Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

[Deleted member 158085]

That advice is only as good as the truthfulness of the patient.

Trump and Biden were double the recommended distance between them. That only works if both are not in the position to infect the other person. If the debate between Pence and Harris goes ahead they will be further apart but again, that only works if both parties are respectful of the other's health.

Seriously, this all should be done virtually at this point. An added feature to that is also more moderator control over time. Mute opposite mikes, cut away after 2 minutes, and everyone in a separate room.

 

[Lilibet]

Not sure if already posted...Chris Christie has checked into a hospital as a precaution.

Chris Christie admitted to the hospital after testing positive for COVID-19

Chris Christie tests positive. Former governor checks himself into hospital as a precaution - CNNPolitics

 

[Deleted member 39678]

COVID-19 Update: FDA Broadens Emergency Use Authorization for Veklury (remdesivir) to Include All Hospitalized Patients for Treatment of COVID-19

Today, as part of its ongoing efforts to fight COVID-19, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration broadened the scope of the existing emergency use authorization (EUA) for the drug Veklury (remdesivir) to include treatment of all hospitalized adult and pediatric patients with suspected or laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, irrespective of their severity of disease.

COVID-19 Update: FDA Broadens Emergency Use Authorization for Veklury (remdesivir) to Include All Hospitalized Patients for Treatment of COVID-19

 

[tresir2012]

Remdesivir is NOT approved by the FDA.

"Veklury (remdesivir) is an investigational antiviral drug. It is not currently FDA-approved to treat or prevent any diseases, including COVID-19."

Federal Drug Administration
COVID-19 Frequently Asked Questions | FDA
COVID-19 Frequently Asked Questions

Edited to change choice of words

VEKLURY® (remdesivir)| Official Website for US HCPs

Granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA for the treatment of COVID-191
VEKLURY® (remdesivir) is authorized for use under an EUA only for the treatment of adult and pediatric patients hospitalized with suspected or laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, and for whom use of an intravenous (IV) agent is clinically appropriate. VEKLURY must be administered via IV infusion.

EUA Fact Sheets
VEKLURY is an investigational drug, and there is no Prescribing Information. However, the FDA has authorized distribution of this investigational drug with Fact Sheets for healthcare providers, and patients and caregivers.

Download Fact Sheets Here:
FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERSFOR PATIENTS AND CAREGIVERS
SARS-CoV=severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus.
Important Information
The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use ofVEKLURY (remdesivir) to treat coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection. In response, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the unapproved product, VEKLURY, for the treatment ofCOVID-19.

• VEKLURY is an investigational drug that has not been approved by the FDA for any use. It is not yet known if VEKLURY is safe and effective for the treatment of COVID-19.
• The distribution of VEKLURY has been authorized only for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19. This use is authorized only for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of the emergency use, unless the authorization is terminated or revoked sooner.
• The FDA issued this EUA, requested by Gilead Sciences and based on their submitted data. The FDA Letter of Authorization for the EUA is available here.

So it looks like that is why POTUS went to hospital. It is only authorized for hospital use.

 

[ilovewings]

I think I’d make him ride in the trunk.

You gave me a good belly laugh with that one!!!!!

 

[dmac55]

VEKLURY® (remdesivir)| Official Website for US HCPs

Granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA for the treatment of COVID-191
VEKLURY® (remdesivir) is authorized for use under an EUA only for the treatment of adult and pediatric patients hospitalized with suspected or laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, and for whom use of an intravenous (IV) agent is clinically appropriate. VEKLURY must be administered via IV infusion.

EUA Fact Sheets
VEKLURY is an investigational drug, and there is no Prescribing Information. However, the FDA has authorized distribution of this investigational drug with Fact Sheets for healthcare providers, and patients and caregivers.

Download Fact Sheets Here:
FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERSFOR PATIENTS AND CAREGIVERS
SARS-CoV=severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus.
Important Information
The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use ofVEKLURY (remdesivir) to treat coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection. In response, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the unapproved product, VEKLURY, for the treatment ofCOVID-19.

