Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[mickey2942]

Well, here is reality. I'm over 60, and a bunch of us always got together many times a year (a group of 30-50 folks 5 times a year).

One person sent out an invite to go to a large restaurant to get together for the holidays, and this was one persons response. Her inside Christmas party is still on!

"Sounds like a great idea.... I couldn't... as it's too close to my xmas party probably on Sunday the dec 6th" (e.d. where 40 folks usually attend indoors in a VERY small house shoulder to shoulder with buffet over a 4 hour period)

Please folks, y'all were talking about how to nicely educate others on how such gatherings are soooo very wrong right now. But I can only think to just sit on hands and reply "I'm not going to crowd gatherings until into next year".

Does anyone who has been talking about "kindly educating" others have a comeback? I'm just sitting on hands vs. trying to educate a bunch of EDUCATED FOLKS in this group. I just cannot fathom any response to a group of 40 on this email invite for 2 inside gatherings during a damn pandemic.

WTH? What's a gal to do? Anything I say will appear sanctimonious? SMDH... I just have to sit on hands and not even discuss? How to handle?

I don't know. A co-worker was telling me about the "Super Cute" BIRTHDAY PARTY she is planning for her child next week!!!! WTH?!

Nicely, I wish this woman could stay home and quarantine herself for two weeks, and have a Covid test before she comes back to work.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Dr. Campbell today talks about "long Covid/long haul" and the age differences. He discusses second wave in Europe and US... and how every 100 tests in Europe 30% coming back positive in areas.

His summary below 1 of 7 have symptoms for weeks etc etc.

"Age (strongest predictor)
Older people are much more likely than younger people
Does occur across all ages
Around 10% of 18 - 49 year olds
Around 22% of over 70s"

 

[weepingangel]

CDC Looks to Shorten Quarantine Period for Kids
(paywalled at WSJ)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating ways to shorten suggested quarantine periods for school children who have been in contact with COVID-infected people so as to expedite their return to classrooms, according to The Wall Street Journal. One option that the CDC is exploring includes advising that children who have tested negative for the virus after a certain number of days can end their 14-day quarantine earlier. “We are actively working on pursuing data that can help inform that definition and that guidance,” a CDC spokesman said. “At this time, we do not have any clear, concrete science that would result in a change to current recommendations.”

 

[margarita25]

 

[Colorado303]

MOO ... yes, some places are doing a good job of protecting vulnerable people. But, we are also seeing that that vulnerable people are having to protect themselves and are choosing to self isolate, stop their volunteer work, stop seeing their families, stop their normal routines and activities while CoVid runs amok without the oversight needed to bring it under control. If protecting the vulnerable is just forcing them into self isolation, then I don't think that defines "protecting" the people who are at greatest risk.

As a vulnerable myself (asthma) it wasn’t too bad when everyone was the same boat. But staying home while the rest of the world goes about it’s merry way is hard. “We’re all in this together” is now “you sick/old/fat people are on your own and should just stay home”.

 

[Colorado303]

I don't know. A co-worker was telling me about the "Super Cute" BIRTHDAY PARTY she is planning for her child next week!!!! WTH?!

Nicely, I wish this woman could stay home and quarantine herself for two weeks, and have a Covid test before she comes back to work.

Same thing here. Very good friends hosted a little kid birthday party with 20+ mostly adult guests. No one wore masks. We declined and are now considered party poopers.

 

[weepingangel]

As a vulnerable myself (asthma) it wasn’t too bad when everyone was the same boat. But staying home while the rest of the world goes about it’s merry way is hard. “We’re all in this together” is now “you sick/old/fat people are on your own and should just stay home”.

Rbbm
Adding”you scared people”
If you’re scared just stay home so the rest of us can live our best lives, not having to wear muzzles/face diapers/masks because of you, public health and All that stuff be damned. Freedom !!!!!!

 

[weepingangel]

Omg. That is just horrifying.
The beginning of the end

eta wouldn’t it be interesting to see the contact tracing/tracking on all those people. Where the went how it spread from there. Like the biogen conference that was estimated to infect thousands iirc

 

[mickey2942]

As a vulnerable myself (asthma) it wasn’t too bad when everyone was the same boat. But staying home while the rest of the world goes about it’s merry way is hard. “We’re all in this together” is now “you sick/old/fat people are on your own and should just stay home”.

