Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #81

[Simply Southern]

Don’t hospital patients usually have an IV in case of an emergency? And weren’t Trump’s experimental drugs given through an IV? How can a patient wear a shirt and jacket? Are we to believe he isn’t attached to monitors? BP and heart? Photo op?

IVs can and are given intermittently in certain cases or a "access cannula" can be inserted into the forearm. I had both during an inpatient stay. When I pulled my long sleeve gown down you couldn't see the access port.

During my critical/acute period I was hooked up to monitors. As my condition improved I was disconnected for periods and allowed to go to bathroom, walk around the room and halls. Doctors want folks up and moving at the earliest opportunity, reduce the risk of blood clots and pneumonia.
JMHO...

Eta...to correct terminology to cannula.

 

[sds71]

Four people in their 70s and 80s recall how battling the coronavirus illness changed their lives.


Chicken Soup, Remdesivir and Deep Breaths: How Older Patients Survived Covid-19

 

[GRT]

Was a coughing jag edited out after he says the word "therapeutics" at 1:04 ?
Covid-19 Live Updates: Trump in Hospital for 3rd Day as Questions Over Condition Mount
They should have left it in. Tweaking the video will only create more confusion and uncertainty.

It kind of looks like it. Can't be sure, though.

 

[CSIDreamer]

But that is what they must have done, otherwise... how can you explain why no lines during the press release. This seems that you are stating two things that are mutually exclusive? MOO

We know from the pressers that he is going to be receiving, and has already started the Remdisivir which is a 5 day protocol. And that MUST be through a port over a period of time every 5 days. It's not through an injection each time with a new stab in the arm. (Fact) ergo... he must have a port through deduction it seems logical to me. And that indeed yes, he is having the line to that port for the videos.

What other explanation do you think for such?

It does make sense that he wants to settle unrest in the markets and world peace etc. that the leader of the United States is still lucid and able to retain his position. MOO And he is getting treatments, and balancing out by doing what many of us normal folks cannot do while being treated in a hospital with a usual port, as he, like Boris would be expected to have someone by them medically one on one. MOO

MOO

Isn't a port placed through a surgical procedure?

I've had a cannula (i think thats spelled right) but never a port.

Maybe I'm overthinking what a port is. The only people I know with ports had cancer treatment. Jmo

My point being it isn't hard at all to hide a cannula between saline changes.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I was exiting the grocery store just as a middle-age woman came in without a mask and the greeter asked if she'd like a complimentary one. She said she had been one of the first people in the county to become infected and it was now two months since she had recovered according to the guidelines.

That made me start wondering how many of the people I see without masks fit into that category? I guess the more people who are infected and then recover, the more people who will no longer need a mask to protect themselves or others.

We don't know that yet, about how long they may have immunity.

 

[Simply Southern]

Actually in our household, DH had his worst day around day 9. (Day 9 after first symptomatic). Exposed on Monday March 30, slight symptoms by Saturday April 4, worsened next few days, tested (for regular flu and CoVid) Thursday April 9, positive for CoVid results received Saturday April 11, back to hospital with breathing issues Sunday April 12...sent back home after a few hours because hospital said he was ok to recover at home and so as not to be exposed to other viral patients. He then had a rough week with aches and pains and severe chills (no fever, no cough), and some hallucinations too. Better by the weekend of April 18-19 though fatigued for another week perhaps. Back to work and seeing clients by end of April. Merci Dieu how it all played out

My point is, he seemed fine in the beginning and Urgent Care (tele-health) and his own endocrinologist (phone conversation) were diagnosing regular flu.

My neighbors had Covid and said day 7-9 were the worst, experiencing breathing difficulties and fevers spiking at 103° Day 10 started with improvement in breathing and reduced fever.

 

[rogue ant]

That is true, but, having been a patient in a hospital, they leave an IV in your arm with a bag of Normal saline: now the fluids may be running or not, but they leave the IV in so they can infuse IV meds if they need to: i can't imagine removing that bag of fluids and having to put another bag of fluids each time they want to infuse some type of IV medication.

Sometimes they leave the port in but don't leave the saline bag or the line attached to it. They cap the port between treatments. Source: relative was in hospital recently and that was the setup.

 

[ilovewings]

Sometimes they leave the port in but don't leave the saline bag or the line attached to it. They cap the port between treatments. Source: relative was in hospital recently and that was the setup.

Thank you for the info!!!

 

[tresir2012]

For Remdesivir, that information doesn't have a release as the touting for such is not a difference in outcome, it's touting is a reduction in hospitalization days iirc 3-4 days. Can you be more specific as to recoveries? For COVID in general, his age group and discussion of such were on the previous posts that I did for the three doctors as to fatality rates in his age range..yet so much more to consider to nail down past statistics...

IIRC it was around 4% just merely as the average ongoing death rate at his age. Complications were much higher in this age group compared to younger folks.

brb possibly to capture a screen shot from MedCram or Dr Hansen or Dr Campbell if you are looking for mortality at his age?

ETA:

View attachment 266745showing "complication rate" is 5 times more than someone 18-29 years old

View attachment 266746 shows graph of survival/death by age. Verified my above recollection, the death rate at age 74 group is 4%.. stated at timeframe in my screenshot.

Remdisivir trials have NO SUCH information, nor does the antibody treatment that he has received at this time. That info just is not available at all at this time. We only have info to share that is general. MOO

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HTH to address the inquiry you had.

Also, thanks for your post to also address that "recovery" rates are soooo different and apples and oranges.

Have edited my post. The Israeli study was only recovery days. I added another study that shows percentages. This was probably pre Remdesivir IMO so should be better than 8% now IMO.

