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  • #501
I think it will be July for the general public.
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.
 
  • #502
My gosh ... I just watched a show (Australian Story) about a healthy family guy who got sepsis from a sore throat. Within days his body shut down, his limbs died. He miraculously made it through - more than a year later - and now he and his family are adjusting, he is getting full prosthetics, his young kids are adjusting, life goes on. They are a brave and happy family.

At the end of the show they were speaking of sepsis awareness and the need to recognise it immediately, for the best chance of recovery.

And this is something that covid patients can and do get.
Until tonight I never realised exactly what these people go through, and many don't make it.

Here is the Australian Story show (29 mins long) in case anyone wants to see it. Hopefully the link works in other countries.
A Matter of Minutes


Recently, coronavirus disease 2019 has been closely related to sepsis, which suggests that most deaths in ICUs in infected patients are produced by viral sepsis.
Sepsis and Coronavirus Disease 2019: Common Features and Anti-Inflammatory Therapeutic Approaches

Some of the people around the world who have died from COVID-19, have died because they have had sepsis. Once the disease has made them sick, their body has tried to fight off the infection and overreacted, shutting down their organs and killing healthy tissue.
The link between coronavirus (COVID-19) and sepsis.

Sepsis is a killer. My 85 year old mil ignored a UTI because she wanted to go to a wedding, and got very ill the next day and was hospitalized with sepsis. She died two weeks later. The moral of the story...never ignore a UTI.

That’s certainly a happy ending for the man in the story. So glad he made it, but what an ordeal!
 
  • #503
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.

If you have been following this thread, you will have seen numbers that we at WS have shared as to how many will be available and when. Yes, we hope that it will be efficient and effective. I think that the OP was talking about when it would be a significant number for the general public to be immunized.. not when it is first started.

Yes, to get to the "main" public/get a shot out to the main public, it will be months... and not in Dec/jan. MOO. Priorities are millions before the main public MOO.

Perhaps a misunderstanding that flowed into a belief it would take 6-7+ months to begin distribution. I don't think I've seen ANYWHERE or anyone that stated such @nightowl1975 .
 
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  • #504
Lillibet, this is just so well written. Truly. Can I borrow the word? I would love to share them with a few of my beloved deniers.

You’re very kind @nhmemorymaker. Feel free to borrow. Let me know if it does any good! :)
 
  • #505
If you have been following this thread, you will have seen numbers that we at WS have shared as to how many will be available and when. Yes, we hope that it will be efficient and effective. I think that the OP was talking about when it would be a significant number for the general public to be immunized.. not when it is first started.

Yes, to get to the "main" public/get a shot out to the main public, it will be months... and not in Dec/jan. MOO. Priorities are millions before the main public MOO.

Perhaps a misunderstanding that flowed into a belief it would take 6-7+ months to begin distribution. I don't think I've seen ANYWHERE or anyone that stated such @nightowl1975 .

Yes, as one in the over 65 category, I’m figuring maybe April/May by the time all the front lines workers and nursing home residents get theirs. Maybe longer, but I’m OK waiting. I saw a segment on “60 Minutes” a few weeks ago about the General who is in charge of organizing the distribution. The military will be very involved. Not only will they know what hospitals and clinics and drug stores have received the vaccine, they will know when each shot is given! I was quite impressed and it gave me confidence that it will be as organized as possible.


Transcript:
Inside the Operation Warp Speed effort to get Americans a COVID-19 vaccine
 
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  • #506
I think it will be July for the general public.
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.
If you have been following this thread, you will have seen numbers that we at WS have shared as to how many will be available and when. Yes, we hope that it will be efficient and effective. I think that the OP was talking about when it would be a significant number for the general public to be immunized.. not when it is first started.

Yes, to get to the "main" public/get a shot out to the main public, it will be months... and not in Dec/jan. MOO. Priorities are millions before the main public MOO.

Perhaps a misunderstanding that flowed into a belief it would take 6-7+ months to begin distribution. I don't think I've seen ANYWHERE or anyone that stated such @nightowl1975 .
I’m just curious why some think it’s reasonable for it to take many months to distribute a basic shot to the general public. I don’t mean “begin” distribution, I mean get it out there for Joe Q Public to get a covid vaccine if they want one. It shouldn’t take half a year or more to get that done. It took many months to ramp up testing for the general public which many found to be incredibly ridiculous and unreasonable. It seems like manufacturing and distributing an actual injection shouldn’t be as complex as testing.

