Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #97

[anneg]

Thank you @anneg
Apologies for my late reply
I have been absent for quite a few days because although last weekend I was covid free and ravenous, by Monday (26th) I was totally out of it, I couldn’t put sentences together and speaking and texting was exhausting and I have just slept, all day and all night, waking only when my children have brought me food or drink . I think they think that I am just being lazy now but I have literally been unable to get my head off the pillow. When I do stand up and walk around, I’m shaking with exhaustion and I haven’t washed my hair for over a week which is so unlike me. My son upset me the other day ( he’s 14 and doesn’t understand) because I asked if he could ask Dad to warm me up some soup and Dad said to tell me to get out of bed and get it myself! When I said to my son why I was asking him rather than do it myself, he just shrugged his shoulders and said well dads been getting you cold glasses of water and bringing you little bits to eat every day and he’s fed up of it now when you can get it yourself! And I cried and cried, probably feeling sorry for myself because I just thought of Everything I do in our home and now I can’t , it’s as though I’m just being lazy and should just crack on with it now covid is negative. But I can’t, I just feel so tired and poorly. I can’t walk to the top of the driveway without being breathless!
So I’ve been fed sad and unsupported. Then I started to question- am I just being lazy ? Should I be up and doing now ? But I just can’t.
Anyway, we have a cottage booked in the Lake District for 7 days from tomorrow so o have said that I will go to but please don’t expect me to do anything other than stay in the cottage and cook and play games etc but I won’t be going out hiking and biking and horse riding, I need to relax and get well . So fingers crossed it works out that way.
I’m day 17 currently since Covid belted me and I am wondering if it’s normal to feel how I do and to still be stuck in bed just sleeping, ?
My mother always said that if your body is sleeping then you need it so go with it! But it’s almost a week since covid left me and I’m still feeling yuk ! Help ! Advice greatly appreciated or even personal experience….

I'm so sorry that you aren't getting the support at home you need. I have no personal experience to offer, but I guess I'd suggest something simple: try washing your hair and see if that makes you feel a bit better. Otherwise, just keep on taking care of yourself, IMO. And I hope you are able to enjoy the trip to the Lake District. I was there one summer years ago and loved it! A very beautiful area.

 

[weepingangel]

Ohwow that sounds so awful
I truly hope you feel better soon
Do take care and rest as you need.

Close relative of mine felt bad for months. And less so but still significant months after that. but that’s only one of the way it happens.
I know lots of people that have been sick. Most of whom I don’t know the specific details. Everything from felt fine to sick sick for a while with and without long covid.

Ooo isn’t there a thread with posters advice ? I’ll look

do enjoy your vacation as a time to rest

Thank you @anneg
Apologies for my late reply
I have been absent for quite a few days because although last weekend I was covid free and ravenous, by Monday (26th) I was totally out of it, I couldn’t put sentences together and speaking and texting was exhausting and I have just slept, all day and all night, waking only when my children have brought me food or drink . I think they think that I am just being lazy now but I have literally been unable to get my head off the pillow. When I do stand up and walk around, I’m shaking with exhaustion and I haven’t washed my hair for over a week which is so unlike me. My son upset me the other day ( he’s 14 and doesn’t understand) because I asked if he could ask Dad to warm me up some soup and Dad said to tell me to get out of bed and get it myself! When I said to my son why I was asking him rather than do it myself, he just shrugged his shoulders and said well dads been getting you cold glasses of water and bringing you little bits to eat every day and he’s fed up of it now when you can get it yourself! And I cried and cried, probably feeling sorry for myself because I just thought of Everything I do in our home and now I can’t , it’s as though I’m just being lazy and should just crack on with it now covid is negative. But I can’t, I just feel so tired and poorly. I can’t walk to the top of the driveway without being breathless!
So I’ve been fed sad and unsupported. Then I started to question- am I just being lazy ? Should I be up and doing now ? But I just can’t.
Anyway, we have a cottage booked in the Lake District for 7 days from tomorrow so o have said that I will go to but please don’t expect me to do anything other than stay in the cottage and cook and play games etc but I won’t be going out hiking and biking and horse riding, I need to relax and get well . So fingers crossed it works out that way.
I’m day 17 currently since Covid belted me and I am wondering if it’s normal to feel how I do and to still be stuck in bed just sleeping, ?
My mother always said that if your body is sleeping then you need it so go with it! But it’s almost a week since covid left me and I’m still feeling yuk ! Help ! Advice greatly appreciated or even personal experience….

