Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #98

[CoverMeCagney]

How can anyone forget?! And this here is why I’m glad I didn’t get the vaccine

You got one, so you can hardly claim bragging rights for being unvaccinated

 

[Lilibet]

Companies that provide home health/home hospice care are already struggling with staffing. Imagine going with your last choice company to provide care at home for a loved one. An aide that should come every 3-4 days, might come every 7-8 days. Nurses that cover a three county area. Listening to some one standing in your home downplay or scoff .....“I had Covid, it’s not that bad” or “It’s in God’s hands”.
JMO

I understand that the state of Oregon now requires all home care workers paid by Medicaid to be vaccinated. The woman who helps my friend one day each week with her shower, laundry, cleaning and shopping is quitting, rather than comply. She has always refused to wear a mask except when up close helping my friend shower and dress. It’s been a huge concern. So now, my 82 year old very passive friend is faced with the daunting task of dealing with a state-paid agency to get a new helper, assuming there are any available. If not, I know our congregation will divvy up the tasks for free, but that just adds to the load already lovingly carried by those able to help and will require some labor-intensive organization to maintain that level of care. But what about those who don’t have such a support system to pick up the slack caused by home care workers refusing to get vaxxed?

 

[jjenny]

I’m 4000 miles away but headlines like this are stressing me out. How have they got to capacity so fast? Did they send out prior warnings about bed shortages? What if there’s a big traffic accident, or shooting, or natural disaster, what happens to those people?

I know not all Americans follow UK news, but it’s been very obvious for about 3 months now that Delta is way more contagious than previous variants and that it’s mainly affecting the unvaccinated. Plenty of warning.

Take a state like Alabama, where vaccination levels are at 36% (fully vaxxed). So it's clearly full of people not willing to vaccinate. Many people are also not willing to wear masks, socially distance and so on. Since nobody is making them to do those things anymore, it's obvious why covid cases are exploding.

 

[jjenny]

COVID-19 Immunity May Last A Lifetime After Vaccine Or Prior Infection, New Study Finds

Remember when they said the Covid vaccine may last a lifetime--- SMH

MSM oversold it. Some antibodies remain, but that doesn't mean people are going to be immune for a lifetime. Here is the author of the study saying that we were going to need a booster.
"Ellebedy’s team has observed early signs that Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine should trigger the production of the same cells4. But the persistence of antibody production, whether elicited by vaccination or by infection, does not ensure long-lasting immunity to COVID-19. The ability of some emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants to blunt the protective effects of antibodies means that additional immunizations may be needed to restore levels, says Ellebedy. “My presumption is, we will need a booster.”"
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime (nature.com)

 

[LaborDayRN]

I understand that the state of Oregon now requires all home care workers paid by Medicaid to be vaccinated. The woman who helps my friend one day each week with her shower, laundry, cleaning and shopping is quitting, rather than comply. She has always refused to wear a mask except when up close helping my friend shower and dress. It’s been a huge concern. So now, my 82 year old very passive friend is faced with the daunting task of dealing with a state-paid agency to get a new helper, assuming there are any available. If not, I know our congregation will divvy up the tasks for free, but that just adds to the load already lovingly carried by those able to help and will require some labor-intensive organization to maintain that level of care. But what about those who don’t have such a support system to pick up the slack caused by home care workers refusing to get vaxxed?

This is from a few weeks ago but I'm curious to see how it plays out.
THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS
California Will Require Vaccines For Workers In Health Care Facilities
August 6, 202110:40 AM ET

The CDPH wants to protect the state's vulnerable populations and to keep health care facilities operating steadily across the state. Under the order, which was announced Thursday and took effect the same day, paid and unpaid workers in health care facilities have until Sept. 30 to be fully vaccinated. The order applies to those who provide services or work in hospitals, nursing facilities, psychiatric hospitals, clinics and doctor's offices. It also includes dialysis centers and residential substance use treatment centers and at least a half-dozen other facilities.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I understand that the state of Oregon now requires all home care workers paid by Medicaid to be vaccinated. The woman who helps my friend one day each week with her shower, laundry, cleaning and shopping is quitting, rather than comply. She has always refused to wear a mask except when up close helping my friend shower and dress. It’s been a huge concern. So now, my 82 year old very passive friend is faced with the daunting task of dealing with a state-paid agency to get a new helper, assuming there are any available. If not, I know our congregation will divvy up the tasks for free, but that just adds to the load already lovingly carried by those able to help and will require some labor-intensive organization to maintain that level of care. But what about those who don’t have such a support system to pick up the slack caused by home care workers refusing to get vaxxed?