FYI: I work in direct healthcare with covid, so I’ve not only followed this thread but the actual virus up close and in person from day one.
 
  • #507
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.

I’m just curious why some think it’s reasonable for it to take many months to distribute a basic shot to the general public. I don’t mean “begin” distribution, I mean get it out there for Joe Q Public to get a covid vaccine if they want one. It shouldn’t take half a year or more to get that done. It took many months to ramp up testing for the general public which many found to be incredibly ridiculous and unreasonable. It seems like manufacturing and distributing an actual injection shouldn’t be as complex as testing.

FYI: I work in direct healthcare with covid, so I’ve not only followed this thread but the actual virus up close and in person from day one.

How long does it take for the FDA to approve the vaccine?

Sure it's going to be a great thing once the vaccine is available to the public.

Really, the sooner the better.
 
  • #508
How long does it take for the FDA to approve the vaccine?

Sure it's going to be a great thing once the vaccine is available to the public.

Really, the sooner the better.
Pfizer applied for emergency authorization around November 20, 2020, so at least 9 days ago. According to this article, it’ll take about 3 weeks for the FDA to complete their review. So that’s what? Just under two weeks from now that we can expect at least one to be authorized by the FDA for emergency use? That’s what most (all?) of the tests are being conducted under (emergency authorizations) from what I recall. It should be a fairly speedy process once approved. Hoping that comes in the next two weeks. This is truly a first in modern medical history to have vaccines available this quickly. Our medical community has been nothing short of miraculous during this entire pandemic.

Pfizer Applies for Emergency F.D.A. Approval for Covid-19 Vaccine
 
  • #509
Lillibet, this is just so well written. Truly. Can I borrow the word? I would love to share them with a few of my beloved deniers.

Speaking of “my beloved deniers” / I woke up this morning very upset and concerned about the following situation:

Yesterday I had alluded to a difficult discussion with a friend about traveling during Thanksgiving in this post. He has a new younger girlfriend, who flew out of state to visit her family.

This girlfriend, who works in a retail location in which many customers and coworkers are elderly, said basically, “If I get it, I get it”. Now there are obviously a couple things wrong here: this statement basically meant that not only is she not going to go out of her way to be cautious, but more importantly, this shows her focus on “her”, and no concern about the others whom she may expose, or the increasing burden on healthcare workers, etc. I was dying to tell them what my healthcare worker friend said, which is “help carry the bodies out then”.

So, anyway, she flew out of state, has returned now and has just been picked up from the airport, and now the girlfriend and my friend, who has several kids, now are on a sightseeing road trip in the car, which brings me to why I woke up very upset this morning.

She has now potentially exposed all his kids. I am angry at not only her, but also my friend.

Now, keep in mind, he also mentioned conspiracy Q. (Roll Eyes)

I’m not sure the published data accurately represents the full number of MIS-C cases, as it’s possible some could be lumped in with covid positive general numbers, as indicated in this post, which took me all night: If you haven’t seen this post, I kindly ask that you expand all the quotes and really take a look, bc I specifically highlighted some of the children, with their photos and stories, so people could see just how sick some of these kids are getting, and how some are suffering from long term effects. (Latest posts on children can also be viewed directly in MIS-C thread in non-quoted fashion here.)

If people don’t want to mask up, etc., and don’t care about “old people“, or adults, maybe they would care more if they knew that some children, an increasing number, really are becoming ill, some dying, and suffering long term effects...even one child (or person) being sick should be enough for a person to mask up and try to be cautious. If you don’t care about adults, at least care about the kids.

Imo, it’s possible full information/data about covid and kids could also be somewhat, skewed/suppressed, due to data being grouped with general covid numbers as I mentioned, and the various pressure on the CDC and schools to reopen (“Barron just had the ‘sniffles’ and “it affects virtually nobody”...) - I don’t think we have heard enough about the “kids”, and this is something that I think is getting overlooked by the general population. IMO, there needs to be msm featuring these children.
 
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  • #510
How long does it take for the FDA to approve the vaccine?

Sure it's going to be a great thing once the vaccine is available to the public.

Really, the sooner the better.