• VEKLURY is an investigational drug that has not been approved by the FDA for any use. It is not yet known if VEKLURY is safe and effective for the treatment of COVID-19.
• The distribution of VEKLURY has been authorized only for the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19. This use is authorized only for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of the emergency use, unless the authorization is terminated or revoked sooner.
• The FDA issued this EUA, requested by Gilead Sciences and based on their submitted data. The FDA Letter of Authorization for the EUA is available here.

So it looks like that is why POTUS went to hospital. It is only authorized for hospital use.

Emergency Use Authorization is different from FDA approval

Are you trying to say the information on the FDA's website is inaccurate and can't be trusted?

C'mon...

 

[Trino]

I think I’d make him ride in the trunk.

Truck. No trunk. Truck bed has a hitch that fills the truck bed. Illegal in my state to ride in bed anyway. I took a long shower at home after.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Truck. No trunk. Truck bed has a hitch that fills the truck bed. Illegal in my state to ride in bed anyway. I took a long shower at home after.

That was nice of you to do. I think for many people, it's a matter of how much/how long you are exposed (not an expert on this). I am hoping for the best as we start in-person school (mask-free lunches in small rooms!) and plan to do as you did - shower when I get home.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

President Trump releases update, says he's feeling 'much better' after hospitalization

Upon entering, Trump intended to continue his day-to-day work from Walter Reed's presidential suite, which includes offices, a kitchen, conference room, and sleeping quarters.

"I had no choice because I just didn't want to stay in the White House. I was given that alternative -- stay in the White House, lock yourself in, don't ever leave, don't even go to the Oval Office, just stay upstairs and enjoy it," he said in Saturday's video.

"Don't see people, don't talk to people, and just be done with it -- and I can't do that. I had to be out front, and this is America, this is the United States. This is the greatest country in the world, this is the most powerful country in the world, I can't be locked up in a room upstairs and totally safe and just say, hey, whatever happens happens, I can't do that."

 

[tresir2012]

A patient who lies or doesn't provide the proper information to the doctor is guilty of endangering everyone they come in contact with. Doesn't matter if the subject is Covid, AIDS or TB. People lie because they are lazy.

But as far as I'm concerned advice from your doctor will never trump civic responsibility. Civic responsibility is a two way street: for everyone who willingly wears a mask, reduces their interaction with the general public, maintains safe distances to avoid infection there are individuals who believe that personal freedom outweighs the threat they pose.

It's not unusual for the general public to hold these people up for ridicule or worse. Public stocks, shaving the heads of Nazi collaborators, and even worse have been enacted when individuals weighed their own interests against the greater good.

People lie for many reasons. Many have no civic duty only self interest. If that person is an elected official, then there is due process for that. I hope you are not advocating the extreme examples you provide.

 

[Trino]

Just the tip of the iceberg... And they've all got families.

Traveled on Marine One to a Minnesota rally on Wednesday:
Hope Hicks, counselor to the president
Jared Kushner, senior adviser to the president
Dan Scavino, Social Media Director
John McEntee, Director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office

Tuesday's debate in Ohio:
Rudy Giuliani, personal attorney. Giuliani had spent the weekend at the White House doing debate prep
Mark Meadows, White House chief of staff
Trump's children and their partners: Donald Trump Jr, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Eric Trump, Lara Trump, Ivanka Trump, Tiffany Trump
Bill Stepien, campaign manager
Kayleigh McEnany, press secretary
Democratic nominee Joe Biden and his wife Jill
Guests of Trump including Alice Johnson, who was pardoned of federal drug offenses at the urging of Kim Kardashian

At the White House since Saturday with close unmasked contact with Trump:
Amy Coney Barrett, Supreme Court nominee. She then had mask-free meetings with Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham and other Republican senators from Monday
Vice President Mike Pence
Robert Ford, CEO of Abbott Laboratories, who was at the White House on Monday
Admiral Brett Geroir, assistant Health and Human Services secretary
Alex Azar, HHS secretary
East Wing aides, including valets and other White House staff who serve the first family
Secret Service protection agents

Ivanka Trump heads to work after her father's COVID-19 diagnosis | Daily Mail Online

 

[tresir2012]

Emergency Use Authorization is different from FDA approval

Are you trying to say the information on the FDA's website is inaccurate and can't be trusted?

