Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[musicaljoke]

Not who you asked, but YES the "deductible" is in addition to the monthly premiums.

In my case, I have to pay out $6,750 before insurance pays much of anything. I have already paid over $8,000 this year JUST IN PREMIUMS. All my expensive insurance has paid is the cost of two Covid-19 tests and a small amount on an ultrasound (about $235 total). And guess what? In January, the deductible goes back to zero and the $6,750 starts all over again.

It's highway robbery, IMO. For many of us, it's hard to afford to go to the doctor and pay your premium in the same month.

Wow, I had no idea health insurance is this expensive. I'm really sorry that the costs are so high.

 

[CharlestonGal]

University says students may be intentionally getting coronavirus so they can sell antibody plasma

Brigham Young University's campus in Idaho said this week it is investigating claims that some students are "intentionally" trying to get sick with COVID-19 in order to sell their plasma for cash. The university said it plans to suspend any students caught attempting to contract the virus on purpose.

One donation site, located close to the university, says on its website that it will pay survivors of COVID-19 $100 per visit "as a special thank you" for "saving lives during a pandemic." The site says that survivors can potentially donate plasma multiple times.

East Idaho News reports that another nearby donation site is offering donors $200 for each of their first two visits.

 

[musicaljoke]

... They aren't defiant, when they go into a grocery store that requires a mask, they wear one, but when they aren't required to wear a mask, they don't. They understand my choice, however, and accept it, as I accept their choice. We have different risk assessments, based on age and health.

Are you saying that some people assess their risks of getting covid based on their age and health, and use that information to decide whether or not they will put on a mask?

If that's the case, then the message about why we wear masks is still not understood. This is a good example of what we've been discussing earlier, how sometimes people may be able to read, and may hear the news about wearing masks, but they don't comprehend what they've read or heard.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

 

[CharlestonGal]

Are you saying that some people assess their risks of getting covid based on their age and health, and use that information to decide whether or not they will put on a mask?

If that's the case, then the message about why we wear masks is still not understood. This is a good example of what we've been discussing earlier, how sometimes people may be able to read, and may hear the news about wearing masks, but they don't comprehend what they've read or heard.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

Unfortunately, there are still a large number of people who fail to understand we wear masks to protect each other. Our leaders have failed to convey consistent and clear messages about this and some people just blindly follow what they see (leaders not taking precautions) rather than following the science. jmo

 

[MimosaMornings]

Most Home Health Aides ‘Can’t Afford Not to Work’ — Even When Lacking PPE — Kaiser Health News

“During the pandemic, home health aides have buttressed the U.S. health care system by keeping the most vulnerable patients — seniors, the disabled, the infirm — out of hospitals. Yet even as they’ve put themselves at risk, this workforce of 2.3 million — of whom 9 in 10 are women, nearly two-thirds are minorities and almost one-third are foreign-born — has largely been overlooked.”

These are the people going to seniors homes.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Unfortunately, there are still a large number of people who fail to understand we wear masks to protect each other. Our leaders have failed to convey consistent and clear messages about this and some people just blindly follow what they see (leaders not taking precautions) rather than following the science. jmo

Most people fully understand why masks are being worn.

Why some aren’t wearing them is by choice.

It’s not because they are blindly following our leaders who aren’t taking precautions.

JMO

 

[nightowl1975]

This may be the difference.

Oh, I don’t think there’s even a TINY chance that there were no cases that resulted from the protests and riots over the summer. Just because something isn’t reported doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

 

[10ofRods]

Are you saying that some people assess their risks of getting covid based on their age and health, and use that information to decide whether or not they will put on a mask?

If that's the case, then the message about why we wear masks is still not understood. This is a good example of what we've been discussing earlier, how sometimes people may be able to read, and may hear the news about wearing masks, but they don't comprehend what they've read or heard.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

This should be a sticky.

This thread is full of reports of people not wearing masks because...they think they've assessed their own risks and don't need to.

So, while some believe that everyone understands the situation, everyone doesn't understand or comprehend.