 

[SoCalDavidS]

We're literally living a Reality Show, and nobody knows what's going to happen next.

Don't get me wrong, I love me a good Reality TV Show. The drama, the mind games, the manipulation and plot twists thrown in by the producers.

But I'd much rather have a bland, predictable, unsurprising, network series. You know, the one where people are still getting vaccinated at a fast clip, and we feel more comfortable when leaving the house. Able to plan vacations, confidently buy tickets to events, and get back to normal.

92,000+ New Cases, 391 Deaths today per Worldometers.

United States COVID: 35,584,192 Cases and 628,487 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[beatrixpotter]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

"The war has changed- internal CDC documents now urges newer messaging warning that Delta is likely more severe". Not only that Delta is considered as transmissible as a cold.

Reading this put me into a state of depression. It is clear that being vaccinated is no guarantee against serious infection and possibly death. It is such a bummer I truly cannot believe this is happening. When I got the vaccine I really felt protected- I knew it was not 100%- not only is it not 100%, but vaccinated people can transmit a viral load as large as though they were not vaccinated. Read this and weep! This variant is the work of the devil!

""The CDC’s revised mask guidance stops short of what the internal document calls for. “Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant,” it states.""

"Kathleen Neuzil, a vaccine expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, said getting more people vaccinated remains the priority, but the public may also have to change its relationship to a virus almost certain to be with humanity for the foreseeable future.

“We really need to shift toward a goal of preventing serious disease and disability and medical consequences, and not worry about every virus detected in somebody’s nose,” Neuzil said. “It’s hard to do, but I think we have to become comfortable with coronavirus not going away.”"

Brutal. Just brutal. Since we know what it does the medical system is going to have to expand to be able to cope with this. You can't do that while governments everywhere are still opting to play covid whack a mole or just pretend there is no problem.

And then in other places nothing will be done to really address it since the people have nothing anyway. Anyone see Dr Campbell's interview with the doctor in Africa? He's lucky he's got a BP cuff to help detect hypertension. But the people he sees can't afford actual medical treatment on their average $1 a day income. And Americans bicker and fight over being tricked or trapped into receiving medical care to protect themselves for fear of effing nanobots.

 

[musicaljoke]

That’s right it is
Sorry to be so graphic but I sneezed without a large tissue and didn’t catch all the mucus and it went onto my fingers and it was so thick and clear /silvery grey looking and I couldn’t get it off my hands because it was literally making web patterns with the way in which it was stretching! Sorry if that’s TMI

Ugh, your poor lungs. I hope you are able to get some rest and that the healing will continue.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you @anneg
Apologies for my late reply
I have been absent for quite a few days because although last weekend I was covid free and ravenous, by Monday (26th) I was totally out of it, I couldn’t put sentences together and speaking and texting was exhausting and I have just slept, all day and all night, waking only when my children have brought me food or drink . I think they think that I am just being lazy now but I have literally been unable to get my head off the pillow. When I do stand up and walk around, I’m shaking with exhaustion and I haven’t washed my hair for over a week which is so unlike me. My son upset me the other day ( he’s 14 and doesn’t understand) because I asked if he could ask Dad to warm me up some soup and Dad said to tell me to get out of bed and get it myself! When I said to my son why I was asking him rather than do it myself, he just shrugged his shoulders and said well dads been getting you cold glasses of water and bringing you little bits to eat every day and he’s fed up of it now when you can get it yourself! And I cried and cried, probably feeling sorry for myself because I just thought of Everything I do in our home and now I can’t , it’s as though I’m just being lazy and should just crack on with it now covid is negative. But I can’t, I just feel so tired and poorly. I can’t walk to the top of the driveway without being breathless!
So I’ve been fed sad and unsupported. Then I started to question- am I just being lazy ? Should I be up and doing now ? But I just can’t.
Anyway, we have a cottage booked in the Lake District for 7 days from tomorrow so o have said that I will go to but please don’t expect me to do anything other than stay in the cottage and cook and play games etc but I won’t be going out hiking and biking and horse riding, I need to relax and get well . So fingers crossed it works out that way.
I’m day 17 currently since Covid belted me and I am wondering if it’s normal to feel how I do and to still be stuck in bed just sleeping, ?
My mother always said that if your body is sleeping then you need it so go with it! But it’s almost a week since covid left me and I’m still feeling yuk ! Help ! Advice greatly appreciated or even personal experience….

