Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #77

[katydid23]

I am not terribly keen on getting a vaccine shot. Last fall I received a newer, two shot shingles vaccine, supposedly safe, and with BOTH shots, I was bedfast and out of commission for 4 days. Why? No one has any idea. No allergies (supposedly) to the shot. Well, we can see how that went.

As to the vaccine, I just cannot imagine it will be safe in such short time, assuming it comes out by the end of the year.

Oh no. I am scheduled to get that shingles shot in a few weeks.

My mother had a very bad case of shingles. It actually went inside her throat as well as exterior shingles. She was in the hospital for weeks. So I do feel like I should get the vaccine for it.

 

[Trino]

Over 100 million testing kits to be distributed by feds to schools

The Trump administration will begin shipping tens of millions of coronavirus testing kits this month to state governors for school distribution, it announced Tuesday.

Admiral Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health, announced a plan to distribute 150 million Abbott Laboratories rapid tests to states where schools are reopening.

Giroir said Tuesday that the “great majority” of tests will be handed over to governors to use in screening children in the K-12 school age range. But some tests will be reserved for first responders and at-risk groups, like the elderly.

So, will the tests go to public or private schools? How does an online student obtain a test?

 

[Trino]

Coronavirus: State to receive 9 million face masks from FEMA

The Ohio Departments of Education, Health and Job and Family Services are receiving shipments of masks from the Ohio Emergency Management Agency. Shipments will total 9 million masks.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) donated these additional masks to the State of Ohio as part of a new FEMA Mask Program. FEMA provided an initial 2 million face masks for Ohio school districts early last month. The masks are being provided at no cost to Ohio, a release from the State of Ohio said. The masks are KN-95 non-medical grade face masks.

Why Ohio? I just read Iowa was in dire straits.

 

[musicaljoke]

We also have more than 25 % of the cases too. Probably because we have the busiest airports in the world. Everyone wants to visit UK and US.

Our care home deaths were pretty high too, not sure of the exact amount but it certainly did not help. Same with US, remove 73k from the US count and it is down to 110k.

Here's a cheeky article for you. It explains, in part, some of the incongruent national perceptions.

Poll finds a third of Americans think they handled COVID-19 better than Canada, and are also delusional

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is old, but interesting. I don't remember seeing it. State by state breakdown from mid May of what FEMA had delivered to states.

https://www.fema.gov/news-release/20200727/fema-releases-state-state-ppe-data

 

[SouthAussie]

Here's a cheeky article for you. It explains, in part, some of the incongruent national perceptions.

Poll finds a third of Americans think they handled COVID-19 better than Canada, and are also delusional

Very cheeky. In the article I just posted, I noticed another comment .... basically just exhibiting how others perceive what is going on. It is likely not reflective of individual states, but it seems to be an overall perception. imo

While some nations are pursuing herd immunity – the US through “chaos” and Sweden by “deliberate design” .....

Expert predicts coronavirus vaccine won’t fix pandemic

 

[SouthAussie]

One of our previous Prime Ministers is causing a bit of controversy today. "Elderly covid people could just be left to die naturally." While the rest of the nation resumes normal life.


He would be encouraging senior officials in trade talks “not to be held up by things that are not all that important, and not be distracted by things that are not really issues of trade but might be, for argument’s sake, issues of the environment”.
Tony Abbott: some elderly Covid patients could be left to die naturally

 

[Auntie Cipation]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

Also, re vaccines and novel viruses, yes specific influenzas might have been considered novel at first, but there are certain things known when it's an influenza because we know a lot about influenzas in general.

Coronaviruses are different -- all this time and we've never been able to come up with a vaccine for the most prevalent coronavirus -- the common cold -- so apparently what we know about coronaviruses has its limitations.

MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Why Ohio? I just read Iowa was in dire straits.

Are the mask for schools? Our local schools purchased ours from 4.2 million Cares money we received. I thought this was a lot of money we only have 7,500 students.

In Virginia our governor, the doctor shares little, especially of where the money is going and what we do receive from the federal government.

