Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #88

[Sprockett7701]

Obviously nobody can go back and change the past. I was speaking to who would actually listen to Pence TODAY, after all that’s happened, however one views the past. My comments were just about how I believe people from both sides would view anything Pence said NOW, based on all that’s transpired up til now. IMO, there’s nothing he can say *at this point* that many haven’t already said (wash your hands, don’t travel if it’s not essential, wear a mask, etc), and if he did get out there and repeat the same stuff, the folks not listening aren’t suddenly going to listen and the folks who have criticized him (right or wrong, not the point) will continue to criticize whatever he says (it’s about time, where has he been, he should’ve said this months ago, etc). There’s just no point other than window dressing I guess. It’s not going to change what’s happening for a multitude of reasons.

Edited to add: As you so aptly put it, the horse has long since left the barn on this. So what’s the point in all of the “OMG, where is Pence???” other than to continue to criticize what can’t be changed at this point? I admit, I can understand why he wouldn’t want to waste his time. It seems hopeless that we will change anyone’s perspective of this crisis. He’s on his way out. Let’s let someone else fix it. Biden’s messaging has been calm and measured, not that his approach seems to help either, as evidenced by people continuing to do whatever they want to do, regardless of consequences. But then I go back to the leaders preaching restrictions, then doing the opposite. So I honestly think we’re screwed no matter what.

The horse has left the barn because the USA has turned a health pandemic into a political pandemic...meanwhile 65 people an hour are dying...shameful, whatever side of the fence you’re on I would’ve thought.

 

[margarita25]

Oh great
Pence & wife
No masks
Again.

Vice-President Pence is the "point person" for the coronavirus task force for goodness sakes
C'mon...

At this point I think it's disrespectful
Just my view

Who’s on the U.S. Coronavirus Task Force
Who’s on the U.S. Coronavirus Task Force

This is just like when he went into Mayo Clinic without a mask.

Pence flouts Mayo Clinic policy on masks -- which is to wear one

 

[dmac55]

CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting to discuss distribution.
CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting - CNN

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Bruce, Jon & Jon Billboard


springsteen
Verified
Teamed up with some fellow New Jerseyans to encourage everyone this holiday season to wear a friggin’ mask. Let’s all come together and #MaskUpNJ so we can get back to what we do best – singing along and dancing together.

 

[Colorado303]

They really didn't pay attention. Only older folks watch national news. Most of the nation doesn't live in NYC or in NY. They seriously, seriously don't know what happened...out here. If they do get wind of it, they are told it's a hoax OR they simple can't imagine it and go on with their lives.

"It's just a flu," is another common option. And really, for most of the younger people (who are the asymptomatic carriers in larger numbers), it truly is just like a real bad flu...which sort of lingers, more like mono. Which they have usually not heard of.

None of them has had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox or even strep throat. Many of them can't remember ever having the flu. (Flu shot compliance gets higher ever year - 70& of my students this year had it).

Death rates for the 40-50 year olds who get it are about 1 in 200.

For 51-65 year olds it's 1 in 100 or slightly less.

For 66-75 year olds it's either 2% or 3% depending on the study.

75-90 is about 5% dead. Over 90%, it's 6-20% depending on study.

It's always hard to draw any kind of "true" conclusion from this type of data, since so far, it's been mostly symptomatic, worried people (mostly older) who have gone into ER's and been tested. But we also have increasing large numbers of positives coming from workplace requirements to test. The people who are dying (throughout those groups) tend to be obese or overweight, diabetic or prediabetic, have high bloodpressure and the likelihood is that they have 2 or more of those.

But some people through all groups have no known pre-existing conditions (we don't know how many, yet) or silent conditions (many different ones).

Meanwhile, antibody studies show that way more people have had it than we have positive tests for...they often say they never knew they had it or can only recall sniffles.

Numbers above are approximate. Overall death rate in the US is 3% right now. To me, that's really high (what, 1 in 33/34 people who get it?)

And as for people who are dying unexpectedly of heart attacks and strokes, at ages younger than models would predict. I'm mourning the death of Dr. Mary Fowkes (I did not know her personally, but admired her work so much). She worked with (dead) COVID patients and their body fluids every day. She made major discoveries about COVID and she died at 66, at home alone. She was not known to have had prior heart problems. She was the first, AFAIK, to view micro bloodclots due to COVID in human lungs, brains and hearts. She predicted that strokes, heart attacks and lung damage might occur even in the asymptomatic.

