.

Then I was handed a pkg with instructions for finding my results, which are expected tomorrow. I forgot to ask where my sample would be sent. We live on an island, a couple of hours from the outskirts of nowhere.

So, I was expecting it to feel like someone was sucking out my brains. But it wasn't nearly as unpleasant. All just part of the Covid experience.

 

[tresir2012]

Study doesn’t show that children are ‘silent super-spreaders’ of coronavirus

 

[musicaljoke]

Ooo Have you been sick ? Were you exposed?
Good luck to you both !

(Not been tested...yet. Surely before this is all over. I Figure the swab can’t be worse than childbirth. I tend to Be even less confident of the short swab “easier“ version)

No, not sick and not exposed. This is just a pre-screening routine for a medical appointment next week.

 

[musicaljoke]

Unfortunately, the JAMA article didn't go all the way to that conclusion - because the swab data wasn't enough. While the kids have tons of CoVid in their noses, other studies show that CoVid doesn't take root in children's lungs (I don't know about the age group specifics). I can see how the reporter thought it stood to reason, though.

Since it really is the lungs that are expelling when we shout, breathe, sing and talk, that needs to be known. And since kids have less powerful lungs (and not much CoVId in them in the first place, apparently), they do not seem to propel as many virions and certainly not as far.

Interestingly, there are studies showing that kids' noses take on new viruses very well, so that the lung thing doesn't happen - but also, apparently kids' lungs do not have the same structure as older lungs, so that CoVId isn't causing the body-wide disease nor is it causing much lung damage in kids.

There are definitely exceptions - and bigger kids (I've read any kid 10 and over) would have the ability to propel out of their lungs (if it got there). But the studies show that it's the 3-5 year olds (more or less) who have so many virions in their lungs, and yet, we have almost no pre-school outbreaks so far. It's really weird, but I'm guessing more study is needed about the lungs.

Thing is, the techniques used to find out how much virus is in the lungs are very invasive and cannot be done on children merely for diagnostic purposes. MRI is used for imaging in adults. Not all adults get CoVid in their lungs either, but those who do range from moderately to severely ill.

So sneezing would be the way kids transmit CoVid, I would think. Not so much coughing. Before this pandemic I would have said that surely most parents would keep their kids home if they were sneezing - but I know longer believe that. Also, allergies are constant in the classroom, so a kid with lots of CoVId who is sneezing for some other reason..would still spread it.

Kids would also get it on their hands a lot, I'd think.

What about tonsils? Do they have a role to play in protecting kids?

 

[ilovewings]

I'm back! It happened so fast, I barely had a chance to look around. I had no wait time, and was the only one getting a test. This is done in a little outbuilding behind the local hospital. It has a tiny negative pressure room with a chair and some kind of ventilation machine that takes air out of the room and brings in fresh air from outside.

There were two staff, both in full PPE .. one took my health card with a disinfectant cloth, cleaned it, swiped it, and gave it back. Book work done. The nurse showed me the swab, which is like a mini bottle brush, about a third of the size of a Q-Tip. She swiped it in the back of my nose, which felt like something between a tickle and an ouchie.

Then I was handed a pkg with instructions for finding my results, which are expected tomorrow. I forgot to ask where my sample would be sent. We live on an island, a couple of hours from the outskirts of nowhere.

So, I was expecting it to feel like someone was sucking out my brains. But it wasn't nearly as unpleasant. All just part of the Covid experience.

glad it wasnt like your brains were being sucked out (your description made
me laugh)---- well now its done--i am sure it will be negative, but with this
test you can have piece of mind-- take care

 

[JudgeJoe]

Study doesn’t show that children are ‘silent super-spreaders’ of coronavirus

My issue with these “studies” is that the definition of “children” is unclear & fluctuating to suit the agenda of the message. The best clarification I’ve seen yet is that age 10 & under don’t become super-spreaders, but those over 10 are as contagious as any adult. Elementary schools serve kids 5-12ish, so really any level of school contains the same risk as any workplace. Mixed openings in the workforce. Banks, insurance, medical clinics, transportation, adult ed, colleges, are still functioning virtually or in limited capacity. Really don’t believe eled, middle or HS is safe yet. Moo
Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds

 

[pocketaccent]

Moderna and Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine candidates require ultra-low temperatures, raising questions about storage, distribution

The COVID-19 vaccine candidates being developed by Moderna Inc. and BioNTech and Pfizer Inc. will require stringent standards for refrigeration, and that may hamper how they are distributed to the hundreds of millions of Americans expecting to receive them.
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Executives from Moderna and Pfizer on Wednesday separately told the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice on Wednesday that mRNA-1273, which is Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine candidate, requires a storage temperature of negative 4 degrees Fahrenheit. BioNTech and Pfizer’s candidates, BN1162b2 and BNT162b2, need to be stored in negative 94 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said they are aware of the issue.
Dr. Kathleen Dooling, a medical officer for the agency’s division of viral diseases, said Wednesday that storage, distribution, and handling requirements of these vaccines “will make it very difficult for community clinics and local pharmacies to store and administer.” She also noted that most vaccines will have to be “administered at centralized sites with adequate equipment and high throughput.”
...

