Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #93

[SouthAussie]

Lack of quarantine facilities may be why Customs and Border Control doesn’t actually test anyone. They seem to just check for symptoms and temperature and if it seems like Covid they refer them to a clinic. They may or may not test positive at the Brownsville bus station, but by then they can’t be held and quarantined. So it seems that a total revamp is necessary, creating facilities for quarantine and giving tests right away by CBC. But the fact that illegal immigrants are allowed to disperse tells me that there aren’t adequate facilities to hold any of them. It’s not an easy fix IMO.

Well, it is an easy fix if each state steps up to the mark and provides a place for people to quarantine, and personnel to provide for them. Which is what our individual states have done.

For a long time there was no cost involved for the quarantined people. Now there is. But they can go on hardship payments if they cant pay. And I read recently that in Victoria (at least) no-one had been billed yet, and they have had thousands of quarantined people.
We have brought over 440,000 Aussies home so far - and quarantined them.

Some states get the brunt of it. Our state of NSW takes more incomers than anyone else. But they do it with grace. And we all appreciate it.

It takes a collective and consistent effort to keep the citizens safe.
Everything doesn't have to be as hard as the US seems to make it.

 

[Gibbo214]

Well, it is an easy fix if each state steps up to the mark and provides a place for people to quarantine, and personnel to provide for them. Which is what our individual states have done.

For a long time there was no cost involved for the quarantined people. Now there is. But they can go on hardship payments if they cant pay. And I read recently that in Victoria (at least) no-one had been billed yet, and they have had thousands of quarantined people.
We have brought over 440,000 Aussies home so far - and quarantined them.

Some states get the brunt of it. Our state of NSW takes more incomers than anyone else. But they do it with grace. And we all appreciate it.

It takes a collective and consistent effort to keep the citizens safe.
Everything doesn't have to be as hard as the US seems to make it.

Although the states are tearing up Gladdies invoices.

 

[GRT]

Well, it is an easy fix if each state steps up to the mark and provides a place for people to quarantine, and personnel to provide for them. Which is what our individual states have done.

For a long time there was no cost involved for the quarantined people. Now there is. But they can go on hardship payments if they cant pay. And I read recently that in Victoria (at least) no-one had been billed yet, and they have had thousands of quarantined people.
We have brought over 440,000 Aussies home - and quarantined them.

Some states get the brunt of it. Our state of NSW takes more incomers than anyone else. But they do it with grace. And we all appreciate it.

It takes a collective and consistent effort to keep the citizens safe.
Everything doesn't have to be as hard as the US seems to make it.

It's a bit of a bigger problem than many realize. We have an average of 4 to 6 million undocumented immigrants that come every year through Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. They often come through areas where people are poor and there are few resources.

We obviously need a better system, but the border states themselves can't afford to pay for all of it. What they typically do is process the immigrants and then release them, pending their court dates.

Unlike Aussies coming home, these are people who often have no identification, so they also have to try and figure out who they are. And, because many are not coming legally, they need to arrange for hearings.

It's a massive ongoing issue, but right now, it would be nice if they'd figure out some way to at least quarantine the ones who test positive. That seems doable to me, but I'm not down there to see for myself.

 

[Lilibet]

Well, it is an easy fix if each state steps up to the mark and provides a place for people to quarantine, and personnel to provide for them. Which is what our individual states have done.

For a long time there was no cost involved for the quarantined people. Now there is. But they can go on hardship payments if they cant pay. And I read recently that in Victoria (at least) no-one had been billed yet, and they have had thousands of quarantined people.
We have brought over 440,000 Aussies home so far - and quarantined them.

Some states get the brunt of it. Our state of NSW takes more incomers than anyone else. But they do it with grace. And we all appreciate it.

It takes a collective and consistent effort to keep the citizens safe.
Everything doesn't have to be as hard as the US seems to make it.

Since the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsibilities include the borders I’m not sure how much the individual states can actually do regarding quarantine, unfortunately. Everything is cumbersome here. Sigh.

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[SouthAussie]

Since the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) responsibilities include the borders I’m not sure how much the individual states can actually do regarding quarantine, unfortunately. Everything is cumbersome here. Sigh.

Operational and Support Components

I agree. Everything is so cumbersome there. Nobody agrees on anything, and nobody wants to pay more than any other state, and nobody wants to follow consistent nationwide covid-safe guidelines.
I sighed and gave up a long time ago.

