Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #90

[imstilla.grandma]

Wow! She’s a brilliant leader
Almost in tears comparing


Yes, I have a memory of waiting in line at my elementary school gymnasium in small town Colorado, petrified at the gun type looking thingy ahead!
Why aren’t we doing similar in 2020/21?

I remember too. So many other little kids were crying. So we’re my little sisters. I just remember thinking we were at the biggest buildings I’d ever seen. I can’t even remember where we were. For some reason I remember it as the old Farmers Market area.

 

[Yesiamapirate]

Universal hits capacity 10 minutes after opening as crowds pack in

And then they will get on planes or in cars and head home. Adding to their own states totals, I assume.

 

[IceIce9]

Universal hits capacity 10 minutes after opening as crowds pack in

And then they will get on planes or in cars and head home. Adding to their own states totals, I assume.

And many will end up hospitals, increasing the workload and stress for already exhausted nurses and doctors.

 

[weepingangel]

Ugh. That’s amazing in a gross omg imo sort of way. Happy new year.

Universal hits capacity 10 minutes after opening as crowds pack in

And then they will get on planes or in cars and head home. Adding to their own states totals, I assume.

 

[ilovewings]

And many will end up hospitals, increasing the workload and stress for already exhausted nurses and doctors.

How in the world can this be explained? is it stupidity, ignorance, denial, defiance, or all of the above? I cannot understand it in any way. It is also reckless and these people are going to spread the virus. no doubt about it.

 

[Lilibet]

BBM

"Welcome to 2021 where hindsight is 2020. "

Thanks for my New Year motto!

Ha! I wish I could claim it’s original, but a friend posted it on Instagram and I just had to use it. It says it all!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Wow! She’s a brilliant leader
Almost in tears comparing


Yes, I have a memory of waiting in line at my elementary school gymnasium in small town Colorado, petrified at the gun type looking thingy ahead!
Why aren’t we doing similar in 2020/21?

My guess is that time and laws and perceptions (and no more guns) are different than back then.

As stated above, they say that 60-85% of folks need to be vaccinated for herd immunity. Yet 20% of the US is children and at this time no vaccine is allowed for children in the US.

@margarita25 posted yesterday that the WHO is now speaking aloud as to endemic in the future, which was spoken about here long ago, and now seems to be inevitable.

May the virus be less deadly in the future as eradication.. SMH... nope. As the consequences aren't seen by most as worth striving for MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

There is great uproar in Canada, specifically Alberta, right now over several elected officials being caught travelling to warm destinations over the holidays - while preaching the opposite. Just disgusting.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/jason-kenney-conference-1.5859278

St Bart’s. Hawaii. Vegas.
I could understand if it was going to a neighboring county to check on an elderly family member. But a vacation/resort?

I’d love a vacation right now. A week where I could pretend my life was free of anxiety and stress. A robot that delivered my meals and fruity cocktails while on the beach with a book and good music would be wonderful.
Ahhh....wishful thinking. Lol

 

[Lilibet]

How in the world can this be explained? is it stupidity, ignorance, denial, defiance, or all of the above? I cannot understand it in any way. It is also reckless and these people are going to spread the virus. no doubt about it.

BBM

It’s all of the above bolded qualities. It can’t be explained or understood by anyone who cares about their fellow man and is able to look past their own desires for the good of all for longer than a minute. We can’t comprehend their thought process (or lack of). No doubt some of these folks would perform amazing and dramatic acts of heroism to save someone’s life. But they can’t see that forgoing their personal “fun” to save many lives over time is just as heroic, if not more so. That requires ongoing unselfishness and delayed gratification. It’s hard to reach these people with logic because it’s all about their feeeeelings, which don’t include empathy and unselfishness.
JMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sincere question: Isn’t the Governor the one who is responsible for deciding (with advice from public health professionals) what can be open or closed? Perhaps I don’t understand your comment. If I have, disregard my comment.

My sincere opinion: Businesses that are affected may not like the governor’s decisions, for understandable reasons, and feel that choices are unfair, but abdication of responsibility by a governor would be cowardly, irresponsible and not in the best interests of the health and even lives of their constituents IMO. I’m very grateful that the Governor of Oregon has been doing her level best to keep the population safe while balancing economic considerations for small businesses, all the while facing angry armed demonstrations at the state capitol, open rebellion by certain legislators while in session, and recall petitions. At least goons have not plotted to kidnap and kill her...that I know of...yet. But despite her best efforts, lack of cooperation by too many citizens is fueling the spread of COVID-19.

