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so very sad.... They have only 7% vaccinated, and have only received the Chinese vaccine. If the Chinese vaccine is so very questionable in regards to effectiveness, what is going on in China???

What is going on in China is that they - like us Aussies - are having outbreaks, lockdowns, and mass testing. Trying their best to limit the Delta damage.

Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media

China hopes it can snuff out a Delta-fuelled coronavirus outbreak with mass testing, longer quarantine and surveillance


We have had another capital city, Brisbane in Qld, go into lockdown a couple of days ago. That is four of our capital cities that have had to lockdown in the past month.
 
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What is going on in China is that they - like us Aussies - are having outbreaks, lockdowns, and mass testing. Trying their best to limit the Delta damage.

Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media

China hopes it can snuff out a Delta-fuelled coronavirus outbreak with mass testing, longer quarantine and surveillance


We have had another capital city, Brisbane in Qld, go into lockdown a couple of days ago. That is four of our capital cities that have had to lockdown in the past month.
I am amazed that China managed to keep their cases so low.
 
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I am amazed that China managed to keep their cases so low.

I'm not. They have a very strict regime. If they are told to stay home, they stay home. If they are told to wear a mask, they wear a mask. If they are told they are getting tested, they comply. No arguments or rebellion.

What I am surprised about is that Delta has found its way into China. They have such strict protocols, as we do.

But we have found that our outbreaks are quarantine related. So I can see theirs probably being quarantine related also.

Our last outbreak (in Brisbane, Qld) is from a 14-day quarantined traveller who became positive after leaving quarantine - and then passed the virus to a student they were tutoring. This darn Delta virus is breaking all the quarantine rules of a 14-day-with-multiple-testing safety period.
 
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I am wondering when, health insurance companies are going to stop paying the huge medical bills for those who caught Covid after refusing to get a vaccine?
I see that, on the horizon.
I don’t see that happening without the vaccine having FDA approval . Then I still don’t see it. Moo
 
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Florida woman urges people to get vaccinated after losing her dad and brother to Covid-19 the same week - CNN

'Do it for the people you care about': Florida woman urges people to get vaccinated after losing her dad and brother to Covid-19 the same week

Payten McCall, 24, and her family were afraid to get vaccinated, but now she's urging people not to make that mistake after losing her oldest brother and her dad to Covid-19.

Her dad, Mark McCall, 60, died early Friday morning in the Covid ward of a Jacksonville, Florida, hospital where her mom, Sherry McCall, 58, was also being treated for the virus.

The family was already reeling after her brother, Britt McCall, 35, died on Monday.



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The family was scared to get the vaccine, McCall said, because they have health conditions and didn't know how their bodies would react to the shots.
"We weren't trying to convince anyone not to get it," she said. "We didn't care what choices people made, but unfortunately we made the wrong one."



Scared, perhaps, but I really doubt it. Britt McCall was the fiance of the woman (Tiffany Devereaux) who lost Britt, her mother, and her grandmother to Covid, in 5 days.

Because they are in my county.... I looked at their facebook pages. Tiffany posted a dreadfully painful post about her losses.

BUT I also looked at Britt's FB page.. so many Tucker Carlson screenshots.....

I really do think these media celebrities should be held accountable for their influence.
 
  • #526
What is going on in China is that they - like us Aussies - are having outbreaks, lockdowns, and mass testing. Trying their best to limit the Delta damage.

Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media

China hopes it can snuff out a Delta-fuelled coronavirus outbreak with mass testing, longer quarantine and surveillance


We have had another capital city, Brisbane in Qld, go into lockdown a couple of days ago. That is four of our capital cities that have had to lockdown in the past month.

Thanks for this.... do you know if they have ONLY used their own produced vaccine?
 
  • #527
Thanks for this.... do you know if they have ONLY used their own produced vaccine?

No, I don't know - but I would imagine they are only using their own vaccines. Their vaccine production rate is really high.

Reuters thinks they must have vaccinated about 59.1% of their population.
The efficacy was stated as 51% after one dose, and 79% after two doses - efficacy rated on previous strains, not Delta.

Mainland China: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps
China is vaccinating a staggering 20 million people a day
 
  • #528
Scared, perhaps, but I really doubt it. Britt McCall was the fiance of the woman (Tiffany Devereaux) who lost Britt, her mother, and her grandmother to Covid, in 5 days.

Because they are in my county.... I looked at their facebook pages. Tiffany posted a dreadfully painful post about her losses.

BUT I also looked at Britt's FB page.. so many Tucker Carlson screenshots.....

I really do think these media celebrities should be held accountable for their influence.

Oh, now that you mention it, I remember reading about Tiffany Devereaux. But I hadn't made the connection between her and the McCall family.
 
  • #529
I had a bit of dejavu when I read that article earlier today. And then saw the connection to the
other story (Tiffany’s)I had recently posted. :(

Scared, perhaps, but I really doubt it. Britt McCall was the fiance of the woman (Tiffany Devereaux) who lost Britt, her mother, and her grandmother to Covid, in 5 days.

Because they are in my county.... I looked at their facebook pages. Tiffany posted a dreadfully painful post about her losses.

BUT I also looked at Britt's FB page.. so many Tucker Carlson screenshots.....

I really do think these media celebrities should be held accountable for their influence.
 
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Very long article here that disappeared behind a paywall before I could get into it :confused:
The U.K.’s Delta Surge Is Collapsing. Will Ours?

That's very good article. I was able to read the whole thing. Toward the end, there's an interesting discussion of delivering vaccine via nasal spray (now I'm thinking I might rather have a nasal spray vaccine instead of a booster shot this fall):

"Buried in the CDC presentation was one additional striking fact: that the Delta variant was so much more transmissible, in part, because of how quickly and prolifically it reproduces and takes root within the nose. What is most remarkable about that is that we have a suite of tools that might help precisely combat that problem, though we aren’t using them: intranasal vaccinations, which are delivered not by jabbing a needle into the muscle of your shoulder but by spraying a mist up your nostril.