Yes, Mary was amazing and I was shocked to learn of her sudden death. I read it was a heart attack but can’t help wondering if it was COVID related.

 

[dmac55]

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Love!
And I didn't even have to log in to see it
(don't have an Instagram account)
Your link took me right to it

 

[sds71]

Rep.-Elect Lauren Boebert Holds ‘Turkey Funeral’ With 30 Guests On Thanksgiving – CBS Denver (cbslocal.com)

“In Colorado, Thanksgiving is limited to 10 people, but funerals are limited to 30,” Boebert told Fox News in a recent interview in Washington, D.C. “So I’m going to have a peaceful funeral for a turkey and have about 30 people at my house.”
She later tweeted that she was also holding a funeral for a pig and a duck.

Gov. Jared Polis responded on Facebook, stating: “My hope and prayer is that it doesn’t turn into a real funeral for any of the attendees. The simple facts are that for a gathering that size, it’s more likely than not than an attendee will bring coronavirus in and that it will spread to several guests.”

 

[weepingangel]

Colorado Hospitals Brace For Surge In COVID-19 Cases Following Thanksgiving Festivities

The hospital has increased its capacity by making larger single rooms into double rooms, hiring more nurses, and implementing a hospital-at-home option for less-critical patients.

“We’ve also taken our acute care beds that we have used to take care of less sick people, and we’ve turned them into ICU capable beds, with increased monitoring,” Young said. “In terms of our hospital at home, those are patients who potentially would have been hospitalized elsewhere, but we are able to give them vital sign machines, at-home pulse oximeters, and thermometers, so that they or a family member can take their temperature and their vital signs, a couple times a day, and then they get calls from outpatient providers to make sure that they’re succeeding.”

 

[drama_farmer]

Colorado Hospitals Brace For Surge In COVID-19 Cases Following Thanksgiving Festivities

The hospital has increased its capacity by making larger single rooms into double rooms, hiring more nurses, and implementing a hospital-at-home option for less-critical patients.

“We’ve also taken our acute care beds that we have used to take care of less sick people, and we’ve turned them into ICU capable beds, with increased monitoring,” Young said. “In terms of our hospital at home, those are patients who potentially would have been hospitalized elsewhere, but we are able to give them vital sign machines, at-home pulse oximeters, and thermometers, so that they or a family member can take their temperature and their vital signs, a couple times a day, and then they get calls from outpatient providers to make sure that they’re succeeding.”

In a weird way, I have to admire the word play/spin being used. "Hospital at Home" feels very quaint and caring. I guess the alternative " We're running out of physical space and staff" wouldn't go over very well. Imo

 

[weepingangel]

Oh yes. agreed with the warm and fuzzy terminology.
Round here we’d probably put those patients into our field hospitals ....if they’re able to staff them Might as well be in your own comfy bed at your (hospital at) home

In a weird way, I have to admire the word play/spin being used. "Hospital at Home" feels very quaint and caring. I guess the alternative " We're running out of physical space and staff" wouldn't go over very well. Imo

 

[SoCalDavidS]

“In Colorado, Thanksgiving is limited to 10 people, but funerals are limited to 30,” Boebert told Fox News in a recent interview in Washington, D.C. “So I’m going to have a peaceful funeral for a turkey and have about 30 people at my house.”

Gov. Jared Polis responded on Facebook, stating: “My hope and prayer is that it doesn’t turn into a real funeral for any of the attendees. The simple facts are that for a gathering that size, it’s more likely than not than an attendee will bring coronavirus in and that it will spread to several guests.”

Reminds me of a certain candidate who held many rallies, and referred to all of them as Peaceful Protests, as justification.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

A Big Boy restaurant in Michigan’s Thumb region has lost its name after the owners refused to stop indoor dining as part of statewide restrictions to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Customers were greeted Friday with Sandusky Diner instead of Sandusky Big Boy, the name for 35 years. The company that grants franchises took action. The Sandusky location, about 88 miles north of Detroit, was one of four eateries cited this week for violating the state’s order against indoor dining. Three other establishments also had their liquor licenses suspended.