ETA TY for the screenshots I would guess that is 4% too but it does say it is an estimate.

 

[Trino]

Thank you for the info!!!

What about the heart monitor? Shouldn’t he be attached to that?

 

[tresir2012]

Sometimes they leave the port in but don't leave the saline bag or the line attached to it. They cap the port between treatments. Source: relative was in hospital recently and that was the setup.

And you can carry your drip around with you or have it under your clothes. Source :- experience.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Sometimes they leave the port in but don't leave the saline bag or the line attached to it. They cap the port between treatments. Source: relative was in hospital recently and that was the setup.

Yes, they just flush it every hour or so to keep it open. Been there, done that. They really prefer to put it in the back of the hand these days, though, although sometimes a patient can insist on the arm. They knew they would need photo ops plus they won't want hand bruises appearing when he is released because hand discoloration makes many people automatically think of "old people" bruising, and they don't want to convey that subliminal message, either. He likely has it in his arm.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What about the heart monitor? Shouldn’t he be attached to that?

If you are able to get up to pee on your own in the hospital, even a regular person will have monitors detached to do so. So they can do this easily for potus photo ops. Again, unfortunately I've been there with this as well.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Isn't a port placed through a surgical procedure?

I've had a cannula (i think thats spelled right) but never a port.

Maybe I'm overthinking what a port is. The only people I know with ports had cancer treatment. Jmo

My point being it isn't hard at all to hide a cannula between saline changes.

I guess I've been in the hospital too many times, and a member of the 7 gallon club with blood banks...familar with both, and have these. This photo for which I did the link upthread shows that you merely have a needle with a port put in your arm, then taped down.

Easy, simple, no biggie! It's merely what you have in your arm to get the saline and injections with a support to cover so when you put on clothing, it doesn't hit it to dislodge.

You may be thinking cancer ports in chest? vs. just a simple line in the arm which is very very very common to disconnect and then sterilize for reinsertion?

An implanted port is a device that allows repeated and long-term access to your bloodstream. It can be used for antibiotics, IV nutrition, and other IV fluids. When someone gets a port placed, they will not need IV catheters like peripheral IVs or PICC lines (unless more than one access is required).

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You may again be thinking of a chest port for cancer patients, which is surgical as chemotheraphy cannot be given through arms as too toxic for veins?

Redesivir is given through arm port, not chest port. MOO

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[CSIDreamer]

I guess I've been in the hospital too many times, and a member of the 7 gallon club with blood banks...familar with both, and have these. This photo for which I did the link upthread shows that you merely have a needle with a port put in your arm, then taped down.

Easy, simple, no biggie! It's merely what you have in your arm to get the saline and injections with a support to cover so when you put on clothing, it doesn't hit it to dislodge.

You may be thinking cancer ports in chest? vs. just a simple line in the arm which is very very very common to disconnect and then sterilize for reinsertion?

You may again be thinking of a chest port for cancer patients, which is surgical as chemotheraphy cannot be given through arms as too toxic for veins?

MOO

Yeah, I was thinking cancer ports.

I've had a lot of "ports" in my arm they always call "cannulas". So we're talking about the same thing, just different terms.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Night all. Be safe. Be kind. Wear your dang mask.

Or Stay the Blazes Home. Premier Stephen McNeil, Nova Scotia...

Stay the Blazes Home
KekeBeatz

I am so tired of hearing
Of grocery stores
Walmart
Tim horton parking lots
Filled with cars
As if we're not in the midst
Of a deadly pandemic
We are
To the reckless & selfish I am talking to you (Talking to you)
Stay the blazes home
Stay the blazes home
I am talking to you
When all we have to do
Is stay the blazes home
Stay the blazes home
Stay the blazes home
I am talking to you
When all we have to do
Is stay the blazes home
We don't need online graphs to tell us what we need to do
We need to stay the blazes home
I am not trying to scare you but
Part of me wishes you were scared
The virus will find you
Then it finds your loved ones
Then it finds…

 

[GRT]

And will we ever know the truth? The photo of Trump “working” from the hospital was IMO very staged.

Only time will tell, but it's not unusual for presidents (or other officials) to fudge when it comes to their health. I remember reading that when FDR died a good number of Americans didn't even know he had been paralyzed from polio decades earlier.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yeah, I was thinking cancer ports.

I've had a lot of "ports" in my arm they always call "cannulas". So we're talking about the same thing, just different terms.

Understood, that's why photos help us all out in translation. Egads.. learned on these threads that in UK folks call what we state in US as shots.. they call STABS! Our UK folks kept talking about flu stabs as does Dr. Campbell each time.. what a word to use here at WS.. STABS! eeks!

Now that I think of it.. shots vs. stabs? We all need less scary words for us WS folks who think crime activity

 

[Medstudies]

Travel Alert: 10 States Now At ‘Tipping Point,’ Per Harvard-Brown Covid-19 Tracker

“Based on the tracker’s latest data, 10 states — North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Utah, Iowa, Montana, Arkansas, Idaho, Oklahoma and Alabama — are now in the red zone, which means they have 25 or more new positive Covid-19 cases every day per 100,000 people. At that level of spread, states should be under stay-at-home orders, according to the Harvard and Brown researchers.

The spread of the disease accelerated across America’s heartland during September. Three weeks ago, only North Dakota was in the red zone. Since September 11, the Roughrider State’s caseload climbed a whopping 67%, from 32.1 to 53.7 new daily cases per 100,000 people.”

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is not going away, friends. Keep your guard up as cased continue to rise in the sleepier quieter areas of the country....

Florida health officials report 2,811 new cases of COVID-19

Nearly 25% of state’s COVID-19 deaths added Saturday were in Northeast Florida