Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #86

[GRT]

Went to a deli today for carry out and asked to filled out contract tracing info-
here in Southeast Michigan there is a new mandate if you are dining
in you have to fill out info for contact tracing-- since it was a carry
out i was surprised I was asked to fill it out, but of course i did

It's not a bad idea. I rarely buy take-out but I know a lot of people do and it would help a lot with contact tracing.

 

[GRT]

BBM ... Are you able to point me to an article (link) that states that the market was scrubbed prior to testing any of the wildlife? That wildlife was perhaps not removed and/or sought and taken to labs for testing?

It seems obvious to me that the same wildlife may not have been at the market when it was closed, because the market was not shut down until the virus had already spread and become "an unknown type of pneumonia".

I have been googling for that info for a while, and I can't seem to find any information that says that market wildlife was not tested. (Even if it couldn't possibly have been the same wildlife that started the initial outbreak.)

I am finding lots of other interesting tidbits, but not that particular information.


The strongest evidence of the virus’s origin points to a section of the Huanan open-air market where more than 75 species of stressed wildlife were stacked in wire cages and slaughtered on-site for buyers. “You almost couldn’t design a more perfect setting for the transmission of disease,” says Teresa Telecky, HSI vice president for wildlife. “Animals are crowded together and you have all these fluids—blood, saliva, feces.” After the government closed the market, tests revealed the virus in the wildlife section.
Scientists are searching for the “intermediate host” mammal that carried the virus from bats to Wuhan.

What you need to know about wildlife markets and COVID-19

Yes, thank you for asking! It's discussed in the NYTimes article that just ran.

In Hunt for Virus Source, W.H.O. Let China Take Charge

They found 15 samples of the virus in the market but could not ascertain whether they were shed by animals or humans.

 

[GRT]

I'm sure it's been discussed already,
I just have to express how angry (using a nice word here) I am right now after seeing this!
½ of the people in my county must have attended.
My daughter JUST found out that she is carrying TWINS-
There is a little issue with one regarding it having no heartbeat, but she was right at 6 wks when the scan done, so we are praying that she will hear it on November 12th!
They are identical if she doesn't end up with a vanishing twin situation.
Maybe there won't be a massive breakout in 2 weeks.
I'm praying for that too!
No one learned ANYTHING from the super spreader Church event that started in Cartersville in Bartow county obviously!
Rome Ga, Floyd county is only
26 miles away.
MOO
Georgia Trump rally attendees stranded waiting for buses in campaign chaos

(° _°)...

I hope your daughter hears the second heartbeat, but she, herself, needs to be very careful now because pregnant women are at an increased risk with this virus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/02/covid-pregnant-women-death/

Thoughts and prayers for all.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, thank you for asking! It's discussed in the NYTimes article that just ran.

In Hunt for Virus Source, W.H.O. Let China Take Charge

They found 15 samples of the virus in the market but could not ascertain whether they were shed by animals or humans.

Thanks. Interesting article. Yes, I think it would be pretty impossible to tell after the fact, exactly what/who shed the virus. The market wasn't closed until the virus was well on its way through Wuhan.

Sounds like they did test some animals, but obviously not specifically animals from the day that the virus made its leap to a human. They likely wouldn't even know exactly which day the virus entered a human.

"Then Dr. Gao told a local TV station that animal samples from the market did not contain the virus. That indicated at least that samples had been taken from animals. "

 

[SouthAussie]

NY Times is reporting another 93,000 cases yesterday in the US.
It could be a tough day today. Stay well, and stay safe everyone.



Covid in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count

 

[drama_farmer]

Well, it turns out that an alien invasion that puts the world's population at risk of severe injury or death was NOT met with a global coming-together to defeat the enemy.

Heck, not even the US Military can save us from this.

Little green men with advanced technologies need not try so hard, lol!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...ting-sick-above-all-else-20201103-p56b1i.html

Surprise! Most people value not dying or getting sick above all else

Annastacia Palaszczuk secured a third term for her Labor government thanks to an unabashedly populist campaign based on keeping her state pretty much free of COVID-19 by maintaining hard borders. Her stance has come at a cost. Queensland has the highest unemployment of all the states – unsurprising as it’s based so much of its economy on tourism and the free flow of visitors.

That’s a cost that most Queenslanders are willing to wear, judging by the swing to the ALP. Palaszczuk picked up at least three extra seats by winning over older voters and One Nation supporters, groups that by their nature like it when governments offer protection and keep borders closed.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

In the US, increase of 18% in last week, yet testing rate is only 4% increased.

