Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #84

[dixiegirl1035]

Definitely up for debate, isn't it? Why are they so different.

I do hope this does not have anything to do with the FDAs decision.

US Buys World Supply Of Remdesivir For Coronavirus- What Does That Mean For Public Health And Our Future?

This article was in July, for that brand in the US? So not associated with this past weeks decision?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This is great teaching information! I always think about the nose, and the mouth/throat. I get sanitizer right up to my nostrils ( i know this is questionable..but the nose is SO important to address)!!
And I gargle mouthwash all the time now....

I am so used to this, that it just seems totally normal.
Will definitely think about the baby shampoo

Please do not gargle or ??? with baby shampoo. We know that soaps do inactivate the virus... but be very careful with putting soaps in your nose and sinuses etc based on such MSM reports at this time please.

 

[I'm Just Here]

ha ha.. folks in DC

That is really sad. We in ND are suffering as well. Our local drugstore and eye clinic doesn't require masks not a ha ha for those struggling and trying to get through this wearing a mask. I was at the PO and a woman without a mask told me to stand further away from her, me masked at least 5 or so feet and lobby is small- door post reads masks required. Churches majority no masks here and my sister in laws, brother in law was a minister, 61 years old died.

 

[LaborDayRN]

That’s good to hear. I hope all hospitals follow that protocol. Not being snide, I’m truly curious—If someone for whatever reason died in the hospital before being tested, would you still test them?

That's a good question. The only way they would be out of the E.D. and into a hospital room is with a test. That way we know if they need to be placed in isolation or not.
In the E.D. they test pretty quickly. I'm not sure about postmortem. I don't work in the E.D. so I'll have to ask a friend to see if for instance someone arrived to the E.D. DOA, would they still test. As cautious as we're being, I'm going to guess yes.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Grandma knew best, just get a slab of Mentholatum and stick it up each nostril. Who knew?!

We used to put Vick’s under the nostrils then a mask when doing disaster recovery, seemed to help the smell! Lol

 

[LaborDayRN]

Topical camphor absorbed through mucous membranes or broken skin also can be toxic. That's why you should never put VapoRub in or around the nostrils — especially a small child's nostrils. And if VapoRub gets in your eye, it can injure your cornea.
Vicks VapoRub: An effective nasal decongestant?

 

[weepingangel]

Nashville-area hospitals report 40% increase in Covid-19 hospitalizations

ohmg I hated the Vick’s rub when I was a kid. And have broken it out on really stuffy coughy nights on my own kids. Sorry kids.

 

[Warwick1991]

Florida is opening up senior living centers to visitors. This one is a double edged sword.

Senior centers were ordered opened up by the Governor a few weeks ago; I’ll try and find the exact date. The reason I know this that an assisted living facility called my mother last month, and told her about the order. I guess they thought it was a positive thing, but it scared the daylights out of us... My mother had planned to enter an assisted living facility in February, but delayed her plans indefinitely due to the pandemic, and is now staying with me. She’s 91. I guess they thought it was positive because people could have visitors. From the infection rates, this decision will spread the virus even further among the vulnerable.

We wish we were back in New England, where we are originally from... Very difficult to relocate now...

Florida Governor DeSantis initially opened up assisted living facilities and nursing homes on September 1st: Florida announces it will lift ban on nursing home visits

Now he has eased almost all restrictions, including visits by children: Gov. DeSantis eases visiting restrictions for nursing homes, assisted living facilities. I think allowing children inside these facilities could result in a disastrous spread of the virus. While morale is a problem, the virus is often fatal in the long term care facility population.

 

[ilovewings]

Current COVID strategies could cause more than 500K deaths by Feb. 28

If our country continues on with the "strategies" we are now using, there will be half million deaths by February. However, if 85% of the population wears masks those deaths could be be much less.

 

[Sprockett7701]

I think the answer is pretty easy .... the leaders tell the people they are in danger.

But what if the leader is telling the country to open up, to open schools up...then what? It doesn’t seem too far off of becoming a genocide at this point...less people died in Sudan...

How do you define genocide?

 

[musicaljoke]

Senior centers were ordered opened up by the Governor a few weeks ago; I’ll try and find the exact date. The reason I know this that an assisted living facility called my mother last month, and told her about the order. I guess they thought it was a positive thing, but it scared the daylights out of us... My mother had planned to enter an assisted living facility in February, but delayed her plans indefinitely due to the pandemic, and is now staying with me. She’s 91. I guess they thought it was positive because people could have visitors. From the infection rates, this decision will spread the virus even further among the vulnerable.

We wish we were back in New England, where we are originally from... Very difficult to relocate now...