Bless you and your wonderful congregation. It shouldn't be like this though. IMO people who work in healthcare should never be the cause of harm to their patient population.

ETA: I personally have several long time co-workers that I follow on FB after retirement (they are still working). They are refusing to get a vaccination. I guess they won't have a job or maybe they will have to get tested each day they work. I'm not sure what the alternative will be. I suppose they can always move to another state (But CA pay's nurses VERY well).

 

[Sundog]

Yup. I was in the hospital a few days and nights and relied on the entire staff to be vaccinated because I wasn't. Scary finding out I was being admitted when I hadn't even been vaccinated with the first shot. Luckily I was protected by the hospital staff having been vaccinated.

I had to go to the hospital emergency room this past winter due to stepping on a sharp object (the dangers of remote working) and I needed to get a tetanus booster shot. It was during the time when they had already been vaccinating health care personnel for weeks. I guess I was excited because while I was being treated, I said something along the lines about how great it was that they had the vaccine now for them. The look I got back was not what I had expected, and I realized that not all health care workers are on board with the vaccine, and of course now we have the statistics to back that up.

 

[Mauig’ma]

You got one, so you can hardly claim bragging rights for being unvaccinated

Yes ur right I got the first dose from pressure to be able to fly. Once I did my own research I never went back for the second. Biggest regret is getting the first dose and caving to pressure.

 

[ilovewings]

Yes ur right I got the first dose from pressure to be able to fly. Once I did my own research I never went back for the second. Biggest regret is getting the first dose and caving to pressure.

What was the downside of getting the first dose?

 

[LaborDayRN]

Yes ur right I got the first dose from pressure to be able to fly. Once I did my own research I never went back for the second. Biggest regret is getting the first dose and caving to pressure.

This is an honest question and I'm truly interested in your answer. I'm respectfully curious why you are personally opposed to the vaccine yet a few pages back I believe you were upset that the U.S. isn't sending enough vaccines abroad? Why would the vaccine be bad for you but you feel it would help other nations?

 

[Teche]

Lab Corp does them here. It’s $10 if you need their doc to write the order, then they bill your insurance $42-ish which is typically covered at 100%. If you have a doc that will write the order for you, you can save the $10 fee. I signed up online after 11pm one night, had blood drawn the next day, and results before 8am the next morning.

How accurate are these?

 

[Cool Cats]

I had to go to the hospital emergency room this past winter due to stepping on a sharp object (the dangers of remote working) and I needed to get a tetanus booster shot. It was during the time when they had already been vaccinating health care personnel for weeks. I guess I was excited because while I was being treated, I said something along the lines about how great it was that they had the vaccine now for them. The look I got back was not what I had expected, and I realized that not all health care workers are on board with the vaccine, and of course now we have the statistics to back that up.

But I think now many hospitals require vaccines. Assumption.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yea, it's highly unlikely that with record hospitalization numbers, their deaths plummeted.

Remember, there has ALWAYS been alleged fudging in Florida.... since way back in the earliest days.. It continues to this day. CDC records different numbers, Department of Health reports different numbers than the "State".... we never know what to believe.
<modsnip>

2020
Florida medical examiners were releasing coronavirus death data. The state made them stop.

Report: Florida officials asked medical examiners to withhold information on coronavirus-related deaths

2021
DeSantis and health officials deliver sometimes conflicting messages. Here’s what we know about COVID in Florida

COVID-19 Data Misrepresented by Florida Governor | Sabin Center for Climate Change Law

Florida's COVID numbers are difficult but not impossible to find. Here's how

 

[Cool Cats]

How can anyone forget?! And this here is why I’m glad I didn’t get the vaccine

I didn't get the first dose until exactly one week ago and I assume you are living like I was but I got tired of doing so.

No dentist, no other specialists, no visiting friends, no extended shopping, no bookstores, no libraries, no restaurants, movies, parties, travel, church VBS, etc.....

