Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #77

[24Roses]

Iowa news today: As of 10:00-11:00 a.m. today, we had 558 new confirmed cases for a total of 70,314 confirmed cases of which 49,869 have recovered (+209). 2 more had passed away for a total of 1,167. Sept. 7: Iowa has over 70,000 total positive cases
Iowa COVID-19 Information
University of Iowa shares 175 more self-reported cases of COVID-19
Des Moines students 'march for fairness' after state stops after-school activities
University of Northern Iowa reports 45 more COVID-19 cases Monday

 

[musicaljoke]

Apparently, it is going to help with specific treatments for moderate to severe CoVid, including some drugs already on the market.

My fear is that with so much new research on CoVid, many doctors are not going to be up to date on treatments. The drugs thought to help with the bradykine storm are not all that common.

I have 2 children who are MD's and both say that their medical colleges keep them informed. One is getting around 80 emails a day with data, treatments, research, etc.. more than a doctor can read in a day. It's hard to sort out what's important, and what can be deleted.

 

[mickey2942]

IMO it is totally irresponsible to open any school right now. Check the stats. Cases are still high. People are sick/dying.

I agree. This was probably the year to do college classes online.

 

[musicaljoke]

I'm very surprised people are building new homes and spec homes during the pandemic. I wonder if part of it is the extremely low interest rates, you can get loans and mortgages for almost free. Meanwhile the stock market is uncertain, so perhaps people continue turning to real estate as the way to build their personal wealth.

Yes, and in addition, they may realise that having a home is safer than living in an apartment. We have a dreadful local housing shortage right now. Snow birds, who normally live in the southern US, are needing winter housing, plus people working from home can suddenly live anywhere they want to, and many are choosing to move out of the cities. There's a waiting list for houses, so real estate signs don't even go up when a house comes on the market.

 

[Sundog]

Yes, and in addition, they may realise that having a home is safer than living in an apartment. We have a dreadful local housing shortage right now. Snow birds, who normally live in the southern US, are needing winter housing, plus people working from home can suddenly live anywhere they want to, and many are choosing to move out of the cities. There's a waiting list for houses, so real estate signs don't even go up when a house comes on the market.

In our region, realtors have started putting out signs and listing online as "Coming Soon" and usually the house is sold in advance of the first open house.

 

[Satchie]

I still believe the real estate markets will be taking a real nose dive--corporately with excess commercial real estate; less convention spending that keeps hotels alive; and for individuals more evictions and greater inability to cover mortgages....

Yes, I think it's a very bad time to build a hotel, unless you're an incurable optimist. I think even if this virus is defeated, big conferences will be one of the last activities to resume. And even then, IMO people will be much more wary about the next infectious disease coming along. That, and the convenience and familiarity of online meetings, plus concerns about climate change, could see many people seriously rethinking the amount of long distance travel they do.

 

[Bravo]

Houses here in SW Ontario are going quickly and often bidding wars.

 

[Tigerlily75]

I can only speak to the rental market, but there’s an abundance of available apartments here in Melbourne, and prices have dropped dramatically. I’ve never seen anything like it. I took advantage and move to a new apartment next weekend.

Moving during a strict lockdown is also interesting. The tip (refuse station) is closed to the public, op shops (thrift stores) are closed for donations, and I’ve had to buy everything I need online which sometimes results in “oh that’s not quite what I thought it would be”.

We put a heap of stuff out on the nature strip from furniture to toys to books and the whole lot is gone!

 

[Willow Knight]

I am wondering if people still feel the need to stockpile for the second wave?

It seems to me that it is not so urgent now.

What do you all think?

I also wonder the same thing. My house is able to survive two months, more if necessary. Lots of powdered milk and beans. LOL Prescriptions may be the only issue I can think of right now. What are ya'll thoughts for the coming months? We don't know how this is going to play out, so I'm very curious as to what websleuth people think. Please don't think I'm trying to predict, this is just the way I feel, thinking if we don't shut down again, we are going to have a bad outbreak. One that has me very frightened. People I'm scared, very. Also, I don't want to be tricked into thinking there will be a safe vaccine.