Yes, well put. And we have very public people who have had Covid, and state, "I feel terrific, better than I ever felt.". So, apparently Covid is "No big deal". Just get it and move on with life.

Unfortunately, so many of us don't have access to health care to get the best doctors and medications. I don't think that you or I will "feel terrific" two weeks after we have Covid.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Florida rising rising rising... and Florida govt trying all kinds of hiding games.

Florida reports almost 4,500 new COVID-19 cases


Florida has obscured the true extent of its pandemic by using a misleading measure of positive cases to justify reopening schools and businesses, state data indicates. While the state has publicized that its positivity rate has regularly fallen below 5%, other health organizations are publishing data that shows the rate may be dramatically higher.

Florida reports 4,471 new coronavirus cases, 77 more resident deaths


Delayed release of White House report shows COVID-19 spike in Central Florida
Seminole County Medical Director was disappointed in delayed release


ORLANDO, Fla. – White House officials raised concerns over “early warning signs in Florida” when they noticed a “week over week increase in (coronavirus) cases in The Villages and several counties, including Brevard," according to a report released to Gov. Ron DeSantis' office earlier this month.

The weekly report sent to DeSantis shows 25% of nursing home staff members were testing positive for COVID-19 and encouraged to continue “mitigation behaviors” for students at universities.

The problem? The report wasn’t made public for 11 days, until Thursday. On this day, Florida reported the highest single-day statewide increase in coronavirus cases since Sept. 1.

“That means that everyone is letting their guard down,” Seminole County Medical Director Dr. Todd Husty said. “It is very disappointing.”

Since the summer, White House officials have been sending weekly coronavirus reports to governors across the country.
The reports detail week over week trends for each state and include a slew of recommendations for officials trying to tackle the seemingly-never-ending pandemic.

Some, like Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, have chosen to immediately put the weekly state reports on a public website.

However, in Florida, News 6 found this is not the case. Reporters asking for copies of the reports were forced to file formal public records request for the weekly updates, even though the White House has said the recommendations are public and can be released.

Delayed release of White House report shows COVID-19 spike in Central Florida

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I don't remember where I initially heard it. It might be limited to a massive online group dedicated to it. Basically it's for people who love Aldi and especially all the goodies in the middle aisle. People go in for groceries and come out with tons of things they couldn't help buying from the aisle of shame.

ha ha......... I never heard of the aisle of shame either, and never really go down that aisle. Gotta try it now.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I’m no expert...but 70k cases a day to me seems to be pretty much open slather...and continuing to open schools and play sports, etc et al...I say to my 4 & 6 yr olds, if you’re not getting the results you want, you need to change the way you are doing it...they seem to understand that concept even at their age...

ETA MOO IMO

And sending kids into nursing homes. Florida thinks this is fine....

 

[mickey2942]

And sending kids into nursing homes. Florida thinks this is fine....

Survival of the fittest is where our society is now. Full circle.

What does 'survival of the fittest' mean in the coronavirus pandemic? Look to the immune system

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Dr. Campbell today talks about "long Covid/long haul" and the age differences. He discusses second wave in Europe and US... and how every 100 tests in Europe 30% coming back positive in areas.

His summary below 1 of 7 have symptoms for weeks etc etc.

"Age (strongest predictor)
Older people are much more likely than younger people
Does occur across all ages
Around 10% of 18 - 49 year olds
Around 22% of over 70s"

This is v interesting thanks. I am female, over 50, higher than should be BMI. I (believe I) had mild, but more than 5 symptoms.

I had a text today to say my random covid antigen test was received at the lab and could I complete the online questionnaire. As I was answering the questions, it took me to "how long have you had long covid"... which it had picked up from my answers. I was shocked to input 7 months!!! Still hoping they may send me an antibody test as a follow up.

 

[Trino]

Well, here is reality. I'm over 60, and a bunch of us always got together many times a year (a group of 30-50 folks 5 times a year).