 

[mickey2942]

Whistleblowing is a component of activism and an act of good citizenship. MOO

Unless you work for the government. Then, "Whistleblowing" is equivalent to career suicide.

 

[SouthAussie]

Unfortunately, the JAMA article didn't go all the way to that conclusion - because the swab data wasn't enough. While the kids have tons of CoVid in their noses, other studies show that CoVid doesn't take root in children's lungs (I don't know about the age group specifics). I can see how the reporter thought it stood to reason, though.

Since it really is the lungs that are expelling when we shout, breathe, sing and talk, that needs to be known. And since kids have less powerful lungs (and not much CoVId in them in the first place, apparently), they do not seem to propel as many virions and certainly not as far.

Interestingly, there are studies showing that kids' noses take on new viruses very well, so that the lung thing doesn't happen - but also, apparently kids' lungs do not have the same structure as older lungs, so that CoVId isn't causing the body-wide disease nor is it causing much lung damage in kids.

There are definitely exceptions - and bigger kids (I've read any kid 10 and over) would have the ability to propel out of their lungs (if it got there). But the studies show that it's the 3-5 year olds (more or less) who have so many virions in their lungs, and yet, we have almost no pre-school outbreaks so far. It's really weird, but I'm guessing more study is needed about the lungs.

Thing is, the techniques used to find out how much virus is in the lungs are very invasive and cannot be done on children merely for diagnostic purposes. MRI is used for imaging in adults. Not all adults get CoVid in their lungs either, but those who do range from moderately to severely ill.

So sneezing would be the way kids transmit CoVid, I would think. Not so much coughing. Before this pandemic I would have said that surely most parents would keep their kids home if they were sneezing - but I know longer believe that. Also, allergies are constant in the classroom, so a kid with lots of CoVId who is sneezing for some other reason..would still spread it.

Kids would also get it on their hands a lot, I'd think.

In addition to little kids having less lung power, I have also read that because they are small their viral germs may not spread upwards to be breathed in by adults and taller people.

 

[tresir2012]

CDC COVID Data Tracker

CDC death statistics by state. Does anyone know why they have three columns, total deaths, confirmed and probable for some states? They also have the same three columns for the cases table also.
State/Territory Total Deaths Confirmed Probable
New York City*
23,674
19,037
4,637
New Jersey
15,914
14,134
1,780
California
12,407
N/A
N/A
Texas
11,805
N/A
N/A
Florida
10,733
N/A
N/A

Continued at link.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm sure that was the feeling in Leipzig, Moscow and East Berlin at one time.

There have been many good whistleblowers throughout the years in the US. People who have exposed many bad and corrupt things. Things that have harmed other people in one way or another.

There are many sources about it, here is one:

A Timeline of US Whistleblowers - Government Accountability Project

 

[weepingangel]

Mass. COVID-19 Cluster Traced To Rhode Island Bachelorette Party
Massachusetts more at link
Nineteen guests who attended the late July gathering at an undisclosed location were sickened, authorities said. Seventeen were from Massachusetts.

“There was a bachelorette party with roughly 20 people held in late July,” Joseph Wendelken, a spokesman for the Rhode Island Department of Health told The Providence Journal on Wednesday. “The group was mostly from Massachusetts. The Massachusetts Department of Public Health did the contact tracing around the many people from Massachusetts who got sick.


Maine inn at center of wedding COVID-19 outbreak has business license suspended by state
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AUGUSTA, Maine (WABI) - The state has pulled the license for the Millinocket Inn linked to a COVID-19 outbreak that’s now infected 87 people.

It came after a wedding in town on August 7th, then a reception at the Big Moose Inn.

The inn was initially given a citation by the state.
We learned on Thursday the business license has now been suspended.


Maine CDC: 87 COVID-19 Cases Now Associated With Millinocket Wedding
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Shah said 30 of the infected individuals attended the wedding, and they infected another 35 people. Those people in turn infected another 22. Fifty-nine of the 87 people had symptoms of COVID-19.

