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  • #661

He is very concerned. 'The challenge ahead is truly extraordinary'.

But they are trying their best to develop and trial therapautics which could inhibit the virus at each stage of its reproduction cycle.
 
  • #662
This is interesting and it goes to show we're still learning about this virus. For months, I heard that it wasn't the virus so much as the body's attempt to fight it off--causing a cytokine storm--that was killing folks.

That might not be the case, but not all experts are in agreement.


An Explanation for Some Covid-19 Deaths May Not Be Holding Up
Recent studies have created doubts about an agent in cytokine storms, and suggest that treatments for it may not help.
 
  • #663
I am just going to post a little rant here. I am sorry and if you are not up to a rant, scroll on.


I have been following this virus since January. Lurking on this site long before I commented.

I ‘stocked up’ before it was a thing. I warned my friends and family. I was terrified when my boys NY and CA got sick. ( all better now) I was saddened when my sons graduation was via zoom and my daughters wedding was cancelled. I had a sweet grand baby born on March 28th. I have held her once and she only lives 3 miles from me.

Not to mention the heartbreak of seeing my parents who are in their 80’s missing out on the handful of years they have left. Safe at home, of course. I am sad, mad and scared all at once. Mostly I am angry. Not at any one person or country but angry at this virus. I hate it. And I say this knowing that I have lost far less than some, due to this virus.

OK. rant over …now on to masks. And some mental/psychological sleuthing. After all this is WEBSLEUTHS!



Masks……I hate them. They are living, walking reminder of this deadly virus.



A banner across everyone smile. They mute personalty and emotion. Smiles, frowns….all covered up.



I wear them because I respect the science and my fellow human. But I am totally convinced that the biggest reason some will not wear a mask is because they so hate this virus. Kind of the opposite logic of, if you hate this virus, wear a mask. Wearing a mask to some perhaps is an acknowledgement that is exists and denial is a strong thing. My moral compass is a motivating factor to me, but perhaps not to some. I get people that won’t wear a mask. it pains me to say this. What I don’t get is not overcoming that illogic and either wearing one or staying out of situations that you might have to wear one.



I hate seeing people in masks. The only place I go that requires a mask is in the store. I have to eat and grocery delivery has its own challenges. I would rather sit home than wear a mask, even if it is to do something fun.





My point is….maybe it is anger at the virus that keeps people from wearing masks, despite the science? We often discuss WHY ..why won’t people just wear a mask? A simple way to prevent spread. Maybe I am not expressing my thoughts well here. But does it even make sense? I am interested in hearing your thoughts as to the psychology of masks and that being the reason people won’t wear them.



And to anyone here that got through this rant and mental assesment ….I thank you! Carry on!!
 
  • #664
As long as they're outdoors and wearing masks, they are way less likely to get CoVid. The risk of being a masked grocery worker (especially in the cold section) or a nurse in a CoVId ward is much higher.

Why especially in the cold section?
 
  • #665
what the !@#$%^&*

I just want to let you know that I live in St Charles County, MO. People are so careless here about wearing masks it's disgusting! I will only homeschool my son because of this. We both have immune disorders and my spouse works at Amazon, where people are constantly being diagnosed with COVID19. I don't know what it will take for anyone to take this serious?! Almost 250,000 people in our country die in 8-9 months and people still think it's no big deal?!!!
 
  • #666
Yesiamapirate - I appreciate your "rant" and I get where you're coming from, I really do, especially as the grandmother of a baby boy who lives 2 hours away.

I'm usually the voice of doom and gloom in my family (so I'm told), however, I see the mask not as a reminder of death and despair, but as a banner of HOPE. Hope that, together, we CAN make it through. I love seeing people in masks because it makes me believe (right or wrong) that they too have hope for our situation and respect for one another.

In fact, I love wearing a mask and will continue to do so through the flu season and maybe every fall and winter from here on out. The lowly mask has been proven to be such a powerful tool (plus it hides my scary face, lol).

I wish those who are truly angry would realize that by not wearing a mask, they are just letting the virus win. Like you said, it's not logical, but, sadly, I cannot see an uptick in logic happening any time soon.

