Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #77

[katydid23]

Okay- i am going to go shallow for a minute here--- thinking of all the things we can no longer enjoy- one of those things is shopping- I love clothes-- i love looking at them, touching them, trying them on and buying them. My favorite store is going out of business: Stein Mart-- i have a closet full of unique lovely items from that store-- and of course since the pandemic i haven't stepped foot in their stores. Neither have thousands of other people, which is why they are closing all 279 stores: i didn't know they had that many stores: I can't think how any retail clothing store can stay in business: i won't step foot in any clothing stores. I mean who wants to touch those clothes and try them on now? I ordered a leather jacket on line. I don't like doing that but it is the new way of life. I will really miss that store, especially the one in Fort Myers- they have a boutique section (if i was much younger i would spent all my money there)-- Unique clothing at discounted prices. It is just sad-- and of course think of all the other business, large and small that have gone out of business. You wonder when we will be able to shop again, eat in a restaurant again ----

I know what you mean...I was just talking about that with my daughter. One thing we really enjoyed was going shopping together, having a nice lunch, etc. It has always been our mom/daughter bonding thing.

We both really missed it this year because we always did that for her birthday. This year I just gave her a few things I ordered online, but wasn't nearly as fun or fulfilling. California is pretty locked down

I know it does sound shallow, to miss shopping together, but it is not really. It is a time to really spend time talking and laughing and enjoying something we have done since she started kindergarten.

My granddaughter started Kinder last week and I really missed the opportunity to take her shopping for school things. It is sad. Again, I went online and got a few things my DIL suggested. But not nearly as emotionally fulfilling as being with her as she eagerly picks out new tennis shoes and a backpack for her first day of school.

I feel like it is breaking a life long tradition, as I remember doing the same with my Mom. I hope I see the day when we can return to some kind of normal...

 

[tresir2012]

Normal ..... when we get that vaccine.. go Warp Speed.

I did actually go shopping with my daughter recently. We need to support our High Street if we can or we will lose it.

MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There are many upsetting things going on in which can make people "act ugly". We all have different views and struggles. We must remember that most people want to be heard, want to feel safe and loved. As an individual I can act in a loving kind way towards others. My example of the positive can be shown in small or perhaps big ways. I really am not going to put myself into an "ugly American" because of a few people's not so healthy choices. I am betting there are more Americans that feel just the way I do. We focus too much on the negatives but there really is much more good we can bring out if we worked on showing that! My opinion[/QUOTE

https://moneywise.com/a/chains-closing-the-most-stores-in-2020

And what is going to happen to all the brick and mortar real estate????--high percentage of office space in NYC empty and all these box stores..... So hard to imagine what "down the road" is going to actually look like.

 

[ilovewings]

I know what you mean...I was just talking about that with my daughter. One thing we really enjoyed was going shopping together, having a nice lunch, etc. It has always been our mom/daughter bonding thing.

We both really missed it this year because we always did that for her birthday. This year I just gave her a few things I ordered online, but wasn't nearly as fun or fulfilling. California is pretty locked down

I know it does sound shallow, to miss shopping together, but it is not really. It is a time to really spend time talking and laughing and enjoying something we have done since she started kindergarten.

My granddaughter started Kinder last week and I really missed the opportunity to take her shopping for school things. It is sad. Again, I went online and got a few things my DIL suggested. But not nearly as emotionally fulfilling as being with her as she eagerly picks out new tennis shoes and a backpack for her first day of school.

I feel like it is breaking a life long tradition, as I remember doing the same with my Mom. I hope I see the day when we can return to some kind of normal...

No. it really isn't shallow: all those traditional things with family- we can't do now and who knows for how long? it is sad: i miss going out to breakfeast: for some reason i love going out for breakfast with my husband. Now we either cook at home or get takeout (which, by the time we get it home it is cold LOL)) ---- something like just shopping, for you with your daughter, we took for granted we could do whenever we wanted to-- now we can't ( i mean we could but i wouldn't)- Sigh-- right now i guess we are in survival mode!!!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

https://moneywise.com/a/chains-closing-the-most-stores-in-2020

And what is going to happen to all the brick and mortar real estate????--high percentage of office space in NYC empty and all these box stores..... So hard to imagine what "down the road" is going to actually look like.

Both my husband and I agree it's gonna be best to wait a bit. If first responders get it first (hospital, police, fire, etc.), it probably will take a while before it's offered to the general population anyway.