I think your son is just very afraid. He wants to believe you are fine but are just lagging on purpose. He doesn't want to believe you are weak or still sick because that is too frightening.

As for your hubby, can't say what his problem is.

 

[Satchie]

I'm talking about what's realistic and likely based on the actual science we have. Public officials have consistently said what they feel needs to be said not what's likely true. It's so far been overly optimistic.

My point was the science as given doesn't add up and is inconsistent with the predictions. And based on what we know and what's been predicted I am personally very pessimistic at any sort of true herd immunity any time soon if at all. The scientists I can find who are a little more forthright regarding the fact that they don't know everything for sure indicate that herd immunity is something that's more likely to take a decade or more based on the only other times we've accomplished it or come close.

The piece meal doling out of info at the start of the pandemic was one thing. Personally I'm sick of it right now. And I don't care what the nanobot people think. They are going to freak out over everything. There is literally nothing done that they don't deliberately twist. I'd like some more accurate discussions though about what scenarios we might be looking at instead of the most optimistic one possible that's carefully stated in such a way as to get people to cooperate and not panic.

That probably won't happen though. This is just my venting on one small forum about this. I'm well aware that pretty much no one else wants to really hear this info. But we know for a fact the CDC has been consistently doling out info based on what was expedient and not necessarily accurate from the beginning. I'll still use the CDC to bolster an argument with someone else who relies on totally crazy news sources. BUT it's definitely tempered for me that it's never been in keeping with what we really knew was going on from the fact that covid was airborne, that we needed masks, all the way to anyone reading online knew the delta variant was here and going to spread but instead they went with trying to entice people with the reward of no masks if they'd just get vaccinated.

I think I understand your point, but to me the thing is, the scientific predictions cannot predict an unpredictable virus, and unpredictable human behaviour.

I've periodically checked in with IMHE models, which forecast a few months ahead, but they definitely change drastically as new trends appear. The model is based only on the current known facts about infectiousness, how much social distancing, how much mask wearing etc. For over a year it has predicted infections could go almost to zero if masks were universally worn. IHME | COVID-19 Projections

 

[Angleterre]

I think your son is just very afraid. He wants to believe you are fine but are just lagging on purpose. He doesn't want to believe you are weak or still sick because that is too frightening.

As for your hubby, can't say what his problem is.

Thank you @katydid23
I haven’t thought about it like that and maybe you are right . I would prefer to think that this is the case anyway. My husband is my ex but we live together as a family because he has his own apartment at the side of the house so I think he was worried and the minute I tested negative it was relief and back over to you now , until he realised it wasn’t back over to me . He’s probably sympathy weary x

 

[margarita25]

Dbm

 

[mickey2942]

@Angleterre I am so sorry. Geez, tell them to go away without you. You need rest, not a week of cooking for folks.

You could order in food, watch Netflix all day. Read books. I vote stay home alone and rest.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

CNN & MSNBC are reporting that Delta is AS transmittable from Vaccinated people as from Non-Vaccinated. Still far less harmful to Vaccinated.

It is transmittable at the same level as chickenpox.

CDC document warns Delta variant appears to spread as easily as chicken pox and cause more severe infection - CNNPolitics

 

[Midgie2]

Hi all!
Haven’t visited here in awhile, hope everyone is getting through this as best they can.
I don’t watch or read the news regularly anymore (just adds anxiety), but have learned that Covid is on the rise now.
I have an outpatient surgery scheduled (lower back) on August 13 - yes, Friday the 13th, LOL, and questioning if I should still have it. I have jumped through so many hoops (pre op tests and dr. visits), i may never get approved by insurance again for this surgery. I’ve had my two vaccines in April/May.
Do you think it’s safe to have outpatient surgery?

 

[SouthAussie]

CNN & MSNBC are reporting that Delta is AS transmittable from Vaccinated people as from Non-Vaccinated. Still far less harmful to Vaccinated.

It is transmittable at the same level as chickenpox.

CDC document warns Delta variant appears to spread as easily as chicken pox and cause more severe infection - CNNPolitics

A little more on the evidence of this ....

"Data from a July 4 outbreak on Cape Cod, in Massachusetts ...... In that outbreak, vaccinated and unvaccinated people had nearly the same amount of virus recovered from test samples, indicating that vaccinated people are just as contagious as unvaccinated people when it comes to the delta variant."