And BTW I'm sure this has been posted upthread somewhere, but DH and I get a kick out this parody:
 
  • #667
I just want to let you know that I live in St Charles County, MO. People are so careless here about wearing masks it's disgusting! I will only homeschool my son because of this. We both have immune disorders and my spouse works at Amazon, where people are constantly being diagnosed with COVID19. I don't know what it will take for anyone to take this serious?! Almost 250,000 people in our country die in 8-9 months and people still think it's no big deal?!!!

Sadly, if they haven't taken it seriously by now, they never will. There are lots of people out there who believe (wrongly),that since this is a virus, it cannot be contained or controlled: Hopefully with this new administration, there will be a different message. We shall see. I am sorry the people in your area don't wear masks---unfortunately the pandemic has revealed very selfish people. Do people follow certain protocols at Amazon like masking, social distancing and testing?
 
  • #668
The problem here is that people are getting "Covid Fatigue". Cleaning, mask wearing, washing, on and on...and the ongoing "Social Distancing". It just wears on every one.

Which is why we got over 500 cases today. And the people at a county health department quit en masse last week.

Four-Member Staff of Montana County Health Agency Resigns
 
  • #669
I am just going to post a little rant here. I am sorry and if you are not up to a rant, scroll on.

I wear them because I respect the science and my fellow human. But I am totally convinced that the biggest reason some will not wear a mask is because they so hate this virus. Kind of the opposite logic of, if you hate this virus, wear a mask. Wearing a mask to some perhaps is an acknowledgement that is exists and denial is a strong thing. My moral compass is a motivating factor to me, but perhaps not to some. I get people that won’t wear a mask. it pains me to say this. What I don’t get is not overcoming that illogic and either wearing one or staying out of situations that you might have to wear one.

Respectfully snipped for focus and BBM, with color added.

MOO: I feel that hating the virus itself probably isn't a major reason why many people don't wear masks. Maybe they dislike wearing masks due to discomfort, or they hate that masks make it harder to communicate clearly with others. Some don't believe (or don't want to believe) that the virus is real and dangerous. As you say, "wearing a mask to some perhaps is an acknowledgement that [it] exists and denial is a strong thing."

Here is a great article, IMO:

What Can I Say to Someone Who Isn't Wearing a Mask? (for Parents) - Nemours KidsHealth

From the article:
Why won't some people mask up? Experts think it could be due to things like:
  • not believing that COVID-19 is a serious illness
  • feeling like their area is safe or has only a few infections
  • disliking some of the effects of face covering (like making it feel harder to breathe, or thinking they aren't heard or understood)
  • a reaction to what they feel is too much government control
  • not agreeing that masks help prevent the spread of coronavirus
  • not wanting to show fear or vulnerability
  • confusion because early public health recommendations didn't include masking
The article includes suggestions for how to communicate with non-mask wearers in two categories: If it's someone you know or feel comfortable with and If it's someone you don't know.

A couple more links about mask wearing:
Both Republicans and Democrats cite masks as a negative effect of COVID-19, but for very different reasons

Milwaukee-area psychotherapists explain why some people refuse masks
 
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Yesiamapirate - I appreciate your "rant" and I get where you're coming from, I really do, especially as the grandmother of a baby boy who lives 2 hours away.

I'm usually the voice of doom and gloom in my family (so I'm told), however, I see the mask not as a reminder of death and despair, but as a banner of HOPE. Hope that, together, we CAN make it through. I love seeing people in masks because it makes me believe (right or wrong) that they too have hope for our situation and respect for one another.

In fact, I love wearing a mask and will continue to do so through the flu season and maybe every fall and winter from here on out. The lowly mask has been proven to be such a powerful tool (plus it hides my scary face, lol).

I wish those who are truly angry would realize that by not wearing a mask, they are just letting the virus win. Like you said, it's not logical, but, sadly, I cannot see an uptick in logic happening any time soon.

And BTW I'm sure this has been posted upthread somewhere, but DH and I get a kick out this parody:
Rose, thank you for these positive and uplifting thoughts. The parody was awesome, too!! I love hearing different perspectives.
 
  • #672
Respectfully snipped for focus and BBM, with color added.