Most likely, according to the surgeon general, it will be a no-go by October.
Improbable that vaccine will be ready by October: Surgeon General

This is why I have such a problem with the "press release" way of getting people all excited, but potentially offering "no nothing" news. It is unfair if people, around the world, are going to wait with baited breath.... for nothing....soon.

I just know we have to be more patient..... and the constant spikes and outbreaks is still the norm. I just wish we were encouraging folks to "stay the course" rather than making promises that may simply not come for a long time.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

We do have parents who just show up at the res hall that is quarantine/isolation only, so no visitors whatsoever. And unless the student signs a release that we can provide health/medical information to his/her parents, we can't do so, due to HIPPA laws. Same with information on grades, behavior on campus, etc., but this is covered by FERPA laws.
But most students will sign the HIPPA release so that their parents know what is going on.

The New Hampshire University system, where I taught for a few years, has had major upticks at most of the colleges/campuses throughout the state. For the most part, it looks like they are still sending people home.... I don't see any evidence of a dedicated on campus facility for cases not yet anyway. NH is so small--I really would think they could set up a center for the main university and the rest of the state system...

September is going to be a wild-west month throughout the country...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think a lot of places were on their last legs and this just hurried it along. We have several malls in Phoenix that either closed or are closing. Weekly alternative paper recently did a piece on an iconic one and said that the decline had been going on for quite a while. It seems like people took quite a while to trust online shopping, but now they won't go back. Still odd to buy some things with out seeing them - we have a friend that bought a car on Carvana and was texting people today asking for a ride. Turns out she bought a car she had never been in and discovered she hates it!

I think you hit the nail on the head. Covid created an on-line shopping bonanza of acceptance. And Covid created a new revered acceptance of working-from-home.

"Need" creates more change than anything. There is no real going back. But it really does beg that question of what is going to happen to all this real-estate.

Seems to me that we are sortof going back to living in villages, rather than commuting to and depending on big cities.

 

[tresir2012]

We really need to get rid of this virus.

We are having young people, mostly guys, in Victoria causing a big ruckus today ... with a few older covid deniers among them.
It is so annoying to the rest of the country because we all just want them to settle down and get rid of the virus in their state. They don't seem to understand that they will never be allowed unrestricted movement around Australia until that happens. Nobody else wants them in any other state with their belligerent and uncooperative kind of attitude.

They have one week to go before restrictions ease. And they are embarassing all of the great effort the rest of the Victorians are making.

It's all about them.

BBC have an article about this with pictures.


Coronavirus: Arrests at Australia anti-lockdown protests

2 hours ago
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IMAGE COPYRIGHTEPA
image captionAbout 300 people marched through the city
Australian police have made dozens of arrests amid anti-lockdown protests attended by hundreds nationwide.
In Melbourne, the centre of Australia's outbreak, about 300 people marched in defiance of tough measures that have been in place for a month.
Other protests took place in Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.
On Friday PM Scott Morrison said seven of the country's eight states and territories had agreed to open their internal borders by December.
He suggested an eventual travel bubble with New Zealand could boost tourism and help revive the economy.
"In the absence of a vaccine, we may have to live this way for years," he warned.

Continued at link.

 

[Sundog]

The New Hampshire University system, where I taught for a few years, has had major upticks at most of the colleges/campuses throughout the state. For the most part, it looks like they are still sending people home.... I don't see any evidence of a dedicated on campus facility for cases not yet anyway. NH is so small--I really would think they could set up a center for the main university and the rest of the state system...

September is going to be a wild-west month throughout the country...

Our universities in Ohio have already re-opened and we are moving into week four of classes this coming week after Labor Day. So far, so good. We are doing randomized surveillance testing (voluntary), working closely in partnership with the county health department, and have trained contact tracers. Our contact tracers tell us that there are usually 25 or more people to contact if someone tests positive, they have made thousands of calls and are doing lots of follow up.

We have set aside one residence hall completely for COVID cases - one side for students who test positive and need to be quarantined, and the other side for students who have been exposed to COVID and need to be removed from their regular residence hall room. This was a residence hall that we had planned to took off-line with plans for renovations this year, but now we are holding off on that and using it for quarantine/isolating students who need it. Students can continue to take their classes remotely while in quarantine/isolation.

We started the semester early so that we could end the semester a few days before Thanksgiving and have out students do their final exams remotely the week after Thanksgiving, and not have them return to campus after Thanksgiving, so there is less travel and less community spread with students travelling all over the state and out of state as well. So the campus will be closed from just before Thanksgiving until the new year. Most of our universities in Ohio are following a similar academic calendar this fall semester.