This isn’t just a matter of Delta. Back in March, before India’s Delta surge had even begun, Scientific American published a sort of intranasal call to arms, by Eric Topol and Daniel P. Oran, under the headline “To Beat COVID, We May Need a Good Shot in the Nose.” As they wrote then, the current class of vaccines being rolled out, all delivered via intramuscular injection, were proving almost miraculously effective at preventing serious disease, hospitalization, and death. “But several coronavirus variants have emerged that could at least partly evade the immune response induced by the vaccines,” they wrote. “These variants should serve as a warning against complacency — and encourage us to explore a different type of vaccination, delivered as a spray in the nose.”

Today, the article reads almost like a Delta prophecy. “Although injected vaccines do reduce symptomatic COVID cases, and prevent a lot of severe illness, they may still allow for asymptomatic infection,” they wrote. “The reason is that the coronavirus can temporarily take up residence in the mucosa — the moist, mucus-secreting surfaces of the nose and throat that serve as our first line of defense against inhaled viruses.” An intranasal vaccine, they suggested, was the solution: “With a quick spritz up the nose, intranasal vaccines are designed to bolster immune defenses in the mucosa, triggering production of an antibody known as immunoglobulin A, which can block infection. This overwhelming response, called sterilizing immunity, reduces the chance that people will pass on the virus.”
 
  • #533
It's not going to be a nasal spray vaccine this fall. Nothing has been submitted for approval in a nasal spray form. I haven't seen anything reported about successful clinical trails of nasal spray vaccines. It seems to be wishful thinking, wouldn't it be nice if we had a nasal spray vaccine?
 
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Yeah, well, we just went for the scheduled appointment, and they forgot to take the vaccine out of the freezer!!! So, we have to go back in an hour and a half. She had to call work, tell her supervisor she couldn't be there to open at 12, due to the issue with the Covid shot...and got in trouble. She was told to go to work. I said, "No.". And...told her to tell her boss she was quitting due to inflexibility to get her Covid Vaccine.

Yes, for "some reason", the supervisor backed down in a heartbeat. This is actually my daughter, and honestly, screw the job. There are plenty jobs. Places can't even open due to lack of employees. And I have never, ever been that way about work. I have prided myself to have raised responsible children, with an excellent work ethic. But, this? Can't get time off for a Covid shot? It was hard enough to schedule it for when she would not be at work. And due to no fault of her own, she was told to come back.

My daughter is getting that vaccine today. And her supervisor can deal with it. Or my daughter will give a two week notice today.

Three cheers for you! It is fantastic to hear about a parent modeling to their child that work/job is NOT the be-all and end-all, and that it is good and necessary to stand up for your own well-being even if an employer insists you do otherwise. The college students I teach largely have the attitude that they MUST do whatever their boss or supervisor tells them to do, even if they are making unreasonable demands like your daughter’s supervisor. Part of that comes from fear of losing their job, of course, but I think another part of this attitude stems from their fear of getting a negative response from their parents if they lose their job for such a reason. Nice to hear that you demonstrated to your daughter that you’d support her if that turned out to be the outcome of her absence from work today.
 
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It's not going to be a nasal spray vaccine this fall. Nothing has been submitted for approval in a nasal spray form. I haven't seen anything reported about successful clinical trails of nasal spray vaccines. It seems to be wishful thinking, wouldn't it be nice if we had a nasal spray vaccine?

Darn it. Here's more of the article re nasal spray (BBM):

A “Perspective” published last week in Science, by Frances Lund and Troy Randall, contemplates the same themes from a post-Delta vantage. “Given the respiratory tropism of the virus,” they write, “it seems surprising that only seven of the nearly 100 SARS-CoV-2 vaccines currently in clinical trials are delivered intranasally.” After walking through the scientific weeds of intranasal vaccination, they conclude, that, for best results, a shot should be followed by a spray.

Perhaps we don’t have time to roll out spray boosters in time to beat back Delta — one hopes the surge will have definitively crashed by the time any of those seven intranasal vaccines finish their clinical trials. But while we in the wealthy West may have missed the opportunity to use them, at least for this surge, there are almost inevitable booster cycles to come — and, of course, billions still in the developing world expecting now to wait until 2023 for their vaccines. The spray offers advantage there, too: It’s painless, can be done without expert training, and can be sent through the mail and stored without the refrigeration requirements that have proven such a burden to vaccine distribution thus far. That all sounds very promising, raising the same unfortunate question that could be asked of global vaccine rollout generally: What are we waiting for?

The U.K.’s Delta Surge Is Collapsing. Will Ours?
 
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Sydney couple who contracted COVID-19 warn others to take the virus seriously after both were hospitalised

The following day Ms Green awoke, struggling to breathe.

She spent the next eight nights in St George Hospital, where she updated friends and family on her condition via social media.

"They tried to get me up walking and I lasted 40 seconds before I collapsed on the bed — this is insane," she wrote on July 23.

Three days later she posted: "This virus is hell.

"It separates people from loved ones, rips your health apart and challenges you mentally.

"Seriously stay at home so we can all see an end in sight."
 
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Discounts from Uber and Deliveroo will lure young people in UK to get Covid jab

Cheap taxi rides and discounts from the biggest takeaway companies are to be deployed by the government in a desperate effort to boost Covid vaccination rates among the young, amid growing legal and political pressure on Boris Johnson over the use of vaccine passports.


My thoughts are that these days you have to bribe people to do the right thing. It's really sad :(
 
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