Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #99

[GRT]

This makes me wonder how many people who end up in the hospital are lying about their vaccination status. There’s no doubt in my mind that some are but can’t imagine hospital staff are verifying, and just taking their word for it.

Interesting point. Every time I visit my mom in the nursing home, I'm asked whether I'm vaccinated, but no one ever asks to see my card.

If we have people lying about their status, it will skew our statistics. But, I can see how it could happen.

 

[10ofRods]

Interesting point. Every time I visit my mom in the nursing home, I'm asked whether I'm vaccinated, but no one ever asks to see my card.

If we have people lying about their status, it will skew our statistics. But, I can see how it could happen.

Overall statistics on vaccination come from the vaccinating entities that were allotted the vaccines, not from self-reports of people. Each vial is numbered. If it is injected into a human, that's recorded both on the vaccination card and at the clinic/spot where it was administered.

Unless you mean other statistics. "Our statistics" are our public health statistics, from my point of view. People will only lie to the hospital if the hospital has some reason to treat them differently or they're embarrassed - people who actually study hospital outcomes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people have to have those vial numbers and vaccination cards to verify which group in a study the person would be put into.

 

[10ofRods]

Glad they are well! I posted the question because we found ourselves in that situation yesterday. Both fully vaccinated, 6 months out and positive as of Friday, hubby started showing signs of breathing difficulties early Sat. He went and got infusion and now today he is not having issues. Just amazes me the turnaround and was curious if others experienced this. We are in our 40’s, although he does have heart issues, but thought with the vaccine we wouldn’t have to have that panic moment we experienced Saturday. Guess we were wrong. Happy it was available in our area!

So sorry to hear this. The antibodies look like they begin to diminish at 5-6 months out, which is why beginning in September, we should be able to get boosters. The good news is that it looks like the boosters will boost immunity better than the 2 shot system, so that perhaps we can go a year in between.

 

[GRT]

Overall statistics on vaccination come from the vaccinating entities that were allotted the vaccines, not from self-reports of people. Each vial is numbered. If it is injected into a human, that's recorded both on the vaccination card and at the clinic/spot where it was administered.

Unless you mean other statistics. "Our statistics" are our public health statistics, from my point of view. People will only lie to the hospital if the hospital has some reason to treat them differently or they're embarrassed - people who actually study hospital outcomes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people have to have those vial numbers and vaccination cards to verify which group in a study the person would be put into.

I was just thinking about people who are admitted to the hospital with serious covid symptoms claiming they had the shot when they didn't. I can see some people being embarrassed that they didn't get the vaccine, or maybe thinking the hospital staff would look down on them, so they tell a tall tale.

But, I'm just thinking out loud.

 

[Turkeytrot]

I was just thinking about people who are admitted to the hospital with serious covid symptoms claiming they had the shot when they didn't. I can see some people being embarrassed that they didn't get the vaccine, or maybe thinking the hospital staff would look down on them, so they tell a tall tale.

But, I'm just thinking out loud.

I could see this as well.
Or even thinking it would affect their care if they say they're unvaccinated.

 

[Steelhead]

Overall statistics on vaccination come from the vaccinating entities that were allotted the vaccines, not from self-reports of people. Each vial is numbered. If it is injected into a human, that's recorded both on the vaccination card and at the clinic/spot where it was administered.

Unless you mean other statistics. "Our statistics" are our public health statistics, from my point of view. People will only lie to the hospital if the hospital has some reason to treat them differently or they're embarrassed - people who actually study hospital outcomes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people have to have those vial numbers and vaccination cards to verify which group in a study the person would be put into.

Thank you, 10ofRods, this makes perfect sense.

 

[Cool Cats]

Mon, August 30, 2021, 11:44 AM
Stop using these N95 masks, FDA says. There are ‘serious concerns’ with their quality

Although the warning was directed to health care professionals who work closely with COVID-19 patients, it doesn’t hurt to check if the box of N95 masks you purchased online or from stores made the cut.

Federal health officials are warning health care professionals about “serious concerns” regarding the quality of certain N95 masks made by Shanghai Dasheng Health Products Manufacturing in China.

All approvals for N95s produced by Shanghai Dasheng have been revoked as of Aug. 13, meaning they are no longer authorized for emergency use and “may no longer be manufactured, assembled, sold or distributed” in the U.S.

 

[IceIce9]

This makes me wonder how many people who end up in the hospital are lying about their vaccination status. There’s no doubt in my mind that some are but can’t imagine hospital staff are verifying, and just taking their word for it.

Many states have vaccination registries. I currently live in Indiana, and the state maintains a registry. Every vaccination given is uploaded into the registry.

Physician offices, clinics, and hospitals are provided with log ins to the registry so we can check vaccination records or print them out for our patients.

All the COVID vaccinations are on the registry site, and we can print out this official record, or verify that a patient has had their vaccines.

 

[jjenny]

DeSantis opened multiple free clinics here..no appt, no referral....

It should be everywhere by now...

I guess I don't understand why some places don't get it...

Cause Florida likely got the lion's share.

 

[Cool Cats]

Fake vs Real

I think it is helpful to put them side by side. Can you tell the difference? You can enlarge both at the same time.

Is it a crime to forge a vaccine card? And what’s the penalty for using a fake?

 

[weepingangel]

Dbm never mind -
I’m reading the thread backwards sorry misunderstood

I was just thinking about people who are admitted to the hospital with serious covid symptoms claiming they had the shot when they didn't. I can see some people being embarrassed that they didn't get the vaccine, or maybe thinking the hospital staff would look down on them, so they tell a tall tale.

But, I'm just thinking out loud.