 

[Sundog]

BBC have an article about this with pictures.


Coronavirus: Arrests at Australia anti-lockdown protests

2 hours ago
Related Topics

• Coronavirus pandemic

IMAGE COPYRIGHTEPA
image captionAbout 300 people marched through the city
Australian police have made dozens of arrests amid anti-lockdown protests attended by hundreds nationwide.
In Melbourne, the centre of Australia's outbreak, about 300 people marched in defiance of tough measures that have been in place for a month.
Other protests took place in Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.
On Friday PM Scott Morrison said seven of the country's eight states and territories had agreed to open their internal borders by December.
He suggested an eventual travel bubble with New Zealand could boost tourism and help revive the economy.
"In the absence of a vaccine, we may have to live this way for years," he warned.

Continued at link.

Seems the COVID lockdown has fueled a mental health crisis in Australia, according to MSM links, below, including among children.

"We've probably lost about 400 people in Victoria to suicide this year, which is a lot more than the pandemic."

COVID-19 lockdown fuels mental health crisis

The depression pandemic: Inside Victoria's coronavirus mental health crisis

'An overwhelming sense of sadness': Alarm raised over jump in Victorian kids self-harming

 

[katydid23]

And what is going to happen to all the brick and mortar real estate????--high percentage of office space in NYC empty and all these box stores..... So hard to imagine what "down the road" is going to actually look like.

Homes for the houseless?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

3rd death now linked to Millinocket-area wedding
Maine health officials have now attributed a third death to the COVID-19 outbreak stemming from an Aug. 7 wedding and reception in the Katahdin region — just a day after they announced the second.
More at link

And this is truly rural America.... population of Millinocket is only 4000.

 

[weepingangel]

1st victim of Millinocket-area wedding outbreak remembered as the ‘anchor of her family’
Maine/more at link
Theresa Dentremont, who died from COVID-19 on Aug. 21 at the age of 88, always had a positive attitude, loved to stay creative and work with her hands, and was the anchor for her family.

That’s how family members of the East Millinocket resident remembered her in an obituary published in the Bangor Daily News.
Dentremont was the first Of
three people so far whose deaths have been linked to an outbreak of COVID-19 that stemmed from an Aug. 7 wedding in the Katahdin region. The other two victims are a man in his 70s and a woman in her 80s, both from neighboring Somerset Country.

 

[SouthAussie]

Seems the COVID lockdown has fueled a mental health crisis in Australia, according to MSM links, below, including among children.

"We've probably lost about 400 people in Victoria to suicide this year, which is a lot more than the pandemic."

COVID-19 lockdown fuels mental health crisis

The depression pandemic: Inside Victoria's coronavirus mental health crisis

'An overwhelming sense of sadness': Alarm raised over jump in Victorian kids self-harming

We are not alone.


The pandemic is adding to what already was an underrecognized mental health crisis in the United States ..... "It's not like we were in good shape in terms of our mental health and now it's getting worse. It's more like we were not in good shape, and then you bring in another big stressor"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-covid-pandemic-mental-health-crisis.html

Depression rates have nearly doubled in the UK as the Covid-19 lockdown takes a heavy toll on the nation’s mental health.
Almost one in four women (23.3 per cent) were experiencing moderate to severe depressive symptoms, compared to 11.9 per cent before the lockdown. Among men the rate rose from 7.4 per cent to 14.9 per cent.
Why the coronavirus mental health crisis may not have peaked

Across Europe and the world, experts say that the COVID-19 lockdowns have had a massive impact on mental health. With many countries warning of a second wave, that effect isn't to subside soon.
Mental health in lockdown: 'We lost an ingredient that makes us human'

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Our universities in Ohio have already re-opened and we are moving into week four of classes this coming week after Labor Day. So far, so good. We are doing randomized surveillance testing (voluntary), working closely in partnership with the county health department, and have trained contact tracers. Our contact tracers tell us that there are usually 25 or more people to contact if someone tests positive, they have made thousands of calls and are doing lots of follow up.

We have set aside one residence hall completely for COVID cases - one side for students who test positive and need to be quarantined, and the other side for students who have been exposed to COVID and need to be removed from their regular residence hall room. This was a residence hall that we had planned to took off-line with plans for renovations this year, but now we are holding off on that and using it for quarantine/isolating students who need it. Students can continue to take their classes remotely while in quarantine/isolation.