"It suggests that there was already transmission happening in Penobscot County by those attendees, and when they came together it was sort of like a powder keg that was giving off sparks, and generated a higher than expected number of cases. That high number of cases then seeded the platform for more cases to pop up elsewhere."

In addition, Shah said state health officials continue to looking for potential links to four cases among members of the Sanford, Buxton and Saco fire departments.



Maine inn at center of wedding COVID-19 outbreak has business license suspended by state
Because of the outbreak, East Millinocket schools are delaying the state of the school year by two weeks.

Officials said two students and six school department employees, including the superintendent, have tested positive for the virus.

Officials said a school staff member was hired as a musician at the wedding reception at the Big Moose Inn. Other staff also attended the wedding.

 

[tresir2012]

Coronavirus: New virus hotspots emerge in Australia

One further death with coronavirus in Wales

How many confirmed cases are there in your area?

South Dakota State News Home

Correction to SD data dashboard.

 

[Lilibet]

ADHS creates hotline, website where the public can submit COVID-19 safety violations

Great - State doesn't have enough resources for enforcement, so they're taking a page out the NKVD playbook. I wonder what could possibly go wrong? "My ex is being a jerk about child support, so I'm going to report his gym so they have to close!"

First of all, the disgruntled spouse scenario is so unlikely as to be laughable, and a man could use it as revenge just as easily as a women. Rather sexist don’t you think? Any business reported will be investigated and not just automatically closed down based on a report. Secondly, this bears no relationship at all to the NKVD or any other kind of secret police like the KGB. That comparison is disrespectful to those who have been victims of the KGB, etc IMO. But, of course certain citizens refer to the governor of Oregon as a Nazi because of her sensible mandates that intrude on their freeeeeedom, so I guess they would have this attitude that it’s a conspiracy to rob them of their rights. Too bad. Public health needs have always superseded individual rights, for the good of society as a whole. Nothing sinister to see here.

If businesses and their customers would cooperate, there would be no need for supervision, but since there is no way for the State to be everywhere at once, a mechanism for reporting makes sense. Our county public health department has an online reporting form that I used last week regarding a bar not complying with social distancing. If it causes the bar to take this seriously and prevents someone at the bar from spreading coronavirus around our community I make no apologies.
JMO

 

[tresir2012]

First of all, the disgruntled spouse scenario is so unlikely as to be laughable, and a man could use it as revenge just as easily as a women. Rather sexist don’t you think? Any business reported will be investigated and not just automatically closed down based on a report. Secondly, this bears no relationship at all to the NKVD or any other kind of secret police like the KGB. That comparison is disrespectful to those who have been victims of the KGB, etc IMO. But, of course certain citizens refer to the governor of Oregon as a Nazi because of her sensible mandates that intrude on their freeeeeedom, so I guess they would have this attitude that it’s a conspiracy to rob them of their rights. Too bad. Public health needs have always superseded individual rights, for the good of society as a whole. Nothing sinister to see here.

If businesses and their customers would cooperate, there would be no need for supervision, but since there is no way for the State to be everywhere at once, a mechanism for reporting makes sense. Our county public health department has an online reporting form that I used last week regarding a bar not complying with social distancing. If it causes the bar to take this seriously and prevents someone at the bar from spreading coronavirus around our community I make no apologies.
JMO

I think it is very likely to get time wasting calls. I also don't see such an extreme as necessary anyway if contact tracing is used and effective. Is there evidence that bars aren't cooperating? I had not seen that but could have missed it.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it is very likely to get time wasting calls. I also don't see such an extreme as necessary anyway if contact tracing is used and effective. Is there evidence that bars aren't cooperating? I had not seen that but could have missed it.

Upstate vs. Downstate: Where are the NY bars nailed for coronavirus violations?

Houston bar shut down over weekend for violating COVID-19 restrictions, authorities say

Violation leads to alcohol license suspension at downtown Orlando bars

 

[MimosaMornings]

I think it is very likely to get time wasting calls. I also don't see such an extreme as necessary anyway if contact tracing is used and effective. Is there evidence that bars aren't cooperating? I had not seen that but could have missed it.

JMO
If you asked for ID going into the bar, it would only be marginally effective. How do you find people without US identification?

 

[tresir2012]

JMO
If you asked for ID going into the bar, it would only be marginally effective. How do you find people without US identification?

In the UK the bars take down patrons' details. I don't know what is done in the US. Some bars only take contactless card payments, which would also have name and address details.

 

[LadyL]

COVID-19 survivor who spent 64 days in Burbank hospital, had most of his fingers amputated: ‘This can happen to you’ | KTLA