MOO: I feel that hating the virus itself probably isn't a major reason why many people don't wear masks. Maybe they dislike wearing masks due to discomfort, or they hate that masks make it harder to communicate clearly with others. Some don't believe (or don't want to believe) that the virus is real and dangerous. As you say, "wearing a mask to some perhaps is an acknowledgement that [it] exists and denial is a strong thing."

Here is a great article, IMO:

What Can I Say to Someone Who Isn't Wearing a Mask? (for Parents) - Nemours KidsHealth

From the article:
Why won't some people mask up? Experts think it could be due to things like:
  • not believing that COVID-19 is a serious illness
  • feeling like their area is safe or has only a few infections
  • disliking some of the effects of face covering (like making it feel harder to breathe, or thinking they aren't heard or understood)
  • a reaction to what they feel is too much government control
  • not agreeing that masks help prevent the spread of coronavirus
  • not wanting to show fear or vulnerability
  • confusion because early public health recommendations didn't include masking
The article includes suggestions for how to communicate with non-mask wearers in two categories: If it's someone you know or feel comfortable with and If it's someone you don't know.

A couple more links about mask wearing:
Both Republicans and Democrats cite masks as a negative effect of COVID-19, but for very different reasons

Milwaukee-area psychotherapists explain why some people refuse masks

Great Post. I am going to take my time and check out the links. I always wear my mask. I just need to feel a little better about it. This helps!
 
  • #673
Sheesh. The feedback I got from a poll of 10 surrounding neighborhoods on NextDoor regarding reasons for not wearing a mask?

Number one reason? It’s a hoax.
It’s not real. I’m not tripping over dead bodies in the street. No one I know has had it or died.

Runner up reason? No one can tell me what to do and take away my freedom.

I gave up posting after a verbal online onslaught from my neighborhood about how I was stupid to wear a mask, you’re old, stay home since you’re afraid, and the local mask b*~ch.

Fun times in the neighborhood.
 
  • #674
Sheesh. The feedback I got from a poll of 10 surrounding neighborhoods on NextDoor regarding reasons for not wearing a mask?

Number one reason? It’s a hoax.
It’s not real. I’m not tripping over dead bodies in the street. No one I know has had it or died.

Runner up reason? No one can tell me what to do and take away my freedom.

I gave up posting after a verbal online onslaught from my neighborhood about how I was stupid to wear a mask, you’re old, stay home since you’re afraid, and the local mask b*~ch.

Fun times in the neighborhood.

Ugh! Sorry about that.
 
  • #675
Yesiamapirate - I appreciate your "rant" and I get where you're coming from, I really do, especially as the grandmother of a baby boy who lives 2 hours away.

I'm usually the voice of doom and gloom in my family (so I'm told), however, I see the mask not as a reminder of death and despair, but as a banner of HOPE. Hope that, together, we CAN make it through. I love seeing people in masks because it makes me believe (right or wrong) that they too have hope for our situation and respect for one another.

In fact, I love wearing a mask and will continue to do so through the flu season and maybe every fall and winter from here on out. The lowly mask has been proven to be such a powerful tool (plus it hides my scary face, lol).

I wish those who are truly angry would realize that by not wearing a mask, they are just letting the virus win. Like you said, it's not logical, but, sadly, I cannot see an uptick in logic happening any time soon.

And BTW I'm sure this has been posted upthread somewhere, but DH and I get a kick out this parody:
I, too, mostly love my masks now. And I've worked hard to provide others with masks they truly love. I've had people tell me that they never expected to love their masks but they do. I've tried to match the right fabric styles and construction for those I love and it has mostly worked. Of course, I have them in mind as I sew them, and sew a little bit of love into each one as well.
 
  • #676
FYI, From a medical standpoint, IMO, the last thing you want to do in this situation is suppress a cough with cough syrup. It is also in general a terrible idea to suppress a fever unless it is dangerously high (105+). Both cough and fever are ways our body naturally reacts to help protect us.

Are you sure about this, with Covid?

Repurposing the mucolytic cough suppressant and TMPRSS2 protease inhibitor bromhexine for the prevention and management of SARS-CoV-2 infection

The decision to put a person on a cough suppressant is a doctor's decision, IMO. There is no blanket advice. There is no way to cough coronavirus out of your lungs once it's there, and there are doctors who believe the irritation to the lungs from coughing is beneficial to the spread of the virus within the body - and so they order cough suppressants. This is especially true early on in the illness. University of Maryland Medical has a recommendation to use cough suppressant for Covid up on its website. Personally, I would use it and while I have heard this advice about coughs being good for the process of disease, I am a strong doubter.