I requested from the Office of Emergency Management how many mask, PPE, test kits and rapid machine under FOIA. It was millions and millions and little filtered down to my small community, it stayed in the big cities. I'm not a happy camper with the distribution system in my state.

 

[Simply Southern]

This is old, but interesting. I don't remember seeing it. State by state breakdown from mid May of what FEMA had delivered to states.

FEMA Releases State-by-State PPE Data | FEMA.gov

I wish FEMA would do and updated list. Virginia received regular shipments, sometimes twice in the same week.

 

[Simply Southern]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>

Also, re vaccines and novel viruses, yes specific influenzas might have been considered novel at first, but there are certain things known when it's an influenza because we know a lot about influenzas in general.

Coronaviruses are different -- all this time and we've never been able to come up with a vaccine for the most prevalent coronavirus -- the common cold -- so apparently what we know about coronaviruses has its limitations.

MOO

MOO... Pharmaceutical companies make way more money off of products to treat our symptoms of a cold than they would a vaccine.

Many countries are providing billions and billions of dollars to research. FDA makes vaccines and tests their number one priority. They get VIP service , no line to wait in for their reviews.

Three companies are in stage 3 trials, mild side effects. It's just a matter of when.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Millions of cases of the common cold are reported across the United States each year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates the average adult catches at least two colds every year and children can get up to 10 colds a year.

However, colds are self-limiting, meaning they go away on their own typically within about a week.

Vaccine research is costly and takes a long time, so those dollars and hours are often allocated to creating vaccines and medications to treat and prevent illnesses that have a more serious impact on people's lives and health.

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

 

[Trino]

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Millions of cases of the common cold are reported across the United States each year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates the average adult catches at least two colds every year and children can get up to 10 colds a year.

However, colds are self-limiting, meaning they go away on their own typically within about a week.

Vaccine research is costly and takes a long time, so those dollars and hours are often allocated to creating vaccines and medications to treat and prevent illnesses that have a more serious impact on people's lives and health.

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Millions of cases of the common cold are reported across the United States each year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates the average adult catches at least two colds every year and children can get up to 10 colds a year.

However, colds are self-limiting, meaning they go away on their own typically within about a week.

Vaccine research is costly and takes a long time, so those dollars and hours are often allocated to creating vaccines and medications to treat and prevent illnesses that have a more serious impact on people's lives and health.

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Suggested reading: Good Morning! This is the Future (1962). This is a story about a cyrogenic man who wakes up to a future where all diseases have been eradicated. He sneezes, says he must have a common cold. He is eradicated. Maybe we can live with the common cold.

 

[10ofRods]

I wish FEMA would do and updated list. Virginia received regular shipments, sometimes twice in the same week.

I don't think that will happen. FEMA intercepted shipments of masks (from China) to some states and then redistributed to others. <modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

We will never get an accounting on where things were distributed (or where they were gotten in the first place).

 

[10ofRods]

Are the mask for schools? Our local schools purchased ours from 4.2 million Cares money we received. I thought this was a lot of money we only have 7,500 students.

In Virginia our governor, the doctor shares little, especially of where the money is going and what we do receive from the federal government.

I requested from the Office of Emergency Management how many mask, PPE, test kits and rapid machine under FOIA. It was millions and millions and little filtered down to my small community, it stayed in the big cities. I'm not a happy camper with the distribution system in my state.

That is way too much money for 7500 students (someone, somewhere made beaucoup bucks off this).

There's no public transparency anywhere about all of this.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

MOO... Pharmaceutical companies make way more money off of products to treat our symptoms of a cold than they would a vaccine.

Many countries are providing billions and billions of dollars to research. FDA makes vaccines and tests their number one priority. They get VIP service , no line to wait in for their reviews.

Three companies are in stage 3 trials, mild side effects. It's just a matter of when.

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Millions of cases of the common cold are reported across the United States each year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates the average adult catches at least two colds every year and children can get up to 10 colds a year.

However, colds are self-limiting, meaning they go away on their own typically within about a week.