I still like to point out every now and again how it can be done, with cooperation and selflessness. Just in case people don't realise that others absolutely are doing it. Tweaking things to make things work. Limiting the numbers of incomers so the system can handle things. The rest just have to wait where they are, until it is their turn.

 

[Lilibet]

I agree. Everything is so cumbersome there. Nobody agrees on anything, and nobody wants to pay more than any other state, and nobody wants to follow consistent nationwide covid-safe guidelines.
I sighed and gave up a long time ago.

I still like to point out every now and again how it can be done, with cooperation and selflessness. Just in case people don't realise that others absolutely are doing it. Tweaking things to make things work. Limiting the numbers of incomers so the system can handle things. The rest just have to wait where they are, until it is their turn.

True words. Unfortunately, cooperation and selflessness are MIA. So I’m not too optimistic about solutions.

 

[SouthAussie]

Although the states are tearing up Gladdies invoices.

It was turning into a logistical nightmare, as we all take incomers that are going to other states (after quarantine).
People get on any plane coming to Australia, no matter where it lands.
And they can only land in a city where there is quarantine space available.

"We took 100 of yours, and 11 of yours, and 9 of yours ..... "
"We took 39 of yours, and 6 of yours and 52 of yours ...... "
"We took 47 of yours, and 19 of yours, and 31 of yours ..... "

 

[Bravo]

We also have quarantine Hotels here in Canada. At a cost of 2 thousand plus. Folks just gotta travel ya know I have read several articles of complaints, cold food, slow service etc.

 

[SouthAussie]

We also have quarantine Hotels here in Canada. At a cost of 2 thousand plus. Folks just gotta travel ya know I have read several articles of complaints, cold food, slow service etc.

I really, really missed travel at first. I was so accustomed to doing it.
But then I got into travel within my own state, and exploring (again) all the beautiful places we have right here.

It is not so hard doing that throughout this pandemic.

 

[tabitha111]

Do face shields protect against COVID?

Excited to share our newly published research
showing that use of face shields by health care workers was associated with reduced COVID infections!

Association Between Universal Face Shield in a Quaternary Care Center and Reduction of SARS-COV2 Infections Among Healthcare Personnel and Hospitalized Patients - ScienceDirect


Highlights

•
SARS-COV2 transmission to healthcare personnel (HCP) and hospitalized patients is a significant challenge

•
We implemented universal face shield for all healthcare personnel upon entry to facility

•
Our study showed that universal face shield use was associated with marked reduction in infections among HCP and hospitalized patients


I wear a face shield when I go to any doctor's appointments and I wore one when I was vaccinated. Glad to see that it makes a difference.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I did a screenshot of 2 days ago from today's COVID tracking. Texas is big orange! Guess we'll have to just watch it happen along with Mississippi



US deaths March 4th 2,468

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[GRT]

I agree. Everything is so cumbersome there. Nobody agrees on anything, and nobody wants to pay more than any other state, and nobody wants to follow consistent nationwide covid-safe guidelines.
I sighed and gave up a long time ago.

I still like to point out every now and again how it can be done, with cooperation and selflessness. Just in case people don't realise that others absolutely are doing it. Tweaking things to make things work. Limiting the numbers of incomers so the system can handle things. The rest just have to wait where they are, until it is their turn.

That's exactly right. Nobody agrees here. Everyone thinks they know best and they're unwilling to listen to others. It's like pulling teeth to get anything done.

I think everyone is so convinced their own way is the best way, they don't even consider other solutions.

I admit it can be frustrating. And, during Covid, it can be dangerous.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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[dixiegirl1035]

RSBM

Think of others

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Ummmmm, yes. The very point many are trying to make. ALL others.

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[nhmemorymaker]

This article discusses how incredibly complicated the whole situation at the border is and explains how Covid is one of many factors. So to say that Biden is “refusing” to keep Covid positive illegal immigrants from coming into the country is not exactly accurate. It appears to be more a case of dealing with a lot of moving parts that can’t all be fixed at once because of a domino effect that could end up causing more problems. So hardly “idiotic.” More like rational and carefully considered. Whereas a blanket “opening it all up” by Abbott with no consideration for the effects it will have, not only in TX but nationwide, is the easy way out and truly is idiotic.

I will say that the percentage of illegal immigrants who have tested positive (referencing this article) is far less than the percentage of positive cases we have inflicted on ourselves by refusing to comply with reasonable restrictions. So again IMO the outrage over illegal immigrants carrying Covid around the country is really just outrage over illegal immigrants that is dressed up in a new disguise. JMO

Feb 4, 2021
U.S. releasing hundreds of Central American families from increasingly busy custody

I really do agree with you. Seems as if Fox News had the first scathing discussion (obviously). Further articles certainly better explained the massive difficulties going on with border issues.

