Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[dmac55]

Frightening...

"If there's a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it. I couldn’t care less," the president said following the heated comments.

"People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots..." Trump said, according to Politico.

Despite slamming the coronavirus expert, the president went on to say "Fauci is a nice guy" before saying "he's been here for 500 years."

During the call, Trump also insisted that if he had listened to Fauci's advice there would be "700,000, 800,000 deaths."

Trump calls Dr Fauci ‘an IDIOT’ & says people are ‘tired of hearing about Covid’

President Trump is the only person i have seen or read about, on local or national news, who has not developed a profound change of tune and deep respect for the seriousness of COVID-19 after either being infected themselves, or having a family member who has been infected

The following reflects what i have seen and heard via the news, from other people:

"The ramifications are wildly random and potentially deadly," Christie said in a statement. "No one should be happy to get the virus and no one should be cavalier about being infected or infecting others."

Chris Christie reveals he spent 7 days in ICU and admits he was 'wrong' to not wear a mask - CNNPolitics
Chris Christie reveals he spent 7 days in ICU and admits he was 'wrong' to not wear a mask - CNNPolitics

My view/experiences

 

[Satchie]

If you live in Canada, you can cross the border by car? Perhaps have a dual passport?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/quarantine-emmaloop-plates-covid19-coronavirus-1.5766015

Canadians can definitely come home, by any means possible. I think if she works in the US (and has her car registered there), she must have something like a green card, giving her permission to re-enter the US, that a tourist wouldn't have.

ETA, Canadians with permanent residency in Mexico are unable to get over the border to drive down via the US, they have to fly.

 

[Sundog]

Casket outside Brooklyn nursing home filled with 6,500 Cuomo book covers, representing 6,500 seniors who lost their lives to COVID due to Cuomo's policy on returning COVID-19 positive elderly to nursing homes

https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/casket-outside-brooklyn-nursing-home-filled-with-cuomo-book-covers/

 

[MimosaMornings]

Canadians can definitely come home, by any means possible. I think if she works in the US (and has her car registered there), she must have something like a green card, giving her permission to re-enter the US, that a tourist wouldn't have.

ETA, Canadians with permanent residency in Mexico are unable to get over the border to drive down via the US, they have to fly.

That makes sense. I know your license has to match the car registration in DC. At least it did when I lived there.
Glad she was able to go back home.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Casket outside Brooklyn nursing home filled with 6,500 Cuomo book covers, representing 6,500 seniors who lost their lives to COVID due to Cuomo's policy on returning COVID-19 positive elderly to nursing homes



https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/casket-outside-brooklyn-nursing-home-filled-with-cuomo-book-covers/

Gosh, they'd need several trucks full outside the White House then.

My opinion only.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Frightening...

"If there's a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it. I couldn’t care less," the president said following the heated comments.

"People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots..." Trump said, according to Politico.

Despite slamming the coronavirus expert, the president went on to say "Fauci is a nice guy" before saying "he's been here for 500 years."

During the call, Trump also insisted that if he had listened to Fauci's advice there would be "700,000, 800,000 deaths."

Trump calls Dr Fauci ‘an IDIOT’ & says people are ‘tired of hearing about Covid’

What the....

I don't know how to respond to this. Except maybe to say that we may be tired of covid, but covid is not tired of us.

 

[Satchie]

My own view is that being indoors in a heated (dry) environment with lots of people is a really bad strategy for winter.

That's where some of the science seems to be focussing, that a single infected person in a large, crowded, indoor setting can set in motion a exponetial spread that far exceeds the spread caused by dozens of other people who only infected 0 or 1 person each.

An (kinda complex) article in the Guardian today suggests that limiting the super spreader events may be the key to keeping the pandemic under control, and this is why Japan has avoided the crisis that other countries have gone through.