My mom is in an assisted living home in London, Ontario. Today I got a message saying that the city has community spread of covid, so outings and visits have been tightened. Each resident may have one designated carer who may visit. That person must have had a flu shot, must have taken PPE training which seems to be a video and quiz, and they have to follow the visitor's drill of masks, screening, etc.

Outings are for essential reasons only, and just there and back. If there are any breaches, then the resident must be quarantined for 2 weeks. Meals will be left outside their door.

There were 10 new cases in the county and there are currently 57 active cases.
Coronavirus: 1 death, 9 cases in London-Middlesex; health unit unveils new pandemic orders (update)

 

[mickey2942]

Topical camphor absorbed through mucous membranes or broken skin also can be toxic. That's why you should never put VapoRub in or around the nostrils — especially a small child's nostrils. And if VapoRub gets in your eye, it can injure your cornea.
Vicks VapoRub: An effective nasal decongestant?

How on earth did we ever live through "Grandma's cures"? I can't smell or drink ginger ale to this day or Vicks. Just, no.

 

[beatrixpotter]

To expand on how each of us have been coping. I've definitely turned into a lurker on this thread, so grateful for all the links to the articles. Often, I find myself going down the rabbit hole, one article leads to another and so on. By time I come back to the thread, I'm dozens of posts behind.

I'm soon to be mid 60's, still work full time, but thankfully from home (even before the pandemic). That being said, lots of things haven't changed for me. However, I take this virus very seriously, have great respect for its potential and choose to cocoon and avoid possible exposure. Being in healthcare gives me a different prospective I believe than the general public. What, to me - is just common sense, doesn't seem to resonate with the general public. I sincerely feel as if I'm living in an alternate reality. Living in NE TN, the population isn't especially large here, my county is about 160K. Our numbers keep going higher and higher and higher. We've had increases of around 50 - 129 new cases daily for past couple of weeks. We're now at almost 3400 cases for my county. The local healthcare system giving a weekly progress report, now 135 Covid patients within the system and they're starting again to divert elective procedures.

My social life has come to an absolute stand still during this pandemic. I can't say I'm happy with what is going on, but I have made the conscious choice to put all social activity on hold for now. I do think there will be an end to this surge, but I also think it will be longer than I had initially hoped. After a few months of cautiously venturing out to do shopping, fully masked and armed with my trusty hand sanitizers, I'm back to totally doing curbside pickup. To me, if it's not essential - I have no excuse to take risks. I have 5 beautiful grandchildren that I want to spend a couple more decades enjoying once this is over. I have not seen my 85-year-old mother or either of my sisters since last Christmas, with no plans to see them until spring probably. They are not taking this in stride and my Mom especially is convinced this is totally "political". As if the entire world has joined forces to conspire against the US.

I did break isolation during the summer and had my 2 youngest grandchildren for a week, after both I and their family quarantined for 2 weeks before they brought the children to me. My saving grace.

I have missed a family wedding and last week I missed my BIL's funeral (not Covid related)

I just have to keep my eye on the prize - time with my family eventually once it's safe that doesn't send me into a full-blown panic attack being around them.

I am so thankful for this forum - definitely somewhere I can come and not feel so out of the universe and alone.

Good job taking care of yourself! It's hard to look at how much we are missing now and just hope for progress in the future. But you are right, it will be better one day.

I have a lot of family in NE TN. We were talking about possibly working out something to see each other over Thanksgiving. But I've been watching those numbers creeping up for weeks now and then we found out we are expecting. So...nope. Not worth the risk. One day....

 

[ilovewings]

How on earth did we ever live through "Grandma's cures"? I can't smell or drink ginger ale to this day or Vicks. Just, no.

My mother suffered with migraine headaches all of her life and she took a cold rag and used a product called Musterole and slathered it on the rag--- to this day i can almost smell that stuff. It is like Vick's vapo rub-- it was horrible ugh

 

[10ofRods]

I wish that worked but it hasn't seemed to yet. People have to internalize the danger on an emotional level.

Some people aren't capable of that - that's what the research says. Right prefrontal cortex doesn't work the sam way in all people.

From a genetics/epigenetics point of view, CoVid responses reveal interesting new hypotheses about further research into that part of the brain. But it is the part of the brain that assesses risk as well as moral behavior.

The research already shows that, behaviorally, people who refuse to wear masks have certain shared traits, an people who get aggro over masks are in a subset of that group.