 

[Cool Cats]

Hopefully all patients are being tested before being admitted Thais may or may not happen depending on the facility I guess

ETA- I’m reading backwards so I guess it was more of who is vaxed /who isn’t and who is getting sick thing . Ignore me

It is standard procedure at many hospitals for ANY patients being seen in the emergency room to receive a Covid test, whether admitted or not. Same for those who are admitted to the hospital in a different way other than through the emergency room.

I received a Covid test when being seen in the emergency room even before the Dr. decided to admit me.

Nurse told me this is standard practice at many hospitals.

I was given the uncomfortable but fairly quick nasal test.

The days of a swab up the nose for COVID-19 testing are coming to an end with NOWDiagnostic's fingerstick test

I wasn't vaccinated, anyone coming in my room was vaccinated. They ask you if you have been vaccinated and previously tested.

I never caught Covid and I owe it to the hospital professionals being vaccinated and this was when Delta was around.

 

[ilovewings]

Michigan adds 5,020 new COVID-19 cases, 27 deaths since Saturday

Michigan adds over 5000 new cases and 37 deaths since Saturday.

I can see why: Here is one example: We had a very exciting event in Michigan. The Little League Baseball team from Taylor Michigan won the National title. While I found that very sweet and exciting, they showed on TV a bar absolutely packed with hundreds of unmasked people - shouting, screaming, laughing. I cannot imagine many cases not coming out of that one event. People here in Michigan for the most part have thrown caution to the wind. A friend of mine is a Risk Manager for a community hospital in a suburb of Detroit. She told me that three weeks ago there were zero covid cases: there are now 27 and a few of those patients were vaccinated and yet they are pretty sick.

 

[weepingangel]

European Union takes U.S. off safe travel list, recommends restricting American tourists

 

[Cool Cats]

They might run into Open Meeting Law restrictions, but in my experience, there are a few things they can do. They can limit public input to 30 minutes and allow each speaker no more than 5 minutes, or they ask that the various groups get together and arrange to have a single speaker represent them.

I'm pretty sure most school districts have a strict no-firearm policy, so anyone violating that should be charged.

A few years ago, we had some local county commission meetings that got so heated, numerous sheriff's deputies were stationed in the room. Nothing ever happened, but it sure felt a little scary.

I haven't gone to any recent school board meetings, but I hear they've been pretty active of late. My kids are out of school.

Ya, mine are out of school also. Mine would have liked doing the video learning from home. I would have enjoyed them telling me how to do their math problems.
LOL .... !

 

[ilovewings]

Opinion | The Hard Covid-19 Questions We’re Not Asking

 

[Cool Cats]

Opinion | The Hard Covid-19 Questions We’re Not Asking

I got a Pay Wall (The New York Times) but found the same article without the Pay Wall

The Hard Covid-19 Questions We’re Not Asking

• Is the pandemic getting worse again?
  Aaron E. Carroll, the chief health officer for Indiana University, writes that the answer depends on whether you are vaccinated.

• Are new mask mandates a good idea?
  Jennifer B. Nuzzo and Beth Blauer, health experts at Johns Hopkins, examine three important questions about masking rules.

• What do you say to a friend who doesn't want the vaccine?
  Our chatbot, developed with experts, tackles this thorny conversation.

• Will masking in schools have negative effects on learning?
  Judith Danovitch, a research psychologist, explains why there’s little reason to worry, and why face coverings may even offer unexpected benefits.

 

[ilovewings]

I got a Pay Wall (The New York Times) but found the same article without the Pay Wall

The Hard Covid-19 Questions We’re Not Asking

• Is the pandemic getting worse again?
  Aaron E. Carroll, the chief health officer for Indiana University, writes that the answer depends on whether you are vaccinated.

• Are new mask mandates a good idea?
  Jennifer B. Nuzzo and Beth Blauer, health experts at Johns Hopkins, examine three important questions about masking rules.

• What do you say to a friend who doesn't want the vaccine?
  Our chatbot, developed with experts, tackles this thorny conversation.

• Will masking in schools have negative effects on learning?
  Judith Danovitch, a research psychologist, explains why there’s little reason to worry, and why face coverings may even offer unexpected benefits.

Thanks for finding the article minus the paywall!!!

 

[musicaljoke]

37 deaths of children from a condition "caused by Covid" is about 60 times less than the number of children killed in car accidents.

This breakdown of vaccinated and unvaccinated patients at the three hospitals in the Asante system in Southern Oregon makes it clear that being unvaccinated is a huge risk.

Asante providing better understanding of vaccinated and unvaccinated COVID-19 deaths and hospitalizations

According to their latest update, on August 29 2021, of the 182 people that are in their hospitals with COVID-19, 170 of the 182 patients are unvaccinated while the other 12 patients are vaccinated.

In Asante ICU or IMCU beds, 51 out of the 53 patients are unvaccinated while on two are vaccinated.

For patients on ventilators across Asante hospitals, all 21 people are unvaccinated.

Over the last seven days Asante has reported 21 deaths as well. Of those 21 deaths, 15 of them were people who were unvaccinated with 6 people were vaccinated.

This is certainly very clear evidence of the benefits of being vaccinated. As we go forward, and more and more people are vaccinated, it shouldn't come as a shock to us that a larger percentage of vaccinated people show up on reports such as this one. Eventually, when 100% of people are vaccinated, then 100% of people in hospital with covid will have had their vaccine.

It's going to require some adjustment to our understanding of what's going on, lest we make the mistake of believing that vaccines aren't working.

 

[musicaljoke]

This makes me wonder how many people who end up in the hospital are lying about their vaccination status. There’s no doubt in my mind that some are but can’t imagine hospital staff are verifying, and just taking their word for it.

Would it not be documented on their medical record? In Ontario, we have a continuity of care duty to send all medical data, including vaccination information to the patient's doctor. Failing to do so is cause for disciplinary action from the College.

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