My small town of 22,000 has two main employers upon whom smaller businesses depend for their livelihood. One, a nationally known repertory theatre company, has been closed since March and will not reopen in 2021. Longtime employees...friends of mine...have been laid off. About 350,000 visitors per year will not show up. Restaurants, hotels and other businesses dependent on visitors may not survive. The other employer is a small state university campus running at reduced capacity and staff. The taxes paid by all these businesses support city services. There was a $6 million dollar shortfall estimated in 2020. The economy and character of my town may not recover.

BUT...We are in a state of war against this pandemic and the death toll has been unnecessarily high already. During any war, businesses are rightly called upon to make sacrifices. Some may not survive. That is a heartbreaking tragedy. But no business can survive or rebuild if its owners and employees are dead or too sick to work. All citizens have to sacrifice to win this war. We sacrifice our personal desires like visits with family and friends, gathering with our congregations, eating in our favorite restaurants, travel, finances, attending school in person and on and on. Is the sacrifice worth it? I believe it is. I feel sorry for anyone who lives in a state or country whose leaders don’t believe these sacrifices are worth it. They are essentially saying their citizens’ lives aren’t worth it.
JMO MOO

Thanks for your "in the trenches" anaysis, Lillibit. Multiply your story times hundreds........ we really truly have no idea what we are still in for.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

BBM:


Hugs to you and so sorry to hear this, MsArk.

Your mention of a possible heart attack brings to mind the possibility of MIS-A, where heart involvement/ myocarditis is often prevalent, as is with MIS-C.

I have made a few posts on the subject, but here is some quick reference.

Delayed acute myocarditis and COVID‐19‐related multisystem inflammatory syndrome
26 October 2020

*note the patient in the above case study suffered myocarditis 4 weeks post covid infection, and was previously healthy, similar to your friend’s daughter.

“A healthy 40‐year‐old man suffered from typical COVID‐19 symptoms. Four weeks later, he was admitted...”

—

Eta:

Some additional notes from the MIS-C thread:

The Striking Similarities of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children and a Myocarditis-like Syndrome in Adults: Overlapping Manifestations of COVID-19

This is really such a "deadly" scenario. Myocarditis can be hard to track down and diagnose...it usually takes a set of different heart disease diagnostics, and symptoms can take a good while to appear. And treatment and recovery can be long and very expensive. With many people still trying to deny basic Covid symptoms... it will be even harder with potentially chronic and more devastating outcomes, like myocarditis. I really hope we do not see more and more of this one.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The more people who get it, the more mutations there will be (because it's a function of the sheer amount of virus).

So, we are headed down a path of more mutations - therefore some possibility of new forms of CV-19 that are more harmful (or less harmful - but we'll notice the more harmful form, for sure).

The "milder case" people may very learn a couple of things the hard way. Best not to get CV at all, but, well, yes, it's historic. People are actively rejecting the kinds of measures that kept people alive all through the 20th century - they are voting with their feet to reduce their own population.

I'm guessing that various agencies will offer the vaccines to poorer nations around the world - as it should be. And they will take it, because they understand through experience what a virus is.

(We in the US may get there eventually - after 5-10 years).

ha ha ha......... I am starting to better understand how many dystopia movies start off with something like "well, the citizens didn't hear the warnings".. or "the tribes around the world didn't think it would affect them" or "they just panned those pesky masks for too long"

 

[Trident]

How in the world can this be explained? is it stupidity, ignorance, denial, defiance, or all of the above? I cannot understand it in any way. It is also reckless and these people are going to spread the virus. no doubt about it.

I believe the silver lining is they can't spread the virus to those sheltering in their own homes, washing their hands, wearing masks and disinfecting their groceries.

Until all those who don't have a care for their fellow man succumb to the virus, we will see these horrendous events. IMO

 

[ilovewings]

I believe the silver lining is they can't spread the virus to those sheltering in their own homes, washing their hands, wearing masks and disinfecting their groceries.