 

[Bravo]

I also wonder the same thing. My house is able to survive two months, more if necessary. Lots of powdered milk and beans. LOL Prescriptions may be the only issue I can think of right now. What are ya'll thoughts for the coming months? We don't know how this is going to play out, so I'm very curious as to what websleuth people think. Please don't think I'm trying to predict, this is just the way I feel, thinking if we don't shut down again, we are going to have a bad outbreak. One that has me very frightened. People I'm scared, very. Also, I don't want to be tricked into thinking there will be a safe vaccine.

It's ok to be scared. Good you are talking about it and sharing your feelings. That's important. I do think we will see cases increase with winter coming and folks gathering indoors. Then there are schools. I look to the trusted in Science once a vaccine is available. You know how to keep yourself safe. You have got this. Sending you a big virtual hug. Free feel to share anytime. I'm on Ontario Canada were things presently are under control. Yet I do know that can change quickly. Be safe.

 

[Satchie]

I also wonder the same thing. My house is able to survive two months, more if necessary. Lots of powdered milk and beans. LOL Prescriptions may be the only issue I can think of right now. What are ya'll thoughts for the coming months? We don't know how this is going to play out, so I'm very curious as to what websleuth people think. Please don't think I'm trying to predict, this is just the way I feel, thinking if we don't shut down again, we are going to have a bad outbreak. One that has me very frightened. People I'm scared, very. Also, I don't want to be tricked into thinking there will be a safe vaccine.

If I were living in a nursing home or similar close quarters, where I was highly vulnerable to bad effects, and couldn't easily social distance, I'd be scared. But I'm grateful I can pretty much stay home and be safe. It makes sense to me that what is normally cold and flu season, will be a very bad time for coronavirus as well.

 

[LadyL]

Is Isolation Killing America’s Nursing Home Residents?

 

[SouthAussie]

It's ok to be scared. Good you are talking about it and sharing your feelings. That's important. I do think we will see cases increase with winter coming and folks gathering indoors. Then there are schools. I look to the trusted in Science once a vaccine is available. You know how to keep yourself safe. You have got this. Sending you a big virtual hug. Free feel to share anytime. I'm on Ontario Canada were things presently are under control. Yet I do know that can change quickly. Be safe.

My state's virus-free condition lasted 12 days. Then someone got on a plane in Victoria and landed here ... and tested covid positive. They were quickly put into a medi-hotel, along with their 5 cousins who travelled with them. Then comes the process of testing everyone on the plane and any others who may have been affected.

I just don't get why the airlines are not checking these travellers exemptions before they get on a plane. This person claimed they had an exemption to travel, but they didn't. Surely they would have an email, a letter, some official document to say they were exempted. Something the airlines had to view before allowing people to get on their planes. They can check passports easily. Why not supposed exemptions? It took my state's airport officials a nano-second to know the person had no exemption.

And thank goodness it was jumped on here, as this person and five cousins were on their way to Alice Springs, which is in another state and has a high volume of more-easily-affected indigenous people.

 

[musicaljoke]

An interesting article in the NEJM:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2020926?query=featured_coronavirus#bt1

[...]Bringing a vaccine to market is only half the challenge; also critical is ensuring a high enough vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity. Concerningly, a recent poll found that only 49% of Americans planned to get vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2.1

One option for increasing vaccine uptake is to require it[...]

SIX TRIGGER CRITERIA FOR STATE COVID-19 VACCINATION MANDATES.

Covid-19 is not adequately contained in the state.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices has recommended vaccination for the groups for which a mandate is being considered.

The supply of vaccine is sufficient to cover the population groups for which a mandate is being considered.

Available evidence about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine has been transparently communicated.

The state has created infrastructure to provide access to vaccination without financial or logistic barriers, compensation to workers who have adverse effects from a required vaccine, and real-time surveillance of vaccine side effects.

In a time-limited evaluation, voluntary uptake of the vaccine among high-priority groups has fallen short of the level required to prevent epidemic spread.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I also wonder the same thing. My house is able to survive two months, more if necessary. Lots of powdered milk and beans. LOL Prescriptions may be the only issue I can think of right now. What are ya'll thoughts for the coming months? We don't know how this is going to play out, so I'm very curious as to what websleuth people think. Please don't think I'm trying to predict, this is just the way I feel, thinking if we don't shut down again, we are going to have a bad outbreak. One that has me very frightened. People I'm scared, very. Also, I don't want to be tricked into thinking there will be a safe vaccine.