Big Boy’s corporate office told the owners that they had 24 hours to comply with the state’s order, said Troy Tank, part owner and operations manager for the restaurant.

Patrick Blake, spokesman for Southfield-based Big Boy Restaurant Group, said the Sandusky restaurant is no longer allowed to use the Big Boy brand.

“Big Boy’s number one priority is ... the safety of customers and staff” and the Sandusky restaurant’s actions “are not representative of Big Boy standards,” Blake said.

Big Boy no more: Restaurant loses its franchise name after refusing virus restrictions

Editorial Comment: Bob's Big Boy was probably my favorite restaurant growing up. My 3 favorite items.....Chili Spaghetti, Hot Fudge Cake & Big Boy Burger w/Fries. There used to be a ton of locations in CA, but now there are only about 4-5. Closest is about a 1 1/4 hour drive, and I've been meaning to venture out there.

 

[anneg]

CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting to discuss distribution.
CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting - CNN

From what my DIL tells me, we old folks in our 70s probably will not be vaccinated until the spring, maybe March-April timeframe. She is part of a university vaccine research group.

 

[anneg]

Oh yes. agreed with the warm and fuzzy terminology.
Round here we’d probably put those patients into our field hospitals ....if they’re able to staff them Might as well be in your own comfy bed at your (hospital at) home

Yes, I imagine many people would rather be at home, especially if they have a spouse or other family members there who can help care for them.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

From what my DIL tells me, we old folks in our 70s probably will not be vaccinated until the spring, maybe March-April timeframe. She is part of a university vaccine research group.

I don't recall if you live in US, UK, Canada or elsewhere.

Dr. Campbell had someone in the last 2 days on his YouTube... and they said Canada would follow later than the US for even primary vaccinations.

It really will be AWFUL if Oxford/AstraZeneca is held back due to unbelievable errors MOO in their manufacturing .This was "THE WORLD" vaccine. And it has a mar on their trial? SMH SMH.

I REALLY REALLY want to know how it came to be that the vials were filled incorrectly at the manufacturer in the UK trial - yet nowhere else in the world.

As to tiers, we'll see country to country differences also.

 

[weepingangel]

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More at link
Nearly a third of the nurses who've died of coronavirus in the US are Filipino, even though Filipino nurses make up just 4% of the nursing population nationwide.

A recent report from the largest nurses' union in the country revealed the disproportionate number of deaths. It's a jarring statistic researchers are working to understand and a tragedy families across the US and around the world are living with every day.

Jhulan Banago feels it when he visits his mom's grave site every week and when he keeps putting out a plate of food for her at the dinner table every night.

Tiffany Olega felt it when she walked through the gates of Disneyland and collapsed to the ground, crying as she set foot in one of her mom's favorite places for the first time after her death.

Jollene Levid feels it every morning, when she combs through health-care workers' obituaries and keeps finding Filipino names. She sees her family in their faces -- so many senseless deaths.

"People always talk about it as numbers, but then when so many of the folks you know have died, and it wasn't because they weren't wearing a mask, it wasn't because they decided to eat at a restaurant. They were literally trying to keep someone alive and they caught it," Levid says.

"You have to ask, why is this happening to our community?" she adds. "There are so many factors, but I would assert that every death was preventable, which is what makes it so much harder."

 

[anneg]

I don't recall if you live in US, UK, Canada or elsewhere.

Dr. Campbell had someone in the last 2 days on his YouTube... and they said Canada would follow later than the US for even primary vaccinations.

It really will be AWFUL if Oxford/AstraZeneca is held back due to unbelievable errors MOO in their manufacturing .This was "THE WORLD" vaccine. And it has a mar on their trial? SMH SMH.

I REALLY REALLY want to know how it came to be that the vials were filled incorrectly at the manufacturer in the UK trial - yet nowhere else in the world.

As to tiers, we'll see country to country differences also.

I'm in the U.S. I asked my DIL about the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, and she is not worried about it--thinks it will be fine. So that was reassuring to me.