Notes / Vaccine / EUA:
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained
FDA / Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained
Nov. 20

Pfizer and BioNTech seek FDA emergency use authorization for coronavirus vaccine - CNN
Nov. 20

FDA / Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19
Oct. 20

John’s Hopkins / What Is Emergency Use Authorization?
Oct. 20
 
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  • #511
I’m not really following the vaccine stuff in detail. Other than seeing it as a pinpoint of light at the end of the tunnel

It suuuuuure would be nice to get some of these kids (and teachers) jabbed and back in school ASAP (After hc and other essentials of course)Maybe during the same phase as over the 60s? Let’s prioritize the kids and old folks for once this pandemic huh?

I think many more than the usual number of vaccine decliners will pass (including hc&essential workers and parents of school aged kids) so that will hopefully move the timeline slightly ahead a smidge for everyone else.

Imma guessing April/may *to start for the general population


Eta links
975 Doses Per Delivery, And Other Coronavirus Vaccine Details For Massachusetts Hospitals

Far More Doses of COVID Vaccine Than Expected May Be Available in Mass. By Year-End
 
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  • #512
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.

I’m just curious why some think it’s reasonable for it to take many months to distribute a basic shot to the general public. I don’t mean “begin” distribution, I mean get it out there for Joe Q Public to get a covid vaccine if they want one. It shouldn’t take half a year or more to get that done. It took many months to ramp up testing for the general public which many found to be incredibly ridiculous and unreasonable. It seems like manufacturing and distributing an actual injection shouldn’t be as complex as testing.

FYI: I work in direct healthcare with covid, so I’ve not only followed this thread but the actual virus up close and in person from day one.

There are infinite references why distribution/rollout and vaccination is expected to the general public next year, some second, third quarter - one factor is prioritized vaccination for healthcare workers and more vulnerable groups. There are also logistical aspects. We also have an escalated situation now where facilities are becoming overloaded and nurses are tending to covid patients, as indicated in last night’s discussion. It is a huge endeavor to vaccinate this many people.
 
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  • #514
Why do you think it would take 6-7+ months to distribute a vaccine once approved? That seems unreasonable to me. We know a vaccine is coming. Preparation is underway to manufacture and distribute it. Once we have a new leadership in place, expectations are high that they’ll be efficient and effective. To me, months and months to get a basic shot out to the public isn’t reasonable.

I’m just curious why some think it’s reasonable for it to take many months to distribute a basic shot to the general public. I don’t mean “begin” distribution, I mean get it out there for Joe Q Public to get a covid vaccine if they want one. It shouldn’t take half a year or more to get that done. It took many months to ramp up testing for the general public which many found to be incredibly ridiculous and unreasonable. It seems like manufacturing and distributing an actual injection shouldn’t be as complex as testing.

FYI: I work in direct healthcare with covid, so I’ve not only followed this thread but the actual virus up close and in person from day one.
IMO because 380 million is a very, very, very large number. And it's possible people will need more than 1 jab.

Maybe a factory can quickly produce 380 million paper clips, but 380 million (or potentionally 760 million) doses of a highly sensitive biomedical product that must be manufactured to extremely rigorous standards and subject to very high quality control (oops, that batch of 5000 doses was substandard, oh well, mistakes happen).

Then it needs to be administered. How many people are there to administer this vaccine? You can't just diy or just hire college kids. Lets say, 20,000 nurses can be recruited to just do that. That means each nurse has to do 17,500 doses. Can you imagine administering 17,500 shots? How many per day can one person do? I have no idea. But I don't think each person could do 500 per day, which would get it done in a month.
 
  • #515
Yes, as one in the over 65 category, I’m figuring maybe April/May by the time all the front lines workers and nursing home residents get theirs. Maybe longer, but I’m OK waiting. I saw a segment on “60 Minutes” a few weeks ago about the General who is in charge of organizing the distribution. The military will be very involved. Not only will they know what hospitals and clinics and drug stores have received the vaccine, they will know when each shot is given! I was quite impressed and it gave me confidence that it will be as organized as possible.


