Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

[CSIDreamer]

Yes. People are going to feel upset that they can’t receive that level of treatment. That’s just the reality of the situation. The president actually got a compassionate use waiver for the experimental cocktail which isn’t available to the public. That’s necessary. I’m sure that will anger people.
But it’s not the point of my post you responded to. It has nothing to do with it.

Finally, condescension toward those who stubbornly, ignorantly, angrily, and I responsibly refuse to wear masks is NOT the same as condescension toward those who do.

My God. Wearing masks saved lives and protects health. Not wearing masks is selfish, unscientific, dangerous and wrong.

I personally believe calling people names does nothing to win them over. I think we can agree to disagree on this.

 

[gitana1]

Don't all these people have better things to do?

It’s so odd that someone would watch the news, hear the president speak and go to Walter Reed but be open to the idea that “they’re lying” about the president having COVID.

Wth?

 

[Satchie]

I'm talking about attitudes. I'm a mask wearer. But I'm sick to death of non maskers verbally attacking maskers. I'm also sick to death of maskers calling non maskers every name in the book and then some. None of it helps one bit. JMO

IDK, there's nothing any of us can do about stranger's words and expressions, except, IMO, develop a thicker skin.

IMO a lot of people do it to get attention. Watch a cat get up on a fireplace mantle during a party, and knock over a crystal ornament. Now watch people doing the exact same thing with their words.

JMO

 

[tresir2012]

FWIW

Coronavirus protection: How masks might stop the spread through coughs

“The WHO and over 200 medical experts agree with new research that shows COVID-19 could be carried by cough droplets and travel up 26 feet.”
ALEXIS ARNOLD, USA TODAY

Well my government says 2 metres so that is the rule we follow.

Staying safe and social distancing | GOV.WALES

 

[gitana1]

I personally believe calling people names does nothing to win them over. I think we can agree to disagree on this.

I agree with you. To clarify, calling names isn’t condescension. But I actually don’t think condescension wins people over either.

One of the best things we can have to win people over is laws and government officials who are honest, responsible and model appropriate behavior.

That being said, to compare condescension toward those who willingly refuse to wear masks to condescension toward those who do so, is analogous to comparing condescension of those who willingly drive drunk with condescension of those who refuse to do so.

 

[anneg]

Trump is being treated with remdesivir, an antiviral drug made by Gilead Sciences. While the drug hasn't been approved by the FDA, it was authorized for emergency use in May for treating hospitalized patients with the coronavirus.

Trump received his first IV infusion of remdesivir on Friday night, and doctors say he'll undergo a five-day treatment course of the drug.

The president's doctors said Saturday that he was not on supplemental oxygen "right now," but declined to say whether he had been previously.

Along with remdesivir, Trump is also taking an experimental "antibody cocktail" by the drugmaker Regeneron. In an ongoing trial, the drug — known as REGN-COV2 — has been shown to reduce viral load in the body, as well as the duration of symptoms. Patients given a placebo generally took 13 days to see their symptoms reduced, while those given the cocktail saw results in about half the time.

That trial has not examined the interplay between the cocktail and remdesivir.

Trump Is Taking Remdesivir. Here's How It Works To Control The Coronavirus

I just want to reiterate that there are no FDA-approved treatments for Covid at this time.
COVID-19 Hub | Covid-19 Treatment Hub (this website is the COVID-19 Treatment Hub--Provides physicians, patients, and caregivers with information about the latest research in the fight against COVID-19)
(BBM a couple places in red below)

Navigating Medical & Treatment Developments for COVID-19
The COVID-19 Treatment Hub provides physicians, patients, and caregivers with information about the latest research in the fight against COVID-19. Many companies are currently developing new therapies and vaccines for coronavirus and/or evaluating how drugs that are currently available may treat the symptoms of COVID-19.

While there are no drugs, therapeutics, or vaccines yet approved to specifically treat, cure, or prevent COVID-19, there are options —from enrolling in clinical trials to requesting access to investigational products being tested by biopharmaceutical companies.

