Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

[Cool Cats]

Common since Covid - Angry flyers taking out frustrations on nice crew members and passengers

Sun, August 29, 2021, 10:53 AM
Spirit Airlines crew were asked to change out of their uniforms for their safety to avoid angry passengers, report says


Spirit airlines crew in uniform

"We were scared," the attendant told the Times. "I've seen some crazy stuff, but this moved into number one."

More than 30 Spirit Airlines employees were asked to change out of their uniforms for safety reasons after travelers became infuriated by flight cancellations earlier this month, according to a report by The New York Times.

An unnamed 28-year-old flight attendant told the Times that police officers at San Juan Airport in Puerto Rico rounded up at least 35 crew members to hide them after travelers started banging on a gate door and yelling at staff.

The crew member said they were rushed behind a secure metal door and ushered to an office on the tarmac, where a manager reportedly asked
everyone to change out of their uniforms for their own safety.

 

[SouthAussie]

Falling through cracks

Sun, August 29, 2021, 11:31 AM
A Texas mother with a vulnerable daughter is suing education officials and Governor Greg Abbott over a ban on school mask mandates

The Texan mother of an immunocompromised child joined a pro-mask lawsuit, saying the protection of young people's health should be prioritized, The Corpus Christi Caller-Times reported.

Riki Graves' daughter Juliana received a heart transplant as a newborn. Now, Graves wanted Juliana to return to the first grade as safely as possible, which means masks need to be worn in classrooms, she said.

Graves told the newspaper: "Kids are dying, the ICUs are full, and our government is not doing anything to protect school kids."

The lawsuit Graves joined, which was filed on behalf of 14 immunocompromised children last week, was an attempt to overturn Governor Greg Abbott's order forbidding school boards from imposing mask mandates. The lawsuit named Abbott and officials from the Texas Education Agency as defendants.

"In spite of national and local guidance urging precaution, Governor Abbott's Executive Order prohibits local school districts from even considering whether to implement the most basic and effective COVID-19 prevention strategy in school settings," the lawsuit said.

It added that if school districts are unable to implement COVID safety measures as they deem appropriate, parents of medically vulnerable students would have to decide whether to keep their children at home or risk endangering their health.

I imagine that these parents have a really good chance of winning their lawsuits, considering the 'constitutional' decision in the lawsuit against DeSantis.


A judge said the governor’s order doesn’t ‘pass constitutional muster,’ that school districts have the right to set policies and that they regularly enforce more intrusive mandates.
https://www.usnews.com/news/educati...-can-mandate-masks-in-major-loss-for-desantis

 

[Cool Cats]

I imagine that these parents have a really good chance of winning their lawsuits, considering the 'constitutional' decision in the lawsuit against DeSantis.


A judge said the governor’s order doesn’t ‘pass constitutional muster,’ that school districts have the right to set policies and that they regularly enforce more intrusive mandates.
https://www.usnews.com/news/educati...-can-mandate-masks-in-major-loss-for-desantis

Yes! And this also:

The Rehabilitation Act of 1973, Section 504 addresses protections for students with disabilities. Section 504 is a federal law designed to protect the rights of individuals with disabilities in programs and activities that receive Federal financial assistance from the department. OCR enforces section 504 in public elementary and secondary schools.

About IDEA - Individuals with Disabilities Education Act

 

[pocketaccent]

Looks like everybody is suing each other.

An Indiana woman is suing the CDC, Sephora, Krispy Kreme, and AMC Theatres over COVID mask requirements, saying her lawsuit was a calling from God

...
"They did research across all the bases and the United States Navy," she told Insider. "In fact, they even quarantined an entire island. And they said the only thing you can do if a pandemic comes again is build more hospitals."

She said masks were non-medical devices that couldn't be mandated unless they were certified as effective by the Food and Drug Administration.
...

 

[Cool Cats]

Looks like everybody is suing each other.

An Indiana woman is suing the CDC, Sephora, Krispy Kreme, and AMC Theatres over COVID mask requirements, saying her lawsuit was a calling from God

...
"They did research across all the bases and the United States Navy," she told Insider. "In fact, they even quarantined an entire island. And they said the only thing you can do if a pandemic comes again is build more hospitals."

She said masks were non-medical devices that couldn't be mandated unless they were certified as effective by the Food and Drug Administration.
...

World going to H@#& in a hand basket ....

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>

"They did research across all the bases and the United States Navy," she told Insider. "In fact, they even quarantined an entire island. And they said the only thing you can do if a pandemic comes again is build more hospitals."

She said masks were non-medical devices that couldn't be mandated unless they were certified as effective by the Food and Drug Administration.
...