Until all those who don't have a care for their fellow man succumb to the virus, we will see these horrendous events. IMO

Problem with these types, blase superspreaders of the virus, they just spread it, but many of them don't get symptoms, and if they do, the symptoms are mild. A lot of these types are young and believe they are invincible. Of course because they spread the virus to the vulnerable, they put a huge burden on our medical system, while they go blithley on their way.

 

[musicaljoke]

I believe the silver lining is they can't spread the virus to those sheltering in their own homes, washing their hands, wearing masks and disinfecting their groceries.

Until all those who don't have a care for their fellow man succumb to the virus, we will see these horrendous events. IMO

Except that they can spread the virus to those sheltering in their own homes. Some of these offenders will go back to a spouse who follows every guideline, or a child with a compromised immune system, or a live-in grandma.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

My guess is B117 is going to blow up in Florida, or more
likely, is already in high circulation there, as it may be in other places. But wrt Florida specifically, there has been minimal, or zero, mitigational measures there wrt bars and restaurants last I saw, and what seems to be a very high amount of younger people gathering at bars, in addition to other aspects, jmo.

I think the headlines for the next few days/weeks will consist of “UK variant found in this State, found in that State, more cases found in this State, more cases found in that State...”, jmo.

Florida had it's highest cases/per day yesterday...over 17,000. And all counties around me had their highest case days yesterday. My county has only had 66 deaths, but had 110 cases just yesterday, alone. I think I have mentioned that I hear the hospital helicopters going overhead every day...more and more.

The county where the one variant strain has been detected, is not one of the most heavily cased counties by far.

"After an unusual spike to a 22.81% positivity rate on Monday that the state attributed to
testing closures from the holidays, the state settled back to an 8.72% positivity rate in Tuesday’s
data and an 11.57% positivity rate on Wednesday."

Given that Florida is really exploding again, with no scheduled restaurant, bar anything closings and plenty of New Years partying........... I expect even greater numbers and higher positivity rates in the next two weeks.

Florida closes 2020 with highest one-day increase in COVID-19 cases

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have tried to find "who, where, and HOW" Florida IS tracking the new strains... I find commentary but no real answers. I want to know because this state is notorious for hiding information.

"We're the world leader in advanced genomics research [but] for the number of cases
that we have, the U.S. is something like 43rd in the world in sequencing genomes," said Dr. Teng""
(University of South Florida)

“It's not the lack of capability in the United States. It's the lack of a really well-defined program
has strong leadership, and an impetus to do this," he said.

This doctor indicates there is no strong efforts to track, and that it is going to be up to the American public to pressure to get it...
now ...isn't that a hoot. We have to stand up and stomp, for what should be normal research activity with a pesky little virus!!

USF scientist: The UK variant of the coronavirus is likely already in Florida

 

[CSIDreamer]

Wow! She’s a brilliant leader
Almost in tears comparing


Yes, I have a memory of waiting in line at my elementary school gymnasium in small town Colorado, petrified at the gun type looking thingy ahead!
Why aren’t we doing similar in 2020/21?

My county is preparing a mass vaccination site. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of counties are quietly doing the same. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Everyone could have done similar, if they had closed their international borders right away.
I get tired of hearing the "island with not much population" thing. It is discipline and quick action that allowed us this system. Stopping the travel, stopping people moving around, not giving the virus human hosts in which to travel and spread.
It hasn't been easy for any of us. We gave up a lot.

Especially, of course, as you are living on a continent and not an island.

Canada has also done really well, all things considered, and for similar reasons (and while Canada is very large and has more people than Australia, they are mostly in the south, therefore fairly high population density).

It was leadership, and the shared (undivided) commitment of the citizens to stopping disease that worked. For some reason, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders all understood what a virus is, how it is asymptomatic when it is most contagious and that the only way to stop it was through quarantine/border closings.

Canada has more deaths than AU or NZ, but has fewer than half the deaths of its southern neighbor (or UK).

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My county is preparing a mass vaccination site. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of counties are quietly doing the same. JMO

Yes, I think one of the reasons that the first things were done with congregate settings was that they could compile and work with the government and or the government places that were hired to do such.

I just hope that they Fiasco isn't done where everyone was free-for-all in Florida last week without appointments. That was ridiculous