One person sent out an invite to go to a large restaurant to get together for the holidays, and this was one persons response. Her inside Christmas party is still on!

"Sounds like a great idea.... I couldn't... as it's too close to my xmas party probably on Sunday the dec 6th" (e.d. where 40 folks usually attend indoors in a VERY small house shoulder to shoulder with buffet over a 4 hour period)

Please folks, y'all were talking about how to nicely educate others on how such gatherings are soooo very wrong right now. But I can only think to just sit on hands and reply "I'm not going to crowd gatherings until into next year".

Does anyone who has been talking about "kindly educating" others have a comeback? I'm just sitting on hands vs. trying to educate a bunch of EDUCATED FOLKS in this group. I just cannot fathom any response to a group of 40 on this email invite for 2 inside gatherings during a damn pandemic.

WTH? What's a gal to do? Anything I say will appear sanctimonious? SMDH... I just have to sit on hands and not even discuss? How to handle?

Politely "not feeling well" is probably a good answer. You cannot change what others think or are doing.

 

[Trino]

I don't know. A co-worker was telling me about the "Super Cute" BIRTHDAY PARTY she is planning for her child next week!!!! WTH?!

Nicely, I wish this woman could stay home and quarantine herself for two weeks, and have a Covid test before she comes back to work.

Another example of "This is over, isn't it?"

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Five coronavirus-related deaths, over 30 positive cases reported at Chelmsford nursing home
Mass/more at link
CHELMSFORD, MASS. (WHDH) - A coronavirus outbreak at a nursing home in Chelmsford has left five people dead and more than 30 testing positive for the virus.

The Sunny Acres Nursing and Rehabilitation Center recently reported the five coronavirus-related deaths to state health officials. More than 30 people at the home have also tested positive for the virus since the outbreak began in late September

In a statement the home said in part, “it has proved impossible to keep this rapidly spreading and highly contagious virus out of this center.”


Why a Harvard expert is worried about rising coronavirus hospitalizations | Boston.com



New sewer samples from the Boston area show evidence of a COVID-19 spike | Boston.com
This week, the Massachusetts Water Resources Authority’s weekly study — tracking traces of the coronavirus in wastewater — found the highest amounts of viral RNA since the pandemic’s surge in the spring, according the newspaper. The wastewater samples are taken three times a week at the Deer Island Treatment Plant, and this week, those samples consistently surpassed 200 viral RNA copies per milliliter, which hasn’t occurred since April. The samples some days this week topped 300 copies per milliliter.
Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer told the Heraldthe sewage data is “more evidence” that the Boston area is seeing a second wave of COVID-19.
“It’s super worrisome,” Hamer said. “I’m worried. A lot of us are nervous.”

It would be interesting to see more of this wastewater data across the country. I don't think it is as predictive as reflective, but still interesting... could be wrong.. any wastewater experts following??

 

[Trino]

Rbbm
Adding”you scared people”
If you’re scared just stay home so the rest of us can live our best lives, not having to wear muzzles/face diapers/masks because of you, public health and All that stuff be damned. Freedom !!!!!!

The problem, of course, is the rest who choose to live their best lives infect others who must go out for supplies. We aren't scared - go biking and hiking - but we are also not stupid.

 

[mickey2942]

Another example of "This is over, isn't it?"

It will be for my husband when he gets Covid. May as well put Hospice on speed dial. He won't be going to the hospital.

 

[BlueShoe]

Those are all familiar to me. For an earache, my mother would warm oil of cloves and put it in the ear with a dropper, and plug it with a cotton ball for a while. As I recall, the pain relief was instant.

Has anyone ever used onion syrup for cough? Apparently it's a very old home remedy--you cook cut onions with sugar or honey to make the syrup. I wonder if it would work for Covid cough.

I don't know if it would help with Covid, but for many years (and even now) I used a home-made cough syrup of cut raw onions in honey. Just chop or slice an onion and let it sit in honey for at least several hours or overnight. Then you will have a syrup as the honey draws out the onion juices. I always thought it helped, but it could just be the placebo effect. I still use it. Warmed rum with honey and lemon is also nice.