Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #87

[dixiegirl1035]

COVID-19: Supermarkets most common exposure setting for catching coronavirus in England, latest data suggests

Supermarkets are the most frequent common exposure setting for those catching COVID-19 in England, new data suggests.

Public Health England (PHE) collated the data using the NHS Test and Trace app.

By analysing the contacts and retracing the steps of the 128,808 people who'd reported they had tested positive between 9 November and 15 November, PHE has uncovered where transmission is likely to be happening.

During the increased national restrictions in England, supermarkets have remained open for shoppers. The new data set suggests they are now the primary setting where the disease is being transmitted.

There were google phone studies in US.. I can't recall the latest one here on thread. IIRC, it was places of worship, indoor dining. Was supermarkets on that list.

Also.. differentiation to be noted as to superspreader vs. numbers just from folks now at home?

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

There were google phone studies in US.. I can't recall the latest one here on thread. IIRC, it was places of worship, indoor dining. Was supermarkets on that list.

Also.. differentiation to be noted as to superspreader vs. numbers just from folks now at home?

I'm not that up to date on US numbers and news tbh. I've been mostly following Ireland (where I'm from) and UK (where I live) news.

I am a bit surprised as most people are wearing masks at the supermarket and it's not somewhere you're in close contact with people for any amount of time. Things change day by day it appears. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

The Coronavirus Is Airborne Indoors. Why Are We Still Scrubbing Surfaces?

This article questions why are we worried about surfaces when the virus is spread through aerosol

 

[ilovewings]

The Coronavirus Is Airborne Indoors. Why Are We Still Scrubbing Surfaces?

This article questions why are we worried about surfaces when the virus is spread airborne indoors? It is articles like this that make me question the case where a pizza box is alleged to have caused an outbreak

 

[ilovewings]

There were google phone studies in US.. I can't recall the latest one here on thread. IIRC, it was places of worship, indoor dining. Was supermarkets on that list.

Also.. differentiation to be noted as to superspreader vs. numbers just from folks now at home?

The list they provided does not make sense: supermarkets 18 percent, pubs: 1.6 and restaurants 1.0 percent: really??? does that make sense to you?

 

[I'm Just Here]

The list they provided does not make sense: supermarkets 18 percent, pubs: 1.6 and restaurants 1.0 percent: really??? does that make sense to you?

I remember that awhile back. No the list does not sound accurate.

 

[anneg]

The list they provided does not make sense: supermarkets 18 percent, pubs: 1.6 and restaurants 1.0 percent: really??? does that make sense to you?

Nope.

 

[10ofRods]

I'm not that up to date on US numbers and news tbh. I've been mostly following Ireland (where I'm from) and UK (where I live) news.

I am a bit surprised as most people are wearing masks at the supermarket and it's not somewhere you're in close contact with people for any amount of time. Things change day by day it appears. JMO

Virions exuded by multiple people linger in grocery stores, particularly in the refrigerated sections. The loading dock areas of grocery stores are often hosting the virions of several different people - and the workers get infected. Many are young and asymptomatic, and work in various parts of the store.

Virions exit the human's body at 100,000 per breath, approximately. If a person is in an aisle for 10 minutes and in the next aisle for 5 minutes, they've left quite a few virions - and they definitely can linger at about face level for several hours.

Think what it's like when positivity rates go up (as in North Dakota and South Dakota) and 1 out of 3 people shopping are all positive for COVID, but either asymptomatic or with mild cold symptoms...

Anyway, grocery stores tend to be kept cooler (and therefore less moist) which means that the molecules of water that coronavirus uses to move around are smaller and lighter - they stay aloft far longer.

Whereas, an outdoor market would have more humidity (usually) and also a breeze.

 

[ilovewings]

Virions exuded by multiple people linger in grocery stores, particularly in the refrigerated sections. The loading dock areas of grocery stores are often hosting the virions of several different people - and the workers get infected. Many are young and asymptomatic, and work in various parts of the store.

Virions exit the human's body at 100,000 per breath, approximately. If a person is in an aisle for 10 minutes and in the next aisle for 5 minutes, they've left quite a few virions - and they definitely can linger at about face level for several hours.

Think what it's like when positivity rates go up (as in North Dakota and South Dakota) and 1 out of 3 people shopping are all positive for COVID, but either asymptomatic or with mild cold symptoms...

Anyway, grocery stores tend to be kept cooler (and therefore less moist) which means that the molecules of water that coronavirus uses to move around are smaller and lighter - they stay aloft far longer.

Whereas, an outdoor market would have more humidity (usually) and also a breeze.

If everybody in the supermarket is masked, doesn't that pretty much protect people in the supermarket-- maybe not 100%, but I would imagine the viral load would be much less-- I will have to assume that most of those people who may have contracted the virus at the supermarket were not wearing masks. To the best of my recall this study was in the U.K. do they not wear masks when they go to the supermarket in the UK?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

How Many Snowbirds Will Be Flying South for the Winter?