I do get it though. We can't all take every precaution regarding every health/safety issue. We each focus on what's more likely to happen to us. I look for fire updates and news, because it's useful to me. I watch hurricanes from afar and do not feel the need to follow them as closely as the fires near me.

A young person, say 18 years old, is so unlikely to even feel sick from CoVid, doesn't care if they get it, their parents don't care of they get it, they don't wear a mask, etc. Many 30-somethings feel the same way (and are largely accurate).

Most people think the masks are about protecting themselves, not others.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Most people fully understand why masks are being worn.

Why some aren’t wearing them is by choice.

It’s not because they are blindly following our leaders who aren’t taking precautions.

JMO

And there are those that put on a show by putting on masks and showing how they social distance when filming a drive by graduation. Yet they host parties after graduation in spite of the mandate and when positive cases inevitably start showing up - they shut out contact tracing. Does not apply to them.
Georgia Today: How The 'Lovett Cluster' Stymied Contact Tracers

 

[nightowl1975]

Acknowledging we disagree...
It makes me uncomfortable that anyone would suggest that people refrain from protesting and expressing their view about any issue
I value that right

My view

I also believe we have the right to protest and attend rallies. I just personally find it incredibly fascinating that only positive cases from rallies for certain political figures are mentioned in MSM when I have no doubt whatsoever that positives also resulted from protests. Why is one newsworthy and the other not? Who decides if protests for X issue is worth whatever positives came from those protests but somehow positives from a rally are to be condemned? That’s the part that perplexes me. It doesn’t much matter to me if I agree with whatever is being protested or whichever candidate is being rallied around. Both are fundamental free speech rights in our country. If one decides either or neither or both are worth risking contracting covid, who am I to tell them they’re wrong?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This should be a sticky.

This thread is full of reports of people not wearing masks because...they think they've assessed their own risks and don't need to.

So, while some believe that everyone understands the situation, everyone doesn't understand or comprehend.

I do get it though. We can't all take every precaution regarding every health/safety issue. We each focus on what's more likely to happen to us. I look for fire updates and news, because it's useful to me. I watch hurricanes from afar and do not feel the need to follow them as closely as the fires near me.

A young person, say 18 years old, is so unlikely to even feel sick from CoVid, doesn't care if they get it, their parents don't care of they get it, they don't wear a mask, etc. Many 30-somethings feel the same way (and are largely accurate).

Most people think the masks are about protecting themselves, not others.

I find it interesting that you are saying most people think masks are about protecting themselves.

I think most people know masks are worn to protect others.

I would love to see a true and unbiased poll.

 

[drama_farmer]

I find it interesting that you are saying most people think masks are about protecting themselves.

I think most people know masks are worn to protect others.

I would love to see a true and unbiased poll.

Maybe the folks who ARE wearing masks do so because they understand it's about protecting others, and those who choose NOT to wear masks believe it's only about protecting themselves?

Because if a person understands that masks are about protecting others and still decide NOT to wear them, does that mean they truly don't care about others?

 

[MsArk]

I find it interesting that you are saying most people think masks are about protecting themselves.

I think most people know masks are worn to protect others.

I would love to see a true and unbiased poll.

I live in Mississippi. Our numbers are steadily increasing after a late July - early August spike, when the governor finally enacted a mask mandate. The numbers fell during September so he, first in the US to do so, removed the mandate in late September. Interestingly (lol) we are spiking again. I would invite people to go to the Mississippi State Dept of Health FB page to see the comments. There are a TON of posts that say “why should I wear a mask if you have one on”. My blood pressure rises every time I read comments...truly unreal. The overwhelmingly general opinions have much more to do with politics and less than literacy.

Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in. MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Maybe the folks who ARE wearing masks do so because they understand it's about protecting others, and those who choose NOT to wear masks believe it's only about protecting themselves?

Because if a person understands that masks are about protecting others and still decide NOT to wear them, does that mean they truly don't care about others?

I think it’s a combination of people being selfish, defiant, feeling well with no symptoms, complacency and not caring.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Most people fully understand why masks are being worn.