Clinical trials are necessary to gain regulatory approvals so new treatments are broadly available to patients as quickly as possible. Expanded access, which can provide access to investigational therapies when a patient does not qualify for a clinical trial, is sometimes available as well but must not interfere with clinical trials as it could delay availability of the approved treatment to the wider public. You can learn more about expanded access in our Expanded Access Navigator, which features guides for patients and caregivers, healthcare providers, and companies.

Use the links above to locate companies conducting COVID-19 research, learn about new and existing clinical trials, identify expanded access opportunities, and find trusted resources to guide you through this pandemic.

COVID-19 Evidence Accelerator
A collaboration of the Reagan-Udall Foundation for the FDA and Friends of Cancer Research, the Evidence Accelerator is an effort to accelerate the research community’s ability to coordinate the avalanche of real-world data being generated during this pandemic. The initiative will bring together members of the health data community to share insights and compare results through weekly data-sharing meetings. In addition, the Accelerator will gather a core group of health systems, academic, government, technology, and data organizations, each working in parallel to co-design and execute real-world studies to answer critical questions about the treatment and management of COVID-19.

Anti-Malaria & Other Anti-viral Drugs
Some approved medications are being studied to treat COVID-19 and are being made available under special circumstances. For example, on May 1, FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization to allow remdesivir to be used for certain patients with severe COVID-19. In April, FDA issued a Drug Safety Communication cautioning against the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems. You can find more information about hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir, including fact sheets for healthcare providers and patients, here.

Other antivirals are also being studied for efficacy in the treatment of COVID-19. Please visit our directory of companies investigating COVID-19 treatments for more information. Learn more about FDA’s efforts to facilitate development here.

Convalescent Plasma & Hyperimmune Globulin
One investigational treatment being explored for COVID-19 involves the use of convalescent plasma collected from recovered COVID-19 patients. It is possible convalescent plasma that contains antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 might be effective against the infection.

FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for convalescent plasma on August 23, 2020. .... [snip] FDA is also helping to facilitate a collaborative effort with industry, academic, and government partners to implement a protocol for the use of convalescent plasma for patients in need across the country who may not have access to institutions with clinical trials in place. This does not include the use of COVID-19 convalescent plasma for the prevention of infection. Read FDA’s Guidance for Industry on Investigational COVID-19 Convalescent Plasma, and learn more here and here.

FDA is also working with industry and government partners to accelerate the development and availability of hyperimmune globulin for investigation for the potential treatment COVID-19. Hyperimmune globulin is a biological product manufactured from convalescent plasma. The FDA is helping to coordinate a study of hyperimmune globulin that will be conducted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases of the National Institutes of Health, as well as coordinating other efforts in this area.

[more at link]

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It’s so odd that someone would watch the news, hear the president speak and go to Walter Reed but be open to the idea that “they’re lying” about the president having COVID.

Wth?

Sounds like Michael Moore.

Michael Moore floats conspiracy theory that Trump may be faking Covid diagnosis

Mr Moore said that Mr Trump may have the virus, but said the president lying about the virus had to be considered.

He went on to speculate as to why Mr Trump would fake having the virus after spending months downplaying its danger and publicly undermining guidelines meant to mitigate its spread.

Mr Moore believes the president is responding to polling data that suggests he is falling behind his campaign rival in the 2020 US election, Democrat Joe Biden. Under Mr Moore's theory, Mr Trump hopes to change the media narrative and garner sympathy amoung the public by pretending to have the virus.

Michael Moore claims Trump might be faking Covid diagnosis

 

[JerseyGirl]

Chris Christie tests positive. Former governor checks himself into hospital as a precaution

Christie, 58, told CNN he has a slight fever and is achy but felt well enough to drive himself to the hospital, that his breathing is fine, and after being admitted he started a course of the Covid-19 treatment remdesivir.

Chris Christie checks into hospital after testing positive

 

[CSIDreamer]

IDK, there's nothing any of us can do about stranger's words and expressions, except, IMO, develop a thicker skin.

IMO a lot of people do it to get attention. Watch a cat get up on a fireplace mantle during a party, and knock over a crystal ornament. Now watch people doing the exact same thing with their words.

JMO

Your last paragraph made me laugh lol. I'm envisioning some people slithering across a mantle. Many thanks.