C'mon...

I am not trying to say anything but am quoting sources. It is an unapproved product but has Emergency Use Authorisation from the FDA. Whether that means the FDA has approved it is clear therefore. It is approved under an EUA, because of the declared public health emergency.

Important Information
The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services has declared a public health emergency that justifies the emergency use ofVEKLURY (remdesivir) to treat coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection. In response, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the unapproved product, VEKLURY, for the treatment ofCOVID-19.

 

[Lilibet]

Yes and TY. Me too. I could not even spit 26 feet let alone cough.

That would be quite a feat! Unfortunately lighter Covid aerosols can travel further in the air than your sneeze or cough initially travels.

Airborne Covid-19: Updated CDC guidance acknowledges virus can spread through the air - CNN

 

[tresir2012]

That would be quite a feat! Unfortunately lighter Covid aerosols can travel further in the air than your sneeze or cough initially travels.

Airborne Covid-19: Updated CDC guidance acknowledges virus can spread through the air - CNN

Maybe if it is very windy?


ETA I have found a source that mentioned this distance in April but at that time WHO were not recommending masks then, so it really is not surprising the general public have not universally accepted it, even now. That was 4 months into the pandemic by then and they already had this info about the distances. So why were WHO against masks then?

 

[Trino]

Main story is about Minnesota R Congressmen who flew commercial airline after Trump tested positive.

Twenty-five (25):
So far, 25 POSITIVE COVID TESTS:

1+2. President & Melania Trump
3. Bill Stepien, Trump campaign mgr
4. Hope Hicks
5. Kellyanne Conway
6. Sen. Mike Lee
7. Sen. Thom Tillis
8. Ronna McDaniel
9. Notre Dame Pres. Jenkins
10-12. Three WH reporters
13-23. Eleven staffers frm Cleveland debate
24. Sen. Ron "Russian Ron" Johnson
25. Chris Christy
Reps. Stauber, Emmer, Hagedorn fly Delta after flying with Trump

 

[mickey2942]

Travel Alert: 10 States Now At ‘Tipping Point,’ Per Harvard-Brown Covid-19 Tracker

This doesn't bode well.

 

[Lilibet]

Maybe if it is very windy?

Yes on outside breeze and on air conditioning breeze inside. I think the article I linked likened it to smoke in a room. The further away, the less you’ll inhale. But the virus is still there and can infect someone. It can definitely travel more than six feet. From what I read we should stay at least six feet apart.

 

[branmuffin]

People lie for many reasons. Many have no civic duty only self interest. If that person is an elected official, then there is due process for that. I hope you are not advocating the extreme examples you provide.

Nothing in my post has even a whiff of advocation. It was merely an acknowledgement of past instances, good or bad.

 

[gngr~snap]

Sadly, I believe Trump thinks he is on the mend. Perhaps he is, however unlikely that may be.
IMO, he hasn't even begun to experience the reality of COVID19! Time will tell, next Saturday he will be back at the White House on the mend or he will still be at Walter Reed hospital.
I do not think he is able to grasp what this illness has yet to do to him.
I know so many... 60+ who spent weeks in the hospital, not even on a ventilator!
May he and the First Lady be well!
MOO

 

[10ofRods]

A patient who lies or doesn't provide the proper information to the doctor is guilty of endangering everyone they come in contact with. Doesn't matter if the subject is Covid, AIDS or TB. People lie because they are lazy.

But as far as I'm concerned advice from your doctor will never trump civic responsibility. Civic responsibility is a two way street: for everyone who willingly wears a mask, reduces their interaction with the general public, maintains safe distances to avoid infection there are individuals who believe that personal freedom outweighs the threat they pose.

It's not unusual for the general public to hold these people up for ridicule or worse. Public stocks, shaving the heads of Nazi collaborators, and even worse have been enacted when individuals weighed their own interests against the greater good.

It was very very clear that you weren't advocating lying. VERY clear.

Lying happens for many reasons - alleged self-interest is one. Kids and adults both lie because they are embarrassed or humiliated by their own past (mis)deeds. But we do have to hold the line in our legal proceedings, no question about that.