".... the CDC estimates that 35,000 fully vaccinated Americans – out of more than 162 million — may get infected with the coronavirus every week."

The CDC Says The Delta Variant Has Changed The War Against COVID-19

 

[katydid23]

This article made me feel much better about the surge.

Your Vaccinated Immune System Is Ready for Breakthroughs


Your Vaccinated Immune System Is Ready for Breakthroughs
Getting COVID-19 when you’re vaccinated isn’t the same as getting COVID-19 when you’re unvaccinated.

 

[katydid23]

Hi all!
Haven’t visited here in awhile, hope everyone is getting through this as best they can.
I don’t watch or read the news regularly anymore (just adds anxiety), but have learned that Covid is on the rise now.
I have an outpatient surgery scheduled (lower back) on August 13 - yes, Friday the 13th, LOL, and questioning if I should still have it. I have jumped through so many hoops (pre op tests and dr. visits), i may never get approved by insurance again for this surgery. I’ve had my two vaccines in April/May.
Do you think it’s safe to have outpatient surgery?

Are you going to a reputable clinic/hospital? It should be safe if they are using proper protocols. Have you googled the clinic to see if they have complaints?

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I have an outpatient surgery scheduled (lower back) on August 13 - yes, Friday the 13th, LOL, and questioning if I should still have it. I have jumped through so many hoops (pre op tests and dr. visits), i may never get approved by insurance again for this surgery. I’ve had my two vaccines in April/May.
Do you think it’s safe to have outpatient surgery?

You're fully vaccinated only a couple of months ago. I'm sure wherever you're going, there are protocols, and hopefully unlikely you'll be in close contact with a covid positive case. You may even be safer there than out in public, where no precautions are in place. It also depends upon where you live, and how widespread the virus is there.

Finally, it's 2 weeks away, and that's a lifetime in the Covid world. I expect things to be exponentially worse in 14 days from now.

Bottom line is, if you need this surgery, and are worried about approval again, then by all means, get it over with. It may be November before this wave is over.

 

[weepingangel]

CDC document warns Delta variant appears to spread as easily as chicken pox and cause more severe infection - CNNPolitics
More at link (unfortunately )
The CDC presentation says the Delta variant is about as transmissible as chickenpox, with each infected person, on average, infecting eight or nine others. The original lineage was about as transmissible as the common cold, with each infected person passing the virus to about two other people on average.


The White House seems to be playing catch-up on coronavirus messaging

 

[SouthAussie]

A Springfield, Missouri, hospital announced Tuesday that it expanded its morgue capacity amid an increase in COVID-19 deaths, while the Kansas City mayor announced he would reinstate a mask mandate for indoor spaces.

Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas tweeted on Tuesday evening that he would provide details Wednesday morning on his plans to return Kansas City to a mask mandate based upon national and regional health guidance and discussion with other city leaders.

“We cannot ignore the rapid spread of the COVID-19 Delta variant in Missouri—outpacing much of the country,” Lucas said. “We will do all we can to ensure our corner of this state is safe.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...rks-to-boost-vaccinations-as-covid-19-worsens

 

[SouthAussie]

The death toll from a fire that tore through a coronavirus ward at a hospital in southern Iraq has risen to 92, health officials have said, as grieving relatives slammed the government over the second such disaster within three months.

An investigation showed the fire began when sparks from faulty wiring spread to an oxygen tank that then exploded, police and civil defence authorities said.

Anger mounts after 92 die in ‘catastrophic’ hospital fire in Iraq

 

[SouthAussie]

Countries across the globe say they've been let down by broken promises and stalled deliveries of Russia's Sputnik V Covid vaccine.

• One of the countries hit hardest by late deliveries is Iran. Tehran ordered 60 million doses, only a fraction of which have arrived.

• Guatemala was one of the first countries to complain that deliveries were not being fulfilled.

• Authorities in Honduras say they were working on a contingency plan following delays

• Bolivian media say the country had only received 745,000 doses of a promised 5.2 million

• Mexican media reports, the country has so far received only 4.1 million of 24 million doses

• Argentina was still waiting for 5.5 million first doses and 13.1 million second doses of Sputnik V

• Only 20,000 of Ghana's 3.4 million doses delivered

• African Union's (AU) vaccine task team said Russia had offered it 300 million doses .... However, in early July, few doses were reported to have arrived

Covid: Stalled Russian vaccines cause global anger