After my 2nd shot I am looking forward to doing most of these things. Still iffy on dining in, movies and church.

If you haven't been avoiding anything your willing to take risks I am not, we each decide.

 

[Teche]

It's tough. While I think workers in healthcare should get more than burger-flippers, I'm not sure we can afford it. The home is already charging us over $9,000 per month. And, I was told that's less than a lot of other places. I'm terrified my mother will be neglected, and I can't even go see her.

Next time you visit, can you place a camera in the room? When my momma was in a nursing home 4-5 yrs ago in South LA., we paid $5,ooo+ for a private room with a 1/2 bath. She died 2 weeks after being admitted. It was a local and brand new facility where I knew some of the administrative staff. We were so thankful because they allowed my sister and me to spend nights with her. I can't imagine the stress of having to worry about the safety of your loved ones during this pandemic.

 

[Sundog]

But I think now many hospitals require vaccines. Assumption.

Many hospital systems are now requiring vaccines, but it depends on each individual health system and its hospitals. In Ohio, where I live, it is all across the board. The Cleveland Clinic, for example, strongly encourages but does not require vaccines. The Mayo Clinic doesn't require vaccines, but implements weekly testing for non-vaccinated health care professionals (nurses and doctors).

 

[Lilibet]

I didn't get the first dose until exactly one week ago and I assume you are living like I was but I got tired of doing so.

No dentist, no other specialists, no visiting friends, no extended shopping, no bookstores, no libraries, no restaurants, movies, parties, travel, church VBS, etc.....

After my 2nd shot I am looking forward to doing most of these things. Still iffy on some.

BBM

Please be careful! I’ve been fully vaxxed since May 26 and other than quickly catching up on my dentist, optometrist, haircut and routine medical tests, I have done NONE of the other things you list because…Delta. It took about three weeks after my second jab for me to realize it was not a “get out of jail free” card because…Delta. The cases and deaths in my county are burgeoning because…Delta and low vax rate. Even a vaxxed young friend got it and has been very sick.

Delta is a game-changer even for those of us who are fully vaxxed.

As I’ve mentioned repeatedly, I was hospitalized in February with original Covid just prior to being eligible for the vaccine. The vaccine would probably keep me from getting extremely ill with Delta, but none of the fun things listed would be worth it IMO if I have to pay with my health or risk someone else’s. I’m resigned to maintaining my own personal lockdown for whatever the duration is. Because…Delta or the next ugly variant.

 

[Sundog]

On a radio program this week, one of the directors of a large puplic health department was on a panel of county public health directors, and he said that cloth masks and surgical masks provide only about 20% of protection from Covid-19 to the person wearing the mask, and that mask-wearing by an infected person is about 60% effective in stopping the spread of Covid to others. He was promoting mask-wearing, but also noting their limits. I have seen Scott Gottlieb in interviews and others (like Mike Osterholm) advising people to wear N95 masks now with the Delta variant to be better protected.

 

[Teche]

I’m 4000 miles away but headlines like this are stressing me out. How have they got to capacity so fast? Did they send out prior warnings about bed shortages? What if there’s a big traffic accident, or shooting, or natural disaster, what happens to those people?

I know not all Americans follow UK news, but it’s been very obvious for about 3 months now that Delta is way more contagious than previous variants and that it’s mainly affecting the unvaccinated. Plenty of warning.

I'm in Louisiana and many major hospitals have few ICU beds. Our department of health and hospitals gives a daily count. Our local news gives the local counts at every news program. Facebook gives it all day every day. The ambulance company knows the count in ER and available beds. Right now we only have one ICU bed available. Yesterday our drama hospital welcomed a US Navy medical team to assist. We are drowning in Covid cases and low vaccination rates.

 

[Cool Cats]

Many hospital systems are now requiring vaccines, but it depends on each individual health system and its hospitals. In Ohio, where I live, it is all across the board. The Cleveland Clinic, for example, strongly encourages but does not require vaccines. The Mayo Clinic doesn't require vaccines, but implements weekly testing for non-vaccinated health care professionals (nurses and doctors).

When your in the emergency room and then they bring you back to see a doctor you get the covid test and asked if your vaccinated, in my experience.