We started the semester early so that we could end the semester a few days before Thanksgiving and have out students do their final exams remotely the week after Thanksgiving, and not have them return to campus after Thanksgiving, so there is less travel and less community spread with students travelling all over the state and out of state as well. So the campus will be closed from just before Thanksgiving until the new year. Most of our universities in Ohio are following a similar academic calendar this fall semester.

I think Ohio has been credited with very good planning in general, and what you express about the universities really does sound so well planned. Even your contact tracing sounds way ahead of other places.

I assume that the overall planning is coming directly out of Columbus, but where are you specifically that you can have the dedicated "half-way house dorm?"

 

[tresir2012]

Seems the COVID lockdown has fueled a mental health crisis in Australia, according to MSM links, below, including among children.

"We've probably lost about 400 people in Victoria to suicide this year, which is a lot more than the pandemic."

COVID-19 lockdown fuels mental health crisis

The depression pandemic: Inside Victoria's coronavirus mental health crisis

'An overwhelming sense of sadness': Alarm raised over jump in Victorian kids self-harming

I actually think the demos against lockdown are important if it is being reviewed in a week's time, as SA has said. It could get more severe if they acted compliantly. This way the government know there is some opposition to it and can lift the lockdown if it is warranted.

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I think Ohio has been credited with very good planning in general, and what you express about the universities really does sound so well planned. Even your contact tracing sounds way ahead of other places.

I assume that the overall planning is coming directly out of Columbus, but where are you specifically that you can have the dedicated "half-way house dorm?"

It's possibly in this link. Lots of info online. It looks like a real mixed bag.

Ohio's 8 Largest School Districts Begin Making Changes

Or this one for colleges.

Colleges Adapt Plans To Resume Classes Amid COVID-19 Pandemic

Constantly changing...

 

[CSIDreamer]

We are not alone.


The pandemic is adding to what already was an underrecognized mental health crisis in the United States ..... "It's not like we were in good shape in terms of our mental health and now it's getting worse. It's more like we were not in good shape, and then you bring in another big stressor"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-covid-pandemic-mental-health-crisis.html

Depression rates have nearly doubled in the UK as the Covid-19 lockdown takes a heavy toll on the nation’s mental health.
Almost one in four women (23.3 per cent) were experiencing moderate to severe depressive symptoms, compared to 11.9 per cent before the lockdown. Among men the rate rose from 7.4 per cent to 14.9 per cent.
Why the coronavirus mental health crisis may not have peaked

Across Europe and the world, experts say that the COVID-19 lockdowns have had a massive impact on mental health. With many countries warning of a second wave, that effect isn't to subside soon.
Mental health in lockdown: 'We lost an ingredient that makes us human'

I'm certain it's worldwide. I've said all along there needs to be a balance between these lockdowns and mental health issues, addiction issues too. I've seen it in my own county. Overdoses have increased by ungodly amounts. We just cannot put number ratings on people's lives. What I mean by that is imaginarily assigning a "9" to a person with Covid but a "2" to an addict and maybe a "6" to someone with fragile mental health. It's just inhumane to not look for balance.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It's possibly in this link. Lots of info online. It looks like a real mixed bag.

Ohio's 8 Largest School Districts Begin Making Changes

Or this one for colleges.

Colleges Adapt Plans To Resume Classes Amid COVID-19 Pandemic

Constantly changing...

The first article is really about public school, and the second is a month old, so shows more pre-opening stuff than current...

but I am asking Sundog because he has the on-the-ground expertise that is more interesting to me. And my undergrad alma mater is Ohio State University, and I know all the colleges in the state, intimately!! So my questions are really more personal than article-driven.

Go Buckeyes!

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm certain it's worldwide. I've said all along there needs to be a balance between these lockdowns and mental health issues, addiction issues too. I've seen it in my own county. Overdoses have increased by ungodly amounts. We just cannot put number ratings on people's lives. What I mean by that is imaginarily assigning a "9" to a person with Covid but a "2" to an addict and maybe a "6" to someone with fragile mental health. It's just inhumane to not look for balance.

I agree.

Which is why lockdowns are done for a particular covid cycle - one, two or three cycles, depending on how severe the issue is - a cycle being two weeks. As well as how a country/state gauges its own covid severity.

In the mean time, the mental health experts and many, many public service announcements on TV try to show people how to take care of their mental health.

Ways to look after your mental health amid the coronavirus pandemic - Beyond Blue

Coping during coronavirus (COVID-19)

#HealthyAtHome