Transcript:
Inside the Operation Warp Speed effort to get Americans a COVID-19 vaccine

When you mention a general being in charge of the distribution of covid-19 vaccines, it reminds me of General Russel L. Honoré, and Katrina
They know how to get things done
They are heros
 
  • #516
BBM:

From the above JAMA link dated Nov. 23:

“In addition to respiratory illness, concerns have arisen around multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C).13 An Italian series of 10 cases of Kawasaki-like syndrome included 8 patients with antibodies against SARS-CoV-2.14 New York state has reported more than 100 cases of Kawasaki-like disease, including 3 deaths, among children with COVID-19.15 Our evolving knowledge of MIS-C suggests that available evidence may be revealing only a partial picture of the effect of COVID-19 in the pediatric population.“

Exactly what I alluded to above, jmo.

All one needs to do is visit the link here and see that by no mean are kids out of the woods with this. As for rare, what does one consider rare? A hundred kids? A thousand kids? Ten thousand kids? These numbers are increasing. We need to start protecting the children, jmo, even if many may escaped unscathed. We do not know the long term effects fully. And it is evident that some children ARE experiencing them.

Some quick recent examples / See childrens’ stories and some of their effects / one must realize that these are only some of the cases that we are hearing about:

MIS-C in Atlanta child who had COVID-19 | wtsp.com

Mattapoisett boy battles COVID-19 and MIS-C
Nov. 25, 2020

“Dr. Brian Sard, the chair of pediatrics and director of the Boston Children's Hospital program at St. Luke's, said that MIS-C can present itself after acute COVID-19 exposure has passed. In Cooney's case, MIS-C symptoms of fever and rash followed his mild cold symptoms. Sard said that MIS-C can present itself in a constellation of symptoms similar to those in Kawasaki disease such as red eyes, swollen glands, rash, mucositis, swelling of hands or feet and GI problems.

Xifaras, herself a nurse, said a slew of new symptoms appeared over the next few days.

"It's unnerving because this isn't like an ear infection or strep throat where you know what's next," she said. "Every day there is something new."

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BBM:
According to Dr. Reynolds, Cooney's fever improved but then spiked again and he developed a severe pain in his left hip. The doctors were worried about toxic synovitis, where the soft tissue of a joint becomes inflamed. Cooney was admitted to Boston Children's Hospital to be further treated. Upon being admitted, he tested negative for COVID-19. As of Monday, it was confirmed by rheumatology that he had a mild case of MIS-C but there is still concern for the residual cardiac effect.


YOUNG BOY ON THE UP AND UP FOLLOWING SERIOUS HEALTH SCARE - Florida Keys Weekly Newspapers
Nov. 25, 2020



“Before Zane was admitted, no symptoms of COVID-19 were apparent. Three tests performed came back negative. It wasn’t until a 105-degree fever that Leah knew something was seriously wrong.

A positive antibodies test, however, led doctors to the belief that Zane had multisystem inflammatory syndrome, or MIS-C. While some eventually improve with medial care, others get worse — as was the case for Zane. With dips in his condition, from swelling to rash, came improvements, to the point of his release from the hospital on Aug. 4.

Today, Zane’s parents say his health is improving with his organs shrinking and returning to normal. Doctors continue to closely monitor an enlarged left lung artery and a heart murmur he developed through the illness, however.

[...]

“Zane has faced several life-threatening issues in his young life, as Dr. Stan Zuba said MIS-C attacked the young boy’s body so aggressively that there were times he didn’t know if he was going to pull through. But he did, Zuba says, with outstanding and state-of-the-art care and treatment at Nicklaus Children’s Hospital.“
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MIS-C in Atlanta child who had COVID-19 | wtsp.com
Nov. 25, 2020

“The Vasey Family thought they had beaten COVID-19.

It had been a few weeks and they were all feeling great but then Vivian started to get sick again, and they couldn't figure out what was wrong.

"I walk in to her room, and she's in a ball on the floor. And she's like, 'Mommy, my legs don't work. I can't walk,'" said Miranda Vasey.”

[...]

“"MIS-C, we only have data that goes back 10 months. From my understanding, we have only had 15,000 cases. So we don't know what the long-term effects of this will be on our child," she said.

In Georgia, there have been 83 confirmed cases of the disease according to the health department. Nationwide, there have been 20 pediatric deaths.

While the CDC classifies MIS-C as rare, the doctors treating Vivian told her family they're seeing a kid a week show up with symptoms.