The way I look at it......

Administration WILL get the Covid issues fixed with the border, but border control has been trained to work with "criminality" for the past four years, so much to undo.

Abbott's decision for Texas was to rake in Spring Break profits, and we know what happens when all Spring Breakers go home.... (just like Sturgess, we won't be able to track at all).


So Texas WILL NOT get the Covid issue fixed...............
unless our favorite cartoon ****A Miracle Occurs Here***** comes into play.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I dunno, Lilibet. I sense there is a lot more to this story.

Just a few weeks ago they were sending little children back to Honduras, against orders.

Now they are letting in covid positive people (and telling media about it).

I think there is an issue with the Border Forces. They seem to be acting blatantly obstructive and senseless, to me.
And, of course, it will all be being blamed on the chief executive who is trying his hardest to get covid under control in the US.

Yeah, definitely think you are right on this.... there is more to the story. It just hit yesterday, and led by Fox so much yet to hear, I think.

Every where we turn, it appears as if we have to undo so many ways things were done over the past 5 years....

Anyway, I am sure we will be hearing a lot on this!!

 

[Trident]

Yeah, definitely think you are right on this.... there is more to the story. It just hit yesterday, and led by Fox so much yet to hear, I think.

Every where we turn, it appears as if we have to undo so many ways things were done over the past 5 years....

Anyway, I am sure we will be hearing a lot on this!!

I'm sure we will as the masses at the border get into this country, one way or another, possibly spreading covid wherever they run to.

 

[weepingangel]

I started wearing googles at work early this fall as our numbers starting creeping back up -a face shield was just too much -in the way- for my work routine. And eye protection was never suggested /recommended for most of us in the building. A coworker got infected when they were accidentally hit in the (masked) face with a dirty ppe gown.
https://www.amazon.com/Pyramex-Safe...-Fog/dp/B01EIG2HXY?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1
Probably the best 5 dollars I’ve spent in 2020.

and according to comments made by coworkers they make me look like a badazz motorcycle mama or a superhero

Do face shields protect against COVID?

Excited to share our newly published research
showing that use of face shields by health care workers was associated with reduced COVID infections!

Association Between Universal Face Shield in a Quaternary Care Center and Reduction of SARS-COV2 Infections Among Healthcare Personnel and Hospitalized Patients - ScienceDirect


Highlights

•
SARS-COV2 transmission to healthcare personnel (HCP) and hospitalized patients is a significant challenge

•
We implemented universal face shield for all healthcare personnel upon entry to facility

•
Our study showed that universal face shield use was associated with marked reduction in infections among HCP and hospitalized patients


I wear a face shield when I go to any doctor's appointments and I wore one when I was vaccinated. Glad to see that it makes a difference.

 

[Cool Cats]

‘The whole plane was just going crazy’: Watch family get kicked off flight over masks

Wed, March 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

Another day, another mask confrontation.

Orthodox Jewish Public Affairs Council

Disturbing incident the last hour on a
@FlyFrontier
flight as staff told a Hasidic couple to get off because their 18 month old had no mask. Applause is heard as the couple started leaving. Travels say on camera that the applause came from staff who also cheered that “we did it.”

An Orthodox Jewish person spoke up in defense of the Hasidic couple. Then the whole family siblings and in-laws started leaving the plane at which point the @FlyFrontier ordered everyone off of the airplane

https://mobile.twitter.com/OJPAC/status/1366205585641910273?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1366208565854281730|twgr^|twcon^s2_&ref_url=https://news.yahoo.com/hasidic-family-kicked-off-frontier-171301963.html

 

[coffeeandacig]

I understand what you mean, but I don't think the grocery store analogy really fits: everyone at a modern grocery knows they'll get home with their food if they're just a little patient.

I would think of other scenarios, such as perhaps a overcrowded nightclub where someone shouts 'fire!'. Or when an armored car door accidentally blows open and money starts flying all over the highway. Or, when people see an opportunity to jump ahead of the line to get a vaccine, Then, human beings are not so interested in patiently waiting their turn, in an orderly manner.

Yes, I agree. Your analogies have dire consequences for others, unlike my grocery store analogy. Yelling "fire" in a crowded nightclub, must make American citizens the pile of bodies at the nearest exit.