Why some aren’t wearing them is by choice.

It’s not because they are blindly following our leaders who aren’t taking precautions.

JMO

I don’t really understand why people fight the very things that will help them though. Countries that just did what they needed to do are back to functioning pretty close to normal and getting their economies back. South Korea, Vietnam, etc, were on it from the start and citizens by and large complied. It sounds like people are wanting the economy back, yet they’re resisting the very things that will get it back and I can’t understand the thinking behind this choice. Do you have any insight as to why?

Mitigation measures clearly do work - I’m living it right now in Melbourne. We were around the same number of cases (700 or so) as the UK, France etc on July 30 and today they’re over 15,000 cases a day and today we have just two cases. And the rest of the country has been living almost-normal life for months now. They don’t need masks as there is no community transmission, everything is open. I want peoples businesses to open - and them to have an abundance of customers, the hairdressers, the restaurants, the pubs, the clubs. So of course I follow the mitigation measures (along with 99.9% of the population) because we all want those same things.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don’t really understand why people fight the very things that will help them though. Countries that just did what they needed to do are back to functioning pretty close to normal and getting their economies back. South Korea, Vietnam, etc, were on it from the start and citizens by and large complied. It sounds like people are wanting the economy back, yet they’re resisting the very things that will get it back and I can’t understand the thinking behind this choice. Do you have any insight as to why?

Mitigation measures clearly do work - I’m living it right now in Melbourne. We were around the same number of cases (700 or so) as the UK, France etc on July 30 and today they’re over 15,000 cases a day and today we have just two cases. And the rest of the country has been living almost-normal life for months now. They don’t need masks as there is no community transmission, everything is open. I want peoples businesses to open - and them to have an abundance of customers, the hairdressers, the restaurants, the pubs, the clubs. So of course I follow the mitigation measures (along with 99.9% of the population) because we all want those same things.

I wish I had some insight as to why people are resisting. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. Seems reckless to me.

 

[SouthAussie]

I also believe we have the right to protest and attend rallies. I just personally find it incredibly fascinating that only positive cases from rallies for certain political figures are mentioned in MSM when I have no doubt whatsoever that positives also resulted from protests. Why is one newsworthy and the other not? Who decides if protests for X issue is worth whatever positives came from those protests but somehow positives from a rally are to be condemned? That’s the part that perplexes me. It doesn’t much matter to me if I agree with whatever is being protested or whichever candidate is being rallied around. Both are fundamental free speech rights in our country. If one decides either or neither or both are worth risking contracting covid, who am I to tell them they’re wrong?

Hopefully you would be one of the many people who want to see all people buckle down and suppress this virus.

It seems to be about 'not sacrificing' anything at all to get rid of this virus. Life must go on as normal. Regardless. As long as those rights are not temporarily impinged upon in any way. So the terrible sacrifice has ended up being the lives of 219,000 people - and the health of countless others - so far.

IMO

Geez ... it seems like just yesterday it was 200,000 people who were now deceased. Today I look and it is already 219,000 people.

 

[mickey2942]

I wish I had some insight as to why people are resisting. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. Seems reckless to me.

Some people just like to be defiant. The fact that it is counter productive and illogical is not factored into their thought process.

Others, are convinced that Covid is just another word for "flu", and actually want to get it, and get it over with, as if getting Covid is inevitable anyway, so get it done. The whole situation is mind boggling.

Meanwhile, I am hunkering down for the winter. Our house is well stocked, no need to venture out.

 

[tresir2012]

Yeah - IOW, context. Which of course, if you come from a life of privilege, it might not be so obvious.

Speaking of privilege....

Tony Blair breaks quarantine rules after flying to White House in private jet

 

[SouthAussie]

Speaking of privilege....

Tony Blair breaks quarantine rules after flying to White House in private jet

I see a letter has been leaked saying that Wales is going into a cicuit breaker lockdown in about 5 days time?



World sees record new cases; Australian state set to ease restrictions – as it happened