"officials in Japan decided early to implement recommendations against and restrictions on gatherings in crowded, enclosed spaces, which may have an outsized effect on transmission because of the likelihood of superspreading in such contexts."
Understanding how ‘overdispersion’ works is key to controlling Covid | Kyra Grantz and Justin Lessler

Since the above article is hard to understand, I found this Atlantic article sorry if it's already been linked: K, the Overlooked Variable
This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic

"Sweden imposed a 50-person limit on indoor gatherings in March, and did not remove the cap even as many other European countries eased such restrictions after beating back the first wave."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Casket outside Brooklyn nursing home filled with 6,500 Cuomo book covers, representing 6,500 seniors who lost their lives to COVID due to Cuomo's policy on returning COVID-19 positive elderly to nursing homes

https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/casket-outside-brooklyn-nursing-home-filled-with-cuomo-book-covers/

Yes, that was an error that he was pushed back on by many, and lives indeed were lost due to such an error with the novel virus at that time. The change was he reversed his decision in May to OUTLAW what he said was ok at first.

He did an executive order changing it after a scientific learning curve/evidence curve was done. So many sad things with this novel virus that happened. He did an executive order reversing his stance on May 10th. He realized the error of his ways MOO and accepted that there was a learning/evidence curve, and perhaps took "governmental time" to pass muster to give his change in law.

Tragic tragic tragic. NY state was the first hit hard AND strong at the outset, and the rest of the US learned so much as to needed protections of the elderly at that time... and it was a turn around. Just look at what King county is still doing (for those that recall, first case and they CONTINUE to do EXCELLENT daily text alerts for anyone that signs up... EXCEPTIONAL health services communications from that ONE county that had what the MSM stated was the first in the US)

Elmhurst situation for all that recall and were here at the time was just awful.

I didn't follow how many other governors did the same in their states in May or since then... upon learning of NY tragedy? Do you know how many other states now forbid hospitals releasing back to nursing homes without a negative test as I don't think Florida does, haven't looked into other states MOO? I saw many many superspreaders in LTC's after Washington State and NY state realized and put in stop and laws. I just did a quick google search, and don't see other states that followed his lead in May... do you?

TOS at this time may prohibit to going into coverage of medicare which could add to discussion. I've put in a request to speak to insurance in the threads re COVID at this time.

No. 202.30 Continuing Temporary Suspension and Modification of Laws Relating to the Disaster Emergency

• Any article 28 general hospital shall not discharge a patient to a nursing home, unless the nursing home operator or administrator has first certified that it is able to properly care for such patient. Provided further, that any article 28 general hospital shall not discharge a patient to a nursing home, without first performing a diagnostic test for COVID-19 and obtaining a negative result.

G I V E N under my hand and the Privy Seal of the State in the City of Albany this tenth day of May in the year two thousand twenty.

 

[CharlestonGal]

That's where some of the science seems to be focussing, that a single infected person in a large, crowded, indoor setting can set in motion a exponetial spread that far exceeds the spread caused by dozens of other people who only infected 0 or 1 person each.

An (kinda complex) article in the Guardian today suggests that limiting the super spreader events may be the key to keeping the pandemic under control, and this is why Japan has avoided the crisis that other countries have gone through.

"officials in Japan decided early to implement recommendations against and restrictions on gatherings in crowded, enclosed spaces, which may have an outsized effect on transmission because of the likelihood of superspreading in such contexts."
Understanding how ‘overdispersion’ works is key to controlling Covid | Kyra Grantz and Justin Lessler

Since the above article is hard to understand, I found this Atlantic article sorry if it's already been linked: K, the Overlooked Variable
This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic

"Sweden imposed a 50-person limit on indoor gatherings in March, and did not remove the cap even as many other European countries eased such restrictions after beating back the first wave."

I think the size of the venue should be taken in account as well when deciding person-limits. Here in SC person-limits were based on sq footage. 1 person for each X number of sq ft. That resulted in each business having a different person-limit. 50 people in a small shop is completely different than 50 people in a large Walmart. jmo

 

[musicaljoke]

Literally, what can you say? (Without getting a time-out... ;-) )

I grow more concerned for the state of the world every day...We sure ain’t in Kansas anymore Toto...

I just pray that Dr. Fauci stays strong and keeps the messages coming. I hope he gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom, or something similar. He needs to know that he world holds him in high esteem.


