Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

[JerseyGirl]

The Pentagon said Monday it had identified four bases with housing support for up to 1,000 people who may need to be quarantined upon their arrival in the US.

The four bases include the 168th Regiment Regional Training Institute in Fort Carson, Colorado; the Travis Air Force Base and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in California; and Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.

The DOD is currently housing 198 people at March Air Reserve Base.

Link in article.

 

[margarita25]

Coronavirus in Hong Kong: The city's economy doesn't need this outbreak - CNN

“Germany confirmed its 10th case on Sunday, and there were also new cases reported in South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Macao and Hong Kong. The United States, Australia and New Zealand have all announced that they will not allow foreign nationals who have traveled from or transited through China to enter. Nationals from those countries will face mandatory quarantine on arrival.
The G7 nations will hold a joint telephone conference to discuss how to deal with the coronavirus outbreak, German Health Minister Jens Spahn announced after talking with his American counterpart Alex Azar on Sunday.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The Pentagon said Monday it had identified four bases with housing support for up to 1,000 people who may need to be quarantined upon their arrival in the US.

The four bases include the 168th Regiment Regional Training Institute in Fort Carson, Colorado; the Travis Air Force Base and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in California; and Lackland Air Force Base in Texas.

The DOD is currently housing 198 people at March Air Reserve Base.

Link in article.

I guess I'm just ignorant and expect more. I'm shocked and surprised that governments all over the world do not have a plan for such in place already.

That they had to look to see where they could House people once they brought them back just now?

This to me is a no-brainer that governments that are first world governments and economic powerhouses should have this previously planned and put in a plan already for this to happen.

Moo

 

[margarita25]

Yep, thanks- 2 plus 1 plus 2 plus 1 does equal 6, not 5. I need to go back to 1st grade math!

So there are now 4 of the 11 United States cases here in my neck of the woods. Yikes. But no one really seems to be concerned. I've seen 3 people wearing face masks since Friday when the first case was announced. One in the grocery store, one driving by in a car (by herself in the car, now that's interesting), and one at church yesterday. But otherwise, no fear around here from what I've gathered.

I was in a Lyft earlier this morning and we got to talking about the worldwide economic aspects of the CV, and the driver says, “Yeah I gave a ride to a guy who flew in from China the other day...he says none of his family is working over there.”

I said, “Please don’t tell me that.”

So, let’s be real honest here - I don’t want to be overreacting and harboring unnecessary emotions, but I am not very comfortable with this Lyft thing going forward, should the number of cases continue to grow in the US, and neither are some drivers with whom I’ve been speaking, considering all the airport trips they make. Is this fear unfounded? I certainly don’t be one of those people getting all worried for no reason. I consider myself one who is armed with education. I want to real and upfront with any concerns and nip them in the bud.

I expect we may be seeing some articles on the subject of Uber and Lyft going forward, moo.

 

[Bravo]

Our folks are going to a Base in Trenton. Whenever they are allowed to fly back that is

 

[margarita25]

Our folks are going to a Base in Trenton. Whenever they are allowed to fly back that is

Coronavirus epidemic: Nearly 300 returning Canadians will be quarantined at Trenton. Here’s how that will work

“Nearly 300 Canadians will be evacuated out of Wuhan and quarantined for 14 days in Trenton, Ontario, government and public health officials said Monday.”

[...]

“Ottawa hasn’t confirmed when the Canadian evacuees will arrive in Canada, with officials stating they are waiting on approval from Chinese authorities to enter their air space.”

 

[Amonet]

I was in a Lyft earlier this morning and we got to talking about the CV - the driver says, “Yeah I gave a ride to a guy who flew in from China the other day...he says none of his family is working over there.”

I said, “Please don’t tell me that.”

So, let’s be real honest here - I don’t want to be overreacting and harboring unnecessary emotions, but I am not very comfortable with this Lyft thing going forward, should the number of cases continue to grow in the US, and neither are some drivers with whom I’ve been speaking, considering all the airport trips they make. Is this fear unfounded? I certainly don’t be one of those people getting all worried for no reason. I consider myself one who is armed with education. I want to real and upfront with any concerns and nip them in the bud.

I expect we may be seeing some articles on the subject of Uber and Lyft going forward, moo.

I don't like to be the one to tell you this, but...there's already been an issue with Uber. I don't remember where I read it, maybe the BBC this morning? A guy traveled from China to SF in the US, then traveled to Mexico and got Ubers. Then he flew back to SF and was diagnosed with coronavirus.

Uber (I think it was Uber) took it seriously and said that the driver who took him would be deregistered for 14 days, and even the passengers that used the cars that the visitor was in are also deregistered for 14 days from the Uber network.

But don't forget that most people traveling from China to the US wouldn't have come from Hubei province and are far less likely to themselves have had contact with anyone with the new coronavirus in order to bring it to the USA or any other country.

ETA link:
Uber blocks drivers who picked up coronavirus man

 

[margarita25]

I don't like to be the one to tell you this, but...there's already been an issue with Uber. I don't remember where I read it, maybe the BBC this morning? A guy traveled from China to SF in the US, then traveled to Mexico and got Ubers. Then he flew back to SF and was diagnosed with coronavirus.

Uber (I think it was Uber) took it seriously and said that the driver who took him would be deregistered for 14 days, and even the passengers that used the cars that the visitor was in are also deregistered for 14 days from the Uber network.

But don't forget that most people traveling from China to the US wouldn't have come from Hubei province and are far less likely to themselves have had contact with anyone with the new coronavirus in order to bring it to the USA or any other country.

Thank you for the response.

So now, there is an article from Science magazine, which says the aspect of asymptomatic transmission (which as we know was learned from the German cases per Dr. Fauci), is flawed.

Bringing link forward from upstream / I would like to study/discuss this further, as it’s a major factor in all of this, imo:

Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed | Science | AAAS

 

[Hatfield]

Our folks are going to a Base in Trenton. Whenever they are allowed to fly back that is

I cant believe the Canada evacuation has not been allowed yet to happen.

I understand there has to be a lot of coordination and so forth but still. Speed of action is very important in times like this and its starting to seem like emergency approvals by China would have been done by now.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

RSBM A guy traveled from China to SF in the US, then traveled to Mexico and got Ubers. Then he