Medicines that fight COVID-19: What to know

Same thing with the fever (which can use up precious somatic energy, especially if the person is experiencing chills, which can happen with fever as it approaches 100°. Again, my doctor has said for us (DH and I) to use tylenol if we have even a mild fever. She's UCLA-based. She's not alone in this advice. (See the link just above - where the medical news aggregator reviewed the literature and says Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is a front line medication for Covid-19, especially when there are chills and fever.

The idea that we are supposed to let fever rage out of control as it "helps kill" viruses is not true in Covid-19 and it may be the opposite. At any rate, no one should trust internet strangers on this - that's why choosing and consulting with a concerned and educated primary care physician is so important. My colleagues and I all have different doctors, and we compare notes on what they've been telling us daily.

But tylenol and cough suppressant are in my coronavirus toolkit, hopefully won't have to use either. I too used to believe in this "no suppressant for coughs" business and when I told my doctor that on my first visit, she just stared at me. She said it wasn't the front line thing to do for my cough (allergies) and prescribed a new allergy med for my nose (worked, no more cough) but she was very concerned that my respiratory tract was constantly irritated and I think I can see why.

Here's a website that offers methods for cough treatment aside from suppressants:

How to Treat a Cough from Coronavirus at Home

(Humidity not only treats the cough but also helps bring virions to the ground, thereby reducing viral load in the area; zinc lozenges at the first hint of a sore throat/cough are also beneficial). My colleague's physician said humidifier would be a reasonable first line of defense in their household (with an immune-compromised person and 2 kids).

And here's a good, balanced summary regarding the "suppress" vs "let it ride" fever debate:

Fever: suppress or let it ride?

The article cites a study in which tylenol had no effect on eventual mortality in hospital-based virus treatment (2015, so not the current coronavirus) but did keep people out of the ICU for a longer period of time. The jury is still out on whether fever is adaptive or maladaptive and probably depends on the specific pathogen to some degree.

At my age, with pre-existing inflammatory conditions, my doctor says to go ahead and take it if fever is approaching 100°. Your doctor may say differently, depending on age and other variables.
 
  • #677
I, too, mostly love my masks now. And I've worked hard to provide others with masks they truly love. I've had people tell me that they never expected to love their masks but they do. I've tried to match the right fabric styles and construction for those I love and it has mostly worked. Of course, I have them in mind as I sew them, and sew a little bit of love into each one as well.

I love *your* masks for sure. The silk layer has made all the difference to me in comfort and wearability. I also know, due to your helpful research and assistance, that silk is a great virion-stopper. I feel safe, fashionable and happy wearing a JaneEyre mask!
 
  • #678
I love *your* masks for sure. The silk layer has made all the difference to me in comfort and wearability. I also know, due to your helpful research and assistance, that silk is a great virion-stopper. I feel safe, fashionable and happy wearing a JaneEyre mask!
I have now made myself nearly two dozen silk lined masks because it made such a huge difference with my asthma, mask acne, and my hot flashes! And I learned about silk from someone else in here. I'm grateful.
 
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Iowa numbers today: As of 10:00 a.m., we had 4,213 new confirmed cases for a total of 152,604 confirmed cases of which 100,712 had recovered (+366). 13 more were reported to have passed for a total of 1,842. There are 51,892 active positive cases. Hospital data in the last 24 hrs. varies between the news stations and IDPH. In the last 24 hrs. KCCI and IDPH both say 181 were hospitalized in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 992. This is a new daily record and could be either +91 or +43. News stations were reporting 901 hospitalized on Sat. and IDPH reported 901 and then also 946 on different locations of their Covid site. I'm not including the IDPH covid status page again today as it was updated with Saturday numbers today not the current ones.
Nov. 8: Iowa reports nearly 1,000 hospitalizations due to COVID-19
Iowa coronavirus numbers for November 8
Iowa COVID-19 Information hospital data from today and yesterday
ETA-IMO 174 were hospitalized on Saturday and not 165 as in my report yesterday.
 
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