South Dakota has a 49.5% positivity rate, when the goal is under 5% for 14 days.

WTF??? Can someone fact check this? That is too shocking???? Yet Dr. Hansen is valid to this date.

ETA: Dr. Campbell, Dr. Sehult and Dr. Hansen are approved from way way back..

"7 COVID-19 Updates You Should Know"



ETA: Written summary is under the video if you don't have time to read the entire thing, and he explains how he contributes to death certificates and how COVID ends up on such to dispute some stating inflated.

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[anneg]

If you are voting in the U.S. today, at least the weather is cooperating, per this Weather Channel map. And all the early voting should help keep the crowds down in many places (including NC, where DH & I were among the early voters).

In any case, wear your mask, watch your distance, and wash your hands and be safe out there!

 

[GRT]

If you are voting in the U.S. today, at least the weather is cooperating, per this Weather Channel map. And all the early voting should help keep the crowds down in many places (including NC, where DH & I were among the early voters).

In any case, wear your mask, watch your distance, and wash your hands and be safe out there!

Thanks! I just got back from voting, and I was surprised because this is the first time in all my years of voting that I had to stand in line. Everybody had a mask on and everyone social distanced. The workers did pretty well, I think. They inspected my ID through the plexiglass shield, and when I signed, they handed me a new pen (they held it by its wrapper and I just pulled it out), and then I kept the pen. They had volunteers who sterilized each booth after a person voted, so truly a no-contact experience.

 

[Tillicum]

If you are voting in the U.S. today, at least the weather is cooperating, per this Weather Channel map. And all the early voting should help keep the crowds down in many places (including NC, where DH & I were among the early voters).

In any case, wear your mask, watch your distance, and wash your hands and be safe out there!

I felt very safe this morning. Everyone followed the Covid guidelines and there was a designated area outdoors for those with Covid or exposed to Covid.

 

[weepingangel]

Stay-at-home advisory: New curfew requires Mass. businesses close by 9:30 p.m. nightly
Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker issued a new stay-at-home advisory Monday asking all residents to be in their homes from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily and ordered restaurants to stop table service at 9:30 p.m. to ensure customers can get home in time.

The stay-at-home advisory takes effect at 12:01 a.m. Friday. The state allows exceptions for going to work, seeking medical care, going to the grocery store and picking up take-out food.

“We’re doing much better than many other states and many other countries, but hereto we’ve let down our guard,” he said.

The curfew also applies to all gatherings under an order that accompanies the stay-at-home advisory. The state is limiting private get-togethers to 10 people indoors and 25 people outdoors. The limit on gatherings held in public spaces, such as weddings, remains the same.

Those who violate the gatherings order face a fine of $500 per infraction.

Businesses that sell alcohol that violate the gatherings order, including hosting large gatherings after hours, could face a fine and could get their license suspended, revoked or canceled.

The state also issued an expanded mask mandate, which requires people to wear masks even if they are 6 feet away from others. Like the other restrictions, the mandate takes effect Friday.

MassLive first reported Monday that the Baker administration planned to make businesses close early to help reduce the spread of COVID-19. Under the new requirements, restaurants must close by 9:30 p.m. The state also plans to crack down on house parties in hopes of reducing the spread of COVID-19 among young people.

Baker said the curfew suggested in the advisory also applies to liquor stores, recreational marijuana sales, theaters, youth and adult recreational sports, gyms, pools, museums, driving ranges, casinos, driving and flight schools, zoos, botanical gardens, nature centers and other businesses.

The governor’s announcement comes after more than a week of new COVID-19 cases topping 1,000 daily. State health officials reported on Sunday 1,139 new cases and 613 hospitalizations involving both confirmed and suspected COVID-19 cases.

Baker said again on Monday that the largest source of spread appears to be household transmissions and particularly private gatherings such as parties.

“Folks need to postpone or rethink big get togethers,” Baker said. “These are places where COVID spreads.”

The Community Tracing Collaborative has hired 305 more people who speak languages other than English, said Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders. The new hires join the 661 employees at the collaborative helping to determine how COVID-19 is spreading in Massachusetts.

Steve Walsh, president and CEO of the Massachusetts Health & Hospital Association, said the organization fully supports the measures.

“The commonwealth has reached yet another critical point with this virus. Now is the time to reinvigorate our focus on stopping the spread," he said. “Our healthcare organizations and caregivers are counting on those in their communities to do their part and follow the life-saving guidance put forth by state and public health leaders.”