"Parents need to know that kids can get really sick. You can't trust people to do the right thing, and if your child gets COVID-19, you need to have MIS-C on your radar, and you need to know that between two to four weeks later your child can get really sick," she said.”

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MIS-C: What to know about the COVID-19 related illness seen in kids
Nov. 16, 2020

“Twelve-year-old Madilyn Dayton's symptoms began with a headache and body aches.

Two to three days later, she couldn't walk or eat, and rashes appeared all over her body.

Then, she couldn't move at all.

"I remember my mom driving me to the hospital... and then I woke up in the ICU the next morning," she said.“
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Hudson Asche returns home to recover from MIS-C
Nov. 10, 2020

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Hudson

“On Hudson's caringbridge.org page, his mother Dana said he arrived back home last Sunday night, and he is still feeling "very sick and the doctors explained he is not going to just bounce back but it will take weeks to start feeling better, and close to 6 months before he feels back to normal." Dana said COVID and MIS-C have weakened Hudson and he will be going to physical therapy 2 to 3 times a week.“


Pediatricians call number of children with COVID "staggering and tragic" - WISH-TV | Indianapolis News | Indiana Weather | Indiana Traffic


Southern Indiana boy, 6, hospitalized with rare COVID-related syndrome MIS-C

Long Recovery Ahead For Minn. Teen Who Contracted Rare COVID-Related Syndrome MIS-C

Teen facing long recovery after suffering rare COVID-related syndrome

Little boy who died in Lubbock hospital after MIS-C was 3rd grader from Odessa

WATCH: Covenant Children’s hosts news conference to discuss a rise in cases of MIS-C in West Texas

Research Roundup: COVID; MIS-C; Leukemia; Childhood Cancer

Multi-system inflammatory syndrome, how's related to coronavirus | abc10.com
'My son almost died.' Mom issues warning after son is diagnosed with MIS-C which is connected to COVID-19
A pediatrician at Norton Children's Hospital said they've treated about a dozen children with multi-symptom inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C).


W. MI child’s death linked to COVID-19 | WOODTV.com
Nov. 21, 2020

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — A West Michigan child has died from complications thought to be directly related to coronavirus.”

[...]

“Unfortunately, we’ve been seeing cases of MIS-C at Helen DeVos Children’s Hospital. It’s a byproduct of coronavirus that we’re not totally sure of the whole connection,” said Dr. Daniel McGee, pediatric hospitalist.

The hospital says it couldn’t give specifics about the child’s age or when the child died.

However, officials say several children have been admitted to the hospital with MIS-C over the last few months.

“We’ve had at least a few patients hospitalized because of it. In the last week, there were at least two,” he said.““


Florida:

“There were 5,970 pediatric coronavirus cases Monday, compared to 1,657 on October 5

Data shows a rapid increase in pediatric COVID-19 cases since early October”


Experts Concerned About Florida Spike in Child COVID-19 Cases


Nov. 24
Over 1,000 Children Have Developed Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome After Contracting COVID

Nov. 19
6-year-old diagnosed with MIS-C released from hospital

Nov. 17
COVID, MIS-C show evidence of liver injury, require long-term monitoring

Higher SARS-CoV-2 antibody titers in patients hospitalized with MIS-C | 2 Minute Medicine

Nov. 16
A serious illness related to COVID-19 is showing up in Utah kids. Here's what you need to know
MIS-C: What to know about the COVID-19 related illness seen in kids

Nov. 15
Norfolk hospital has treated 7 children for rare coronavirus-linked syndrome


“Since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, more than 1 million infants, children and adolescents have been diagnosed with the illness, according to data released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics and Children’s Hospital Association, which are tracking data reported by state health departments.

As of Nov. 12, a total of 1,039,464 children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic. In the one-week period ending Nov. 12th, there were 111,946 new cases in children, which is substantially larger than any previous week in the pandemic. The increase tracks surges in the virus in communities across the U.S.

“As a pediatrician who has practiced medicine for over three decades, I find this number staggering and tragic. We haven’t seen a virus flash through our communities in this way since before we had vaccines for measles and polio,” said AAP President Sally Goza, MD, FAAP. “And while we wait for a vaccine to be tested and licensed to protect children from the virus that causes COVID-19, we must do more now to protect everyone in our communities. This is even more important as we approach winter, when people will naturally spend more time indoors where it is easier for the virus to be transmitted.”