Presidential Medal of Freedom - Wikipedia.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Literally, what can you say? (Without getting a time-out... ;-) )

I grow more concerned for the state of the world every day...We sure ain’t in Kansas anymore Toto...

I hope, when this nightmare of a storm is over, you all wake up back in your beds in Kansas with a slightly sore head and Toto by your side.

Meanwhile, we're playing croquet in Wonderland with Alice and bunch of mad characters, and can't wait 'til we wake up from that weird dream either.

 

[sds71]

I just pray that Dr. Fauci stays strong and keeps the messages coming. I hope he gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom, or something similar. He needs to know that he world holds him in high esteem.

Presidential Medal of Freedom - Wikipedia.

President Bush presented it to him.
ETA:W

 

[musicaljoke]

President Bush presented it to him.

Oh! Seriously! Wow ... then the Gold Medal. Does he have one of those already too?

 

[JerseyGirl]

President Bush presented it to him.
ETA:W

In 2008, US President George W. Bush presents the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Fauci "for his determined and aggressive efforts to help others live longer and healthier lives."

Photos: Dr. Anthony Fauci's career under six US presidents

 

[sds71]

@SenAlexander
Dr. Fauci is one of our country’s most distinguished public servants. He has served 6 presidents, starting with Ronald Reagan. If more Americans paid attention to his advice, we’d have fewer cases of COVID-19, & it would be safer to go back to school & back to work & out to eat.

 

[MimosaMornings]

I think the size of the venue should be taken in account as well when deciding person-limits. Here in SC person-limits were based on sq footage. 1 person for each X number of sq ft. That resulted in each business having a different person-limit. 50 people in a small shop is completely different than 50 people in a large Walmart. jmo

Wondering about the different scenarios.
1) restaurant - indoor tables spaced at least 6 feet apart. You sit at your table and do not mingle with others. Masks? I think so but I haven’t seen any masks being worn at indoor dining in several areas.

2) bar - seats spaced out at bar, six feet apart, don’t know that is even possible in smaller bars. Masks worn since you’re not eating?
Just move it to take a sip?
Or is everyone huddled elbow to elbow at the bar?

3) event center/hall/rented space
(weddings, funerals, birthday, parties)
Social distancing? Doubtful. Does each person have their own circle that they stay in? No mingling with others. Definitely no buffet, chocolate fountain or serve yourself bar. You go to your assigned seat. Sit at your own table and stay there. No dancing. Masks? Nope.

JMO - I think indoor parties/receptions/etc where people do not social distance or wear masks is risky.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Trudeau and Trump are worlds apart on the Canada-U.S. border closure

I hope some of our Canadians here will let us know what people ARE thinking about this. There are hardships all the way around, but real concerns of outbreaks as well.

This article does not mention a quarantine when Canadians fly back...I thought that was ini effect as well????

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Speaking of medals/awards, Dr. Fauci has just been awarded another prestigious one from the National Academy of Medicine:

Anthony Fauci Receives 2020 Lienhard Award; Stephen Hinshaw Receives 2020 Sarnat Prize - National Academy of Medicine

Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), is receiving the 2020 Gustav O. Lienhard Award for Advancement of Health Care for his role as a leader of federal research and policy on infectious diseases and, in particular, for his deft, scientifically grounded leadership in shaping an effective response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

[SouthAussie]

I hope some of our Canadians here will let us know what people ARE thinking about this. There are hardships all the way around, but real concerns of outbreaks as well.

This article does not mention a quarantine when Canadians fly back...I thought that was ini effect as well????

A friend of mine who lives in Canada (Ontario) just got back to Canada after flying to California to spend time with a very ill relative there ... she is now quarantining for 14 days, as she must do.

(She wouldn't have gone to California, and had been vacillating about doing so, but it is an extremely serious situation. Not sure if she got some kind of Canadian exemption before travelling.)

 

[LadyL]

I hope some of our Canadians here will let us know what people ARE thinking about this. There are hardships all the way around, but real concerns of outbreaks as well.

This article does not mention a quarantine when Canadians fly back...I thought that was ini effect as well????

without getting political you mean? lol
uhhhhhhh, it needs to stay closed IMO