Vaccine research is costly and takes a long time, so those dollars and hours are often allocated to creating vaccines and medications to treat and prevent illnesses that have a more serious impact on people's lives and health.

Why Isn't There a Vaccine for the Common Cold?

Yes, agree with all that. I was just trying to make the point that influenzas have some things in common -- some basic influenza-ish infrastructure -- that makes finding a virus for a novel influenza less problematic than finding one for a novel coronavirus. Not saying I don't think they will produce one for covid, just that it's starting from a cleaner slate than with a new influenza.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't think that will happen. FEMA intercepted shipments of masks (from China) to some states and then redistributed to others. It was political, so we can't discuss it here.

We will never get an accounting on where things were distributed (or where they were gotten in the first place).

Rumor: Is FEMA seizing medical supplies?
Fact: FEMA is not seizing or taking personal protective equipment (PPE) from state or local governments, hospitals, or anyone lawfully engaged in acquiring or distributing PPE.

If a hospital believes this has happened to them, it should be reported to the governor. If a governor believes that this has happened to their supplies, it should be reported to the FEMA Region. The situations below may also lead to incorrect assumptions of FEMA seizing or taking supplies:

• The Department of Justice (DOJ) has assembled a COVID-19 Hoarding and Price Gouging task force to identify cases of price gouging and may alert FEMA to some shipments and stockpiles of PPE. Under Defense Production Act authorities, FEMA may then compel a price gouger to sell PPE in its control to FEMA at prevailing market prices, not gouging prices.
• The perception that FEMA is “out-bidding” states and others for supplies is incorrect. Due the use of priority ratings in the Defense Production Act to reallocate critical resources, federal government requirements are put ahead of other orders so we can best assist areas most in need of supplies. As FEMA processes orders through the supply chain we maintain close coordination with states to identify potential bidding conflicts. If a bidding conflict occurs, we work closely with the state or tribe to resolve it in a way that best serves their needs.
• As part of the current agreement with distributors for Project Airbridge, 50 percent of the supplies on each international flight are directed by the distributors to customers in areas with the most critical needs for those supplies based on HHS and CDC data. If a company decides to cancel on a state contract in favor of a federal one, we work with the company and the state to resolve the matter in a way that best serves the people.
  
  Coronavirus Rumor Control | FEMA.gov

 

[Simply Southern]

I don't think that will happen. FEMA intercepted shipments of masks (from China) to some states and then redistributed to others. It was political, so we can't discuss it here.

We will never get an accounting on where things were distributed (or where they were gotten in the first place).

I'm not being political, my concern is what was distributed in my state. I know what Virginia received and where it went.

I shared in an early thread, we were so desperate for N95 mask I took 1/2 of what I had to the local Volunteer Rescue Squad. We would get like 15 at a time and the health dept kept those. Turned the entire list over to the County Administrator and the BOS. We got mask after that.

Now my eyes are on the Abbott testing being sent to the states for schools. These need to be distributed equitably.

MOO...

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm not being political, my concern is what was distributed in my state. I know what Virginia received and where it went.

I shared in an early thread, we were so desperate for N95 mask I took 1/2 of what I had to the local Volunteer Rescue Squad. We would get like 15 at a time and the health dept kept those. Turned the entire list over to the County Administrator and the BOS. We got mask after that.

Now my eyes are on the Abbott testing being sent to the states for schools. These need to be distributed equitably.

MOO...

Any idea what your health dept did with them?

Mine was redistributing them to HC in our county.

 

[Simply Southern]

Yes, agree with all that. I was just trying to make the point that influenzas have some things in common -- some basic influenza-ish infrastructure -- that makes finding a virus for a novel influenza less problematic than finding one for a novel coronavirus. Not saying I don't think they will produce one for covid, just that it's starting from a cleaner slate than with a new influenza.

I agree it is a new type virus. But I am so amazed and encourages by the up and coming research scientist. These folks know a zillion times more than we knew 20 years ago, and have endless computer and scientific equipment.

They have produced 3 for Covid and are manufacturing now. All 3 are in stage three trials with mild side effects. We are close, so very close.