 

[margarita25]

Not so random vent, I’m reflecting on a difficult conversation I had with a friend about traveling during Thanksgiving. I may elaborate more on that later bc I do think it is reflective of our overall situation on a small scale.

Anyway, so I’m thinking that some people this holiday, who consciously ignored professional after professional after professional not to travel, will get some of their family members sick, those whom they love the most, some which statistically will die. And this is something that they are going to have to live with for the rest of their lives.

This guilt will not be easy. Oh how it could have just been avoided...

It is a shame that this will happen. Everything is just such a shame. While I experience a plethora of emotions wrt all this, as we all do, I think I’m at the point of just “sadness”, like a forced acceptance that there is not a darn thing I can do...it’s just a sad shaking of my head, and not even in a judgmental way, just a sad, powerless way.

Colorado Hospitals Brace For Surge In COVID-19 Cases Following Thanksgiving Festivities

The hospital has increased its capacity by making larger single rooms into double rooms, hiring more nurses, and implementing a hospital-at-home option for less-critical patients.

“We’ve also taken our acute care beds that we have used to take care of less sick people, and we’ve turned them into ICU capable beds, with increased monitoring,” Young said. “In terms of our hospital at home, those are patients who potentially would have been hospitalized elsewhere, but we are able to give them vital sign machines, at-home pulse oximeters, and thermometers, so that they or a family member can take their temperature and their vital signs, a couple times a day, and then they get calls from outpatient providers to make sure that they’re succeeding.”

Yeah, and you know who will be holding the hands of the people as they die? My best friend.

I’ve never heard her drop so many F Bombs in one conversation in my life.

She is ANGRY. (Yes, the same one, athlete herself who is boycotting pro-sports).

Again, she wants all the people who are screwing around to help carry the bodies out.

—

Eta: This reminds of another thing she told me on the phone the other day. She wants to know where the National Guard and military help is, that they are/have “trained medics”.

I told her that I was just looking online at their listed deployments, and also that they were deployed in El Paso to help with “bodies” there.

Another thing, remember in the early days I was expecting/hoping for the NG/military to help deliver food? Instead people are waiting in lines and lines and lines...

There are so many things everyone needs help with. So much help people are not getting, jmo.

 

[SouthAussie]

CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting to discuss distribution.
CDC Covid-19 vaccine advisers call emergency meeting - CNN

21 million healthcare personnel
87 million essential workers
100 million adults with high-risk medical conditions
53 million others 65 and older

The federal government has said 40 million coronavirus vaccine doses could be available by the end of December.

"It is important for the public to understand that we are dealing with select groups of individuals -- not the general public."

 

[SouthAussie]

Covid-19 is taking a devastating toll on Filipino American nurses



More at link
Nearly a third of the nurses who've died of coronavirus in the US are Filipino, even though Filipino nurses make up just 4% of the nursing population nationwide.

A recent report from the largest nurses' union in the country revealed the disproportionate number of deaths. It's a jarring statistic researchers are working to understand and a tragedy families across the US and around the world are living with every day.

Jhulan Banago feels it when he visits his mom's grave site every week and when he keeps putting out a plate of food for her at the dinner table every night.

Tiffany Olega felt it when she walked through the gates of Disneyland and collapsed to the ground, crying as she set foot in one of her mom's favorite places for the first time after her death.

Jollene Levid feels it every morning, when she combs through health-care workers' obituaries and keeps finding Filipino names. She sees her family in their faces -- so many senseless deaths.

"People always talk about it as numbers, but then when so many of the folks you know have died, and it wasn't because they weren't wearing a mask, it wasn't because they decided to eat at a restaurant. They were literally trying to keep someone alive and they caught it," Levid says.

"You have to ask, why is this happening to our community?" she adds. "There are so many factors, but I would assert that every death was preventable, which is what makes it so much harder."

We just hired a Filipino lad (recently obtained his Aussie citizenship) as a 4-year apprentice at a company where I work. Fabulous lad, so respectful, industrious and nice.

Anyway, he was telling us about how very, very bad it is in the Phillipines. Covid has hit their population hard. Lots of loss and sickness. He doesn't expect that he can return there to visit for at least a couple of years.

I wonder if their susceptibility is genetic, or if it is that they get out there and work really hard and are more exposed.