Interesting article on people traveling to Florida during this pandemic

The article states more young people are renting property in Florida- Seems like maybe some retirees may be staying home, and Canadians have problems due to the UnitedStates-Canadian border being closed.

Here is the the sentence that caught my attention because it is so reckless- so outrageous that these people act like there is no pandemic:

"Typically we would avoid traveling through the holidays, but this year is different-
said Ms. Granuzzo 30, director of social media and editorial at a digital agency.
"Covid has basically changed the entire landscape--even client meetings are
remote- So why not skip the winter here"

so far so good but get the next sentence

The first destination was to Naples Florida to see Mr. Fried's parents. Around Thanksgiving they will head to the Atlanta area to visit Ms. Granuzzo's family.
Then they will boomerang back to Naples for the month of January before
eventually making their way to Montage Palmetto bluff, The South Carolina
Luxury Resort where they got married four years ago- they will forge the rest of the plan from there.

So let me get this straight, they are going to be galavanting all over the country, going to visit their probably not real young parents----bringing with them the potential for the coronavirus to be transmitted between all of these different people-- OMG

Let's pretend there is no pandemic!!!! Apparently that works well for some of us!

This is exactly what I think is going to happen a lot in Florida. Folks from so many states under restrictions--will just come to Florida so they can really play with no rules in FL... I gobs of vacationers from before Thanksgiving until after New Years.

And as Mr. and Ms Granuzzo, others are going to move down here to work remotely rather than back in a colder state--because they can really play with no rules....

This will be DeSantis' way of saying--"see, no lock-down, so economy is strong" while numbers getting the virus will still go up up up.

 

[ilovewings]

This is exactly what I think is going to happen a lot in Florida. Folks from so many states under restrictions--will just come to Florida so they can really play with no rules in FL... I gobs of vacationers from before Thanksgiving until after New Years.

And as Mr. and Ms Granuzzo, others are going to move down here to work remotely rather than back in a colder state--because they can really play with no rules....

This will be DeSantis' way of saying--"see, no lock-down, so economy is strong" while numbers getting the virus will still go up up up.

In a normal year, we would already be in Florida. Not this year. i don't know if we will even make it there this year . Yes, the weather is better - not only beautiful, but people can be outdoors and not cooped up like here in the North. One reason I am not anxious to get to Florida is that we would have to travel 1300 miles to get there, in the boonies, where the virus is really surging. I am not convinced that people would be wearing masks at those stops along the way down South. All those good ol boys, ya know. Just seems a bit too risky right now.

 

[MimosaMornings]

In a normal year, we would already be in Florida. Not this year. i don't know if we will even make it there this year . Yes, the weather is better - not only beautiful, but people can be outdoors and not cooped up like here in the North. One reason I am not anxious to get to Florida is that we would have to travel 1300 miles to get there, in the boonies, where the virus is really surging. I am not convinced that people would be wearing masks at those stops along the way down South. All those good ol boys, ya know. Just seems a bit too risky right now.

I’d be worried about how full the hospitals are in Florida!
A house with your own yard and no shared space would be nice so you wouldn’t have to worry about an elevator/hallways/common areas.

 

[margarita25]

How good is this. A Primary School in my city has a therapy dog who goes to school with the kids. He has been especially important this year - for obvious reasons.

"He's a really good listener"
"It just lets the worries melt away"
"Apollo has been especially important to these guys in 2020"
"Kid's have been, like, stressed out a lot .. so we can just go to Apollo, we can talk about it"

View attachment 272449


Nice short video of Apollo, working, in link .....
School Therapy Dog

 

[margarita25]

COVID-19: Supermarkets most common exposure setting for catching coronavirus in England, latest data suggests

Supermarkets are the most frequent common exposure setting for those catching COVID-19 in England, new data suggests.

Public Health England (PHE) collated the data using the NHS Test and Trace app.

By analysing the contacts and retracing the steps of the 128,808 people who'd reported they had tested positive between 9 November and 15 November, PHE has uncovered where transmission is likely to be happening.

During the increased national restrictions in England, supermarkets have remained open for shoppers. The new data set suggests they are now the primary setting where the disease is being transmitted.

Thanks for posting, I have been waiting for more definitive reports on this, and this is something that I have been saying from the beginning. As I’ve mentioned previously, it was apparent to me that this was happening, especially during lockdowns when people were still getting infected, despite working from home, etc. Some of these people, the only place they were going was the grocery store. To each his own, but this is why I have only done grocery delivery since March. There have been infinite outbreaks at grocery stores as well, some of which I’ve posted.

I’ve noticed many people in my circle don’t do grocery delivery, especially some who are elderly, because they may not be tech savvy and may feel intimidated, impatient, and/or may find it mildly inconvenient to have to schedule a time or not get exactly all the items they want all the time.

I have read some reports about people not respecting distancing in grocery stores, not wearing masks, etc.