BBM

And she is reaching back (as per BBM) to something that was said by a naval secretary in 1919!

"They included a 1919 report from the Secretary of the Navy that called into question whether masks worked."

 

[Deleted member 263106]

We have two friends in their 70s who had breakthrough infections with symptoms and received the antibody infusion. They are doing well. We are the same age and would do the same if we had a breakthrough infection--which we are trying hard to avoid!

Glad they are well! I posted the question because we found ourselves in that situation yesterday. Both fully vaccinated, 6 months out and positive as of Friday, hubby started showing signs of breathing difficulties early Sat. He went and got infusion and now today he is not having issues. Just amazes me the turnaround and was curious if others experienced this. We are in our 40’s, although he does have heart issues, but thought with the vaccine we wouldn’t have to have that panic moment we experienced Saturday. Guess we were wrong. Happy it was available in our area!

 

[jjenny]

Glad they are well! I posted the question because we found ourselves in that situation yesterday. Both fully vaccinated, 6 months out and positive as of Friday, hubby started showing signs of breathing difficulties early Sat. He went and got infusion and now today he is not having issues. Just amazes me the turnaround and was curious if others experienced this. We are in our 40’s, although he does have heart issues, but thought with the vaccine we wouldn’t have to have that panic moment we experienced Saturday. Guess we were wrong. Happy it was available in our area!

It's a good treatment. With a vaccine, your body makes antibodies against covid. If those antibodies weren't enough to prevent infection, you can get them infused-which is what Regeneron is.

 

[pocketaccent]

BBM

And she is reaching back (as per BBM) to something that was said by a naval secretary in 1919!

"They included a 1919 report from the Secretary of the Navy that called into question whether masks worked."

Yeah, 1919, over one hundred years ago.
She wants more hospitals built..

We have enough hospitals if everyone just wears a mask.
Virus -> Airborne -> mask
Duh..it's that simple.

 

[Cool Cats]

It's a good treatment. With a vaccine, your body makes antibodies against covid. If those antibodies weren't enough to prevent infection, you can get them infused-which is what Regeneron is.

Where do these antibodies come from, I mean who is donating their blood/plasma?

If a person has 100% recovered from Covid - negative tests - then can they go somewhere to donate their blood/plasma? The antibodies come from donated blood/plasma? Not sure.

 

[jjenny]

Where do these antibodies come from, I mean who is donating their blood/plasma?

If a person has 100% recovered from Covid - negative tests - then can they go somewhere to donate their blood/plasma? The antibodies come from donated blood/plasma.

It's all made using recombinant protein technology, not from blood/plasma.

 

[Cool Cats]

It's all made using recombinant protein technology, not from blood/plasma.

? Guess I'll need to look that up.

Thanks

 

[jjenny]

? Guess I'll need to look that up.

Thanks

The Regeneron antibodies are proteins made in a laboratory. They do not use human blood.

"Monoclonal antibodies are laboratory-made proteins that mimic the immune system’s ability to fight off harmful pathogens such as viruses. Casirivimab and imdevimab are monoclonal antibodies that are specifically directed against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, designed to block the virus’ attachment and entry into human cells."
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19 | FDA

 

[Cool Cats]

The Regeneron antibodies are proteins made in a laboratory. They do not use human blood.

"Monoclonal antibodies are laboratory-made proteins that mimic the immune system’s ability to fight off harmful pathogens such as viruses. Casirivimab and imdevimab are monoclonal antibodies that are specifically directed against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, designed to block the virus’ attachment and entry into human cells."
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19 | FDA

This is great!

They don't have to rely on millions of people having to donate blood/plasma.

So sounds like we all have a good shot at having them, Monoclonal Antibodies, available for us at large hospitals if we get a breakthrough case.

Good to plan ahead and find out where they are in our areas. I am going to.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am very surprised it's so many 25%

• About 1 in 8 nurses haven't gotten a COVID-19 vaccine or don't plan to get one, a new survey finds, setting up the potential for more staffing shortages at hospitals
• COVID-19 Survey

A majority of the nurses surveyed were hospital workers in medium to large hospitals with 100 to over 1,000 beds and 71% provide direct care to patients at the facilities.

The American Nurses Association surveyed nearly 5,000 nurses across the US in order to learn more about the questions and concerns they have about the vaccine. 25% of the nurses surveyed said they do not trust or are unsure that the coronavirus vaccines available are safe and effective.

Out of those who do not intend to get vaccinated, 84% said that there was not enough information about the long-term effects of the vaccine.