More Than 1 Million Children in U.S. Diagnosed with COVID-19


“While some cases of the coronavirus tend to be mild for children, more than 1,000 children have developed multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). It’s a rare but serious complication that can occur after COVID-19 infection.

Four-year-old K.J. Griffin is the first child in the country to receive an experimental treatment for MIS-C. His mom, Talaiyah Stephens, cannot believe she came so close to losing him.”

[...]

“Dr. Allison Eckard, division director of pediatric infectious diseases at Medical University of South Carolina says, “His body was no longer pumping blood effectively to his vital organs, and they were starting to shut down.”

K.J. received high dose steroids, and aspirin, and plasma, as well as other drugs to help prevent blood clots. Doctors determined he was also a candidate for an experimental treatment called Remestemcel-L, which uses donor bone marrow cells to regulate the immune system.

“It acts as if that person is making those cells themselves, and so they circulate in the blood and release anti-inflammatory cytokines,” Dr. Eckard says. “The thought is that not only does it turn down inflammation, but it actually repairs some of the damage that’s been done.”“

Over 1,000 Children Have Developed Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome After Contracting COVID
Nov. 24, 2020


Boy under age of 10 becomes Manitoba's youngest COVID-19 victim, 487 new cases reported
Nov. 28, 2020

“An additional 10 deaths due to COVID-19 were announced Saturday by public health officials including a boy under the age of 10 from Winnipeg, the youngest Manitoba victim since the pandemic began.“


Experts Concerned About Florida Spike in Child COVID-19 Cases

“It’s estimated at the least that more than 1 million children (under the age of 18) in the U.S. are, or have been, infected with COVID-19.

While kids are often reported to have less severe symptoms, Wheeler said that should not give blanket comfort.

“The concern though is there is still a subset of children who go on to develop more severe symptoms and symptoms that require hospitalization,” Wheeler said
.

Kids are often believed to transmit COVID-19 at a lesser rate than adults, but Wheeler said it is a risk that remains concerning.

Youth will also be a focal point as pharmaceutical companies get closer to releasing a COVID-19 vaccine.

We need to make sure we’re paying attention to our pediatric population,” Wheeler said. “We have so much focus on adults getting sick and we need to remember that kids are impacted too. Kids aren’t little adults, kids need their own research, their own data, and we need to be cautious.

"While kids are doing well in general with COVID, there are still some getting really sick and we need to be doing everything we can to protect not only our adult population, but to be protecting our kids as well.”“
 
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  • #517
And there’s already a shortage of medical staff as they’re currently (and moreso in the next month or two) busy handling the patients from the recent (and upcoming) surges.
maybe medical retirees would be more inclined to come back to work and give shots rather than dive into a covid unit somewhere.



IMO because 380 million is a very, very, very large number. And it's possible people will need more than 1 jab.

Maybe a factory can quickly produce 380 million paper clips, but 380 million (or potentionally 760 million) doses of a highly sensitive biomedical product that must be manufactured to extremely rigorous standards and subject to very high quality control (oops, that batch of 5000 doses was substandard, oh well, mistakes happen).

Then it needs to be administered. How many people are there to administer this vaccine? You can't just diy or just hire college kids. Lets say, 20,000 nurses can be recruited to just do that. That means each nurse has to do 17,500 doses. Can you imagine administering 17,500 shots? How many per day can one person do? I have no idea. But I don't think each person could do 500 per day, which would get it done in a month.
 
  • #518
Ooo I thought this was a good piece on 60minutes (tic tic tic) when it was on a few weeks ago (again haven’t been following vaccine stuff much, so it was very interesting and informative moo)


Yes, as one in the over 65 category, I’m figuring maybe April/May by the time all the front lines workers and nursing home residents get theirs. Maybe longer, but I’m OK waiting. I saw a segment on “60 Minutes” a few weeks ago about the General who is in charge of organizing the distribution. The military will be very involved. Not only will they know what hospitals and clinics and drug stores have received the vaccine, they will know when each shot is given! I was quite impressed and it gave me confidence that it will be as organized as possible.


Transcript:
Inside the Operation Warp Speed effort to get Americans a COVID-19 vaccine
 
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  • #519
Discussion today re infections and infectious doses

 
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