I didn't stockpile the first time. I made some 2 week shopping trips. I did accidentally stockpile toilet paper for 3 households and no one needed any from me. I still have toilet paper from March lol.

 

[musicaljoke]

My state's virus-free condition lasted 12 days. Then someone got on a plane in Victoria and landed here ... and tested covid positive. They were quickly put into a medi-hotel, along with their 5 cousins who travelled with them. Then comes the process of testing everyone on the plane and any others who may have been affected.

I just don't get why the airlines are not checking these travellers exemptions before they get on a plane. This person claimed they had an exemption to travel, but they didn't. Surely they would have an email, a letter, some official document to say they were exempted. Something the airlines had to view before allowing people to get on their planes. They can check passports easily. Why not supposed exemptions? It took my state's airport officials a nano-second to know the person had no exemption.

And thank goodness it was jumped on here, as this person and five cousins were on their way to Alice Springs, which is in another state and has a high volume of more-easily-affected indigenous people.

Oh gosh, that's horrible. It can't be left up to the airlines. They just desperately want to fill seats. The public health officials need to be right there at the airport, before anyone even enters the terminal doors.

 

[Knitty]

Wonder what cities or regions are experiencing the boom in home buying?

Curious with so many on unemployment.

I can’t imagine starting to build a home and suddenly losing my job half way thru the building process.

Buy rental property? Perhaps if you have deep pockets. I found out the hard way about relying on rental income during a pandemic.

Two young friends of mine near Montgomery AL sold their homes in one and three days respectively in order to buy a larger one to live in with four children. Both owned about a year and both sold for about $20,000 more than what they bought for. My mother-in-law sold her very very very dated home in the same area for far more than I would have guessed, in the same city. My mother in Savannah had her home on the market since before Christmas and it sold the first of August. Somewhat dated and one of the smaller homes in an exclusive neighborhood. We are in a construction related business in Northwest Florida and this is the busiest we have ever been barring post-hurricane times. It's weird and unexpected for us. We've been in business since 1995 and this is seriously weird.

 

[SouthAussie]

I also wonder the same thing. My house is able to survive two months, more if necessary. Lots of powdered milk and beans. LOL Prescriptions may be the only issue I can think of right now. What are ya'll thoughts for the coming months? We don't know how this is going to play out, so I'm very curious as to what websleuth people think. Please don't think I'm trying to predict, this is just the way I feel, thinking if we don't shut down again, we are going to have a bad outbreak. One that has me very frightened. People I'm scared, very. Also, I don't want to be tricked into thinking there will be a safe vaccine.

I think that you just keep up with what you are doing ... staying safe.

A link was posted here a couple of days ago that said that there *could* be an explosion of US deaths in December (IHME projection model) if people don't start doing the right thing. Geez, it feels like we have been saying this forever now "do the right thing".

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...to-410-000-by-year-s-end-20200905-p55smq.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh gosh, that's horrible. It can't be left up to the airlines. They just desperately want to fill seats. The public health officials need to be right there at the airport, before anyone even enters the terminal doors.

They do. But I wonder if officials in other states care factor is there. Especially in Melbourne where they are concentrating on their own large problems.
Which is probably why we have officials at our airport checking everyone who gets off a plane here.

 

[Rocco]

Yes, and in addition, they may realise that having a home is safer than living in an apartment. We have a dreadful local housing shortage right now. Snow birds, who normally live in the southern US, are needing winter housing, plus people working from home can suddenly live anywhere they want to, and many are choosing to move out of the cities. There's a waiting list for houses, so real estate signs don't even go up when a house comes on the market.

I have a friend whose income is derived from the rent he collects from his rental properties----mainly duplexes. He's now put them ALL up for sale at less then city assessed value. With the uncertainty about the right to evict people who don't pay their rent, he said he can't afford to keep them. If tenants don't pay their rent, he won't have money to pay the mortgages on the properties, insurance, property taxes, lawn mowing/snow removal services, and in some cases utilities on the properties. He's had them on the market for a few months now and none of them have sold. They're nice properties in a desirable neighborhood.