Hospitals are grappling with whether to require staff to get inoculated for the disease or risk alienating workers. 59% of the nurses surveyed support vaccine mandates.

 

[anneg]

I’m glad they are doing well!

I’m wondering how it was transmitted.

I had two friends in their early 70’s tell me over the weekend that they contracted Covid. No symptoms for one. Mild cold like symptoms for the other.
Both told me they were very careful so I was very surprised when I heard the news.

.....Every Wednesday night singing karaoke at a small bar. Indoors in an enclosed small space with no one wearing masks.

Our friends got it at an RV rally in early July. The event was outdoors, and people weren't wearing masks.

 

[MajorHoople]

Fauci says 8-month COVID booster shot timeline 'very flexible,' confirms rollout begins Sept. 20 | Daily Mail Online

"Dr Anthony Fauci has said advice for Americans to receive a booster shot eight months after they complete their COVID vaccine is 'flexible,' and added that he thought school vaccine mandates which force children to have the shots are a 'good idea.'

'We're still planning on eight months. That was the calculation we made. This rollout will start on the week of September the 20th,' Fauci told NBC’s Chuck Todd on Sunday.

'But as we've said all along, Chuck, in the original statement, that's the plan that we have, but we are open to data as they come in.

'We're not changing it, but we are very open to new data as it comes in. We're going to be very flexible about it."

 

[Satchie]

I am very surprised it's so many 25%

• About 1 in 8 nurses haven't gotten a COVID-19 vaccine or don't plan to get one, a new survey finds, setting up the potential for more staffing shortages at hospitals
• COVID-19 Survey

A majority of the nurses surveyed were hospital workers in medium to large hospitals with 100 to over 1,000 beds and 71% provide direct care to patients at the facilities.

The American Nurses Association surveyed nearly 5,000 nurses across the US in order to learn more about the questions and concerns they have about the vaccine. 25% of the nurses surveyed said they do not trust or are unsure that the coronavirus vaccines available are safe and effective.

Out of those who do not intend to get vaccinated, 84% said that there was not enough information about the long-term effects of the vaccine.

Hospitals are grappling with whether to require staff to get inoculated for the disease or risk alienating workers. 59% of the nurses surveyed support vaccine mandates.

I looked at the link you posted to the actual survey, it reported 7% do not plan to be vaccinated and 4% are unsure, so maybe not as drastic as the story presents.

In general, I don't think complicated things like interpreting surveys should be left to the media. Especially if there are multiple surveys over time, those poor journalists become super-confused. Their instinct is to copy other people's stories, and ramp up the drama to National Enquirer standards.

 

[Cool Cats]

I looked at the link you posted to the actual survey, it reported 7% do not plan to be vaccinated and 4% are unsure, so maybe not as drastic as the story presents.

In general, I don't think complicated things like interpreting surveys should be left to the media. Especially if there are multiple surveys over time, those poor journalists become super-confused. Their instinct is to copy other people's stories, and ramp up the drama to National Enquirer standards.

Good then it's better than it sounded. Thanks for digging deeper than the headline. Smart thing to do.

 

[Lilibet]

Glad they are well! I posted the question because we found ourselves in that situation yesterday. Both fully vaccinated, 6 months out and positive as of Friday, hubby started showing signs of breathing difficulties early Sat. He went and got infusion and now today he is not having issues. Just amazes me the turnaround and was curious if others experienced this. We are in our 40’s, although he does have heart issues, but thought with the vaccine we wouldn’t have to have that panic moment we experienced Saturday. Guess we were wrong. Happy it was available in our area!

Glad your hubby was able to get the infusion and that it helped. My dh and I tested positive back at the end of January and both got the monoclonal antibody infusion. I still ended up in the hospital, but I think it kept me from getting worse.

This is great!

They don't have to rely on millions of people having to donate blood/plasma.

So sounds like we all have a good shot at having them, Monoclonal Antibodies, available for us at large hospitals if we get a breakthrough case.

Good to plan ahead and find out where they are in our areas. I am going to.

What I don’t understand is why suddenly the infusion is being treated as something new. It was approved in Nov. 2020 with an EUA from the FDA after Trump got it. I got one of the first infusions in our rural area of Southern Oregon on Jan. 28, the day after it became available here. It wasn’t available everywhere back then. It’s been improved since then and should be widely available. I don’t think doctors are prescribing it enough. I was very fortunate. Patients may need to ask for it.

It is made from a blood fraction that contains the antibody which is then cloned in a laboratory, so that many doses can be made from the fraction. Convalescent plasma is different.

COVID-19 and Convalescent Plasma - Hematology.org