To those who haven’t hopped on the grocery delivery chain yet, now is the time. If anyone needs help getting started, please message me bc I can very confidently call myself an expert in this regard and can help offer many tips to make the process easier.

To me it comes down to this - it is simply not worth the risk, especially when you have a clear way to avoid it via delivery. There are many grocery outlets which now deliver, and one can even have dry goods shipped directly via Kroger, Target, etc., and even some of the manufacturers themselves. Yes, it does require time and patience.

I have a whole system once the items arrive, which if I were to describe may sound overboard to some, but that’s fine because I have peace of mind and am not taking any chances.

 

[Sprockett7701]

At this rate, coronavirus is killing at least one American every minute of the day.

At least 1,707 new Covid-19 deaths were reported Tuesday, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That's the highest daily death toll since May 14.

And it's only going to get worse, said Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor at George Washington University School of Medicine.

US Coronavirus: 1,707 Covid-19 deaths were reported in 1 day. That's the highest daily death toll in 6 months - CNN

And yet sooooo many still think it’s fake news...I seem to be saying “give me strength” a lot lately, so now I sound like my mother too...great! How can it get worse than 1 a minute...

 

[Sprockett7701]

I'm retired and old and ... worn. Yet I will do what needs to be done without a second thought. Hmmm, I've always wanted to travel to Oz Is the quarantine free room and board for 2 weeks... and perhaps have an opportunity to get out of this mess in the US?

I don’t think our govt is too keen on letting US travellers in right now ;-) But if we could, we’d love to have you...as long as you quarantine for 14 days!!

 

[MimosaMornings]

I downloaded the app for the closest grocery store that did curbside pickup for several of my elderly relatives. Some will waive the fee for those over 65.
I go over the list weekly and place the order for them. Usually staple/recurring items.
(Bread, milk, wine )
Instacart was a disaster.

 

[24Roses]

Iowa numbers and news today: As of 10:00-11:00 a.m., we had 4,195 new "confirmed" cases for a total of 198,674 of which 112,778 are recovering (+1,490). 38 more were reported to have passed for a total of 2,102. There are 83,794 active positive cases with a 24 hr. positvity rate of 40% (KWWL says they divide the number of positive tests (4,195) by the number of tests given (10,426 most recent) to get that number. So IMO, I'm not sure that all of those tests given could have results back in 24 hrs.
There were 233 hospitalized in the last 24 hrs. for a total of 1,516 (-11 for the 1st time in at least 1.5 weeks IMO). Here are the approximate daily age group increases (short 2 to make numbers mach): 0-17: 19,126 (+452); 18-40: 84,835 (+1,551); 41-60: 56,602 (+1,329); 61-80: 29,794 (+703); and 81+: 8,265 (+158)
Nov. 19: 38 more COVID-19 deaths, 4,195 new cases, hospitalizations down slightly, ICU/ventilator usage up slightly
Iowa COVID-19 Information Daily case totals updated at 11:00 a.m.
Lawsuit against Tyson alleges Waterloo managers bet on how many workers would get COVID-19, one called it "glorified flu"
Tyson Foods issues statement in reaction to wrongful death lawsuit
$14 million in funding going to Iowa's long-term care facilities 20 more long term outbreaks will be added today. 22,000 total new cases in last 7 days compared to 36,000 the previous week.
Iowa unemployment claims up by more than 1,000
Iowa’s ‘Stop the spread’ PSA campaign begins

 

[margarita25]

And yet sooooo many still think it’s fake news...I seem to be saying “give me strength” a lot lately, so now I sound like my mother too...great! How can it get worse than 1 a minute...

What they’re not realizing, is that THEY are the ones absorbing fake news and conspiracy theories.

Someone told me the other day that “even the doctors don’t know anything...”. This is something I’ve heard a few times now, that the doctors don’t know anything. Well, I’d be willing to bet that none of them who say this, or few of them, have attempted to even read a single medical report. While doctors and scientists will say straight up there is still a LOT to be learned about this virus, I think we can all agree here that there ARE doctors who know enough about this virus by now to advise what is important, that is that this is a dangerous virus, and explain how it’s transmitted, and how one can protect oneself and each other.

So, in other words, this misconception that some people spew re: “even the doctors don’t know anything” is false. I can name ten or more doctors by name off the top of my head who do know enough, and who have said enough, about the what is important to know about this virus.

 

[Sprockett7701]

How good is this. A Primary School in my city has a therapy dog who goes to school with the kids. He has been especially important this year - for obvious reasons.

"He's a really good listener"
"It just lets the worries melt away"
"Apollo has been especially important to these guys in 2020"
"Kid's have been, like, stressed out a lot .. so we can just go to Apollo, we can talk about it"

View attachment 272449


Nice short video of Apollo, working, in link .....
School Therapy Dog

Love, love, love this. There is a dog reading program also, but the name escapes me atm