Carlene Pavlos, executive director of the Massachusetts Public Health Association, said the changes were too little too late.

“We appreciate that Governor Baker recognizes that new actions must be taken to contain the surge in COVID cases, but he missed the opportunity to take the kinds of bold actions needed to protect all residents of Massachusetts,” Pavlos said.

The MPHA recommends the state release data showing social gatherings are the main source of the spread, bolster safety inspections at workplaces to ensure businesses are following the safety precautions with their employees and customers, create a plan to prevent evictions and homelessness and implement a plan to prevent infections in jails and prisons.

Gov. Baker to announce new COVID reopening orders as Massachusetts sees rise in cases
More at link
(I’m not expecting anything drastic to be announced. We’ll see...)

After a weekend that saw the number of COVID-19 deaths surpass 10,000 and as the number of people who need hospital care for a coronavirus infection rises, Gov. Charlie Baker will announce new orders related to the state’s economic reopening on Monday afternoon.

The governor’s office said he, Lt. Gov. Karyn Polito and Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders will detail “new executive orders affecting the reopening process due to recent increases in new cases and hospitalizations of COVID-19 across the state” at a 1:30 p.m. press conference Monday.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If you are voting in the U.S. today, at least the weather is cooperating, per this Weather Channel map. And all the early voting should help keep the crowds down in many places (including NC, where DH & I were among the early voters).

In any case, wear your mask, watch your distance, and wash your hands and be safe out there!

Or “hands, face, space” as is the advertising mantra over here

 

[LadyL]

Coronavirus updates: More than 61K kids got COVID-19 last week, another US record; CDC says Americans sick with virus can vote in person

 

[anneg]

I felt very safe this morning. Everyone followed the Covid guidelines and there was a designated area outdoors for those with Covid or exposed to Covid.

Coronavirus updates: More than 61K kids got COVID-19 last week, another US record; CDC says Americans sick with virus can vote in person

This is interesting. I hadn't thought about people with covid or in quarantine being able to vote and hadn't previously read the CDC guidelines about this. Personally, I'd hope for more than 6 feet of distancing for this group of people!

 

[musicaljoke]

It probably is "beyond the realm of possibility," at least when it comes to China and the US, because neither are signatories to the Rome Statute. Even if all nations were signatories, the ICC exists to punish nationals who commit war crimes against other nations. By a long stretch of the intent, they might be able to bring China up on charges, since the virus originated there and they covered it up, but still, probably not.

Yeah, I'm not sure that it can ever be shown that the government of China covered it up, and if they did, it wasn't for long and wasn't successful. The virus was first reported to the China Nat'n Commission on Dec 30th. The virus was isolate on Jan 7th, and two weeks later was already published in the journal The Lancet. I'm not convinced that any country in the world would be able to process this any faster.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30185-9/fulltext

 

[MimosaMornings]

Tiger at Zoo in Knoxville tests positive for coronavirus | FOX 4 Kansas City WDAF-TV | News, Weather, Sports

“Zoo Knoxville said it will work with state and local animal and human health agencies to determine the source of the infection, which at this time is suspected to be an asymptomatically infected staff member working in close proximity to the tigers when caring for them.”

 

[Tillicum]

This is interesting. I hadn't thought about people with covid or in quarantine being able to vote and hadn't previously read the CDC guidelines about this. Personally, I'd hope for more than 6 feet of distancing for this group of people!

They vote from their car and the distancing is over 6 feet between vehicles.

 

[Sprockett7701]

Us, too. Our state leaders meet in National Cabinet to discuss common issues. And then every state goes away and does what it deems best. Fortunately, they decided to listen to the health experts who all agreed what we should do.

One of our states (Western Australia) still won't open its border to other states. Even while the rest of us mostly have, and are in good shape.
Our Prime Minister would love for them to open their border ... their Premier just says "nope".

YAY for WA...though we are opening to other states in 2 weeks...just not nsw and vic...but I imagine a NZ situation will arise...but I have no fear, any sniff of community transmission and Mark McGowan will have our borders closed tighter than a nuns you know what!! Just nope!

I am fearful of what’s going to happen to our little bubble, and we don’t really need to open (only state with a budget surplus this year...) but it’s not realistic...I’m just a happy little hermit ha ha

 

[Sprockett7701]

Coronavirus updates: More than 61K kids got COVID-19 last week, another US record; CDC says Americans sick with virus can vote in person

At what point is this seriously declared a genocide? <modsnip>Where are UNICEF when you need them? Don’t children have rights for gods sake...