 

[anneg]

Here's what is known about Trump’s COVID-19 treatment

This is a helpful article to read IMO.

 

[gitana1]

I'm talking about attitudes. I'm a mask wearer. But I'm sick to death of non maskers verbally attacking maskers. I'm also sick to death of maskers calling non maskers every name in the book and then some. None of it helps one bit. JMO

That’s interesting considering the vast majority of actual attacks are by those who refuse to wear masks, who are angry at those who do or who mandate that the anti-masker does.

And again, we are talking about protecting the health and well being of society versus risking it.

Those who refuse to wear masks are doing something immoral, negligent and ignorant.

We are talking about human life here.

 

[Tillicum]

Update from previous post...
I just delivered relative from airport to his home. We both wore masks, and I kept mine on during the drive after I left him. He said the flight (social distancing) was full. Left all vehicle windows open at home and took a long, long, long full shower.

Good job. Stay healthy.

 

[gitana1]

Apparently Trump and Biden were 12 feet 8 inches apart which appears to be twice the recommended distance of 2 metres. Inside, during a spirited debate (and I use the term loosely) that's not enough.

How convenient that Trump was too late to get tested prior to the debate. Yet others did not press or challenge the President of the United States when he flaunted regulations as if he was above the protocol agreed to.

It’s scary to think how many people’s health has been put at risk due to this negligent behavior.

However, the vastness of the debate hall should very much help mitigate the risk.

 

[tresir2012]

Regarding the other drugs the president has been taking ... I have read a couple of articles that said that it 'wasn't clear' if he was already taking them, pre getting the virus.

And when you think about it, it could be true.
Zinc and Vit D to boost his immune system (because he usually didn't wear a mask in public)
Aspirin to minimise risk of stroke (often recommended for people over 70)
Melatonin to help him sleep
Heartburn drug because he may often get heartburn (obesity can make this a common condition, as can other stomach related factors).

IMO

Do you have a link for these other drugs he was taking? The vitamin D helps the absorption of the Zinc. I know that because I take Calcium and Vit D combined for the same reason. The D vitamin helps the absorption of the mineral.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

If they can’t manage to keep themselves safe at a garden party, how are we supposed to feel confident that their pandemic response and policies can keep our nation safe?

Never mind. Rhetorical question.

 

[CSIDreamer]

That’s interesting considering the vast majority of actual attacks are by those who refuse to wear masks, who are angry at those who do or who mandate that the anti-masker does.

And again, we are talking about protecting the health and well being of society versus risking it.

Those who refuse to wear masks are doing something immoral, negligent and ignorant.

We are talking about human life here.

I stated my OPINION and noted it as such.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It’s like watching a train wreck. This whole thing.

And we’re passengers on that train.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I hear people all the time talking about silver platters. That's jealousy. Imo

I also hear mask wearing condescending going both ways here. But that might be my area.

Around here the non masker appear to be the majority just from what I have observed in person at gas stations, retail, convenience stores . More mask wearing at drug and grocery stores.
Mask wearers attempt to provide links to CDC information and state guidelines. Usually just a plea to wear masks when in public.
Non maskers lash out with remarks especially to older adults.
JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I used to travel. But because people view not wearing a mask and not socially distancing as a badge of honor, I and many like me no longer do so and likely won’t for a long time.

<snipped for focus>

I have a feeling that international travel may be an issue for US citizens for quite a while. With respect to other countries accepting US travellers.

Even with a vaccine, which may give 50-70% protection. Will that level of protection be enough for other countries to accept US visitors?

There will likely need to be a big combination of protections. Proof of vaccination. Safer (socially distanced, hence expensive) airline travel. Testing pre and post flight. Mask wearing. Maybe quarantining in the receiving country - which will make this kind of travel impossible for some, due to holiday time constraints.

IMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Do you have a link for these other drugs he was taking? The vitamin D helps the absorption of the Zinc. I know that because I take Calcium and Vit D combined for the same reason. The D vitamin helps the absorption of the mineral.

Melatonin is quite interesting. I'm surprised big pharma hasn't snatched it from OTC status. Jmo

Melatonin potentials against viral infections including COVID-19: Current evidence and new findings