Woman threatened by man with gun for wearing mask

Starbucks barrista undergoes verbal assault for asking customer to obey mask mandate

Public health board ignores doctors' pleas to require masks in virus-embattled county

Arson at 3 Wal-Marts linked to an anti-masker's social media, under investigation

New Hampshire restaurant shuts its doors rather than require masks

Maskless woman deliberately spits on man with mask, on a bus (video)

Employee assaulted by non-masking wearing man over request to wear mask (Canada)

Man sentenced for assault on bus driver over masks (Seoul)

Man arrested for assaulting bank security over request to wear mask (Mumbai)

Alderman accused of assault and "hissy fit" over mask wearing in Missouri

I have many more. There's the bus driver in France - who died. I find it hard to believe the driver was anything but polite and objective about his request that the passenger wear a mask:

French bus driver beaten to death after requesting passenger wear mask

I think these crimes give WSers something to ponder, as we are all interested in solving (and preventing) crime. The ignorance of some (most?) of these perps may spin around lack of basic knowledge about how air works. FB and Q-Anon types have tried to convince people that a mask prevents oxygen from getting to your lungs (!), which is why those doctors and nurses video'ed themselves wearing masks for 12 hours at a stretch:

"I want to breathe oxygen," says mask opponent at school board meeting.

Yes, sir - we all do.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ol-board-meeting-says-i-want-breathe-n1244156

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

But what if the leader is telling the country to open up, to open schools up...then what? It doesn’t seem too far off of becoming a genocide at this point...less people died in Sudan...

How do you define genocide?

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This is hyperbole in my opinion. WHO doesn’t even support lockdowns as a first line of defense. It should be a last resort and only to regroup.

 

[Sprockett7701]

This is hyperbole in my opinion. WHO doesn’t even support lockdowns as a first line of defense. It should be a last resort and only to regroup.

There’s a difference between lockdowns and open slather though...

Also first line of defence is long gone...probably about a 100,000 people ago...if last resorts aren’t used then who knows what’s going to happen...all I know is, it’s not going to be good for the human race...

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

There’s a difference between lockdowns and open slather though...

Also first line of defence is long gone...probably about a 100,000 people ago...if last resorts aren’t used then who knows what’s going to happen...all I know is, it’s not going to be good for the human race...

I’m not sure where you are, but where I live it’s never been “open slather”. Nor has it been “open slather” in the states I’ve traveled to.

 

[10ofRods]

Florida is opening up senior living centers to visitors. This one is a double edged sword.

Sweden, in the midst of finally moving to have mandated mitigation measures, has asked seniors to quit staying at home and to come out and join everyone else in their high-CoVid milieu.

Meanwhile, hospitals and mortuaries are beginning to overflow. El Paso mortuaries have had to rent refrigerator trucks.

Northern Idaho is starting negotiations to send patients to Seattle and Portland.

If North Dakota were a nation, it would have one of the highest per capita CoVid rates in the world. The article is using the current 7 day rolling averages, not all time weekly rolling averages. So it should say "currently highest," I guess. The Czech Republic is red hot with new CoVid cases.

When an area hasn't had much or any CoVid, and CoVid is seeded by travelers/mobile residents all over the area, when it pops into view a week or two later, it usually leads to exponential cases at first. ND did know it had CoVid, however, since April.

There is a bit of good news for ND, though. It had fewer deaths yesterday than predicted by IMHE, so the runaway CoVid growth from mid-Sept to mid-Oct may be slowing down. It's really hard to tell at this point.

North Dakota Coronavirus: 35,939 Cases and 440 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer

Wales has had a similar situation (CoVid didn't slam Wales early on - but it has arrived now). Wales is on lockdown, and grocery stores have been advised to limit sales to "essentials" (but the Guardian says stores don't know exactly what's meant by that):

Is a pumpkin an essential item in the Welsh Covid firebreak?

They're calling the Welsh measures a "firebreak," while England is calling theirs a '"circuit breaker." To me, this implies that the Welsh measures are designed to create a larger margin between themselves and England (where rates are of course soaring).

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers and news for Thursday, Oct. 22 and Friday, Oct. 23:
On Thurs. Oct. 22, we had 1,401 new confirmed cases for a total of 110,974 total confirmed cases of which 85,599 had recovered (+976). 15 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,594. 85 were hospitalized in 24 hrs. for a total of 530.
There were 25,375 active positive cases. Oct. 22: Iowa reports 1,401 new COVID-19 cases and 15 more deaths
As of Fri. Oct. 23, between 10:00-11:00 a.m., we had 1,581 new confirmed cases for a total of 112,555 total confirmed cases of which 86,527 had recoverd (+928). 23 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,617. 78 were hospitalized in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 536 (new daily record). There were 26,028 active positive cases. Oct. 23: 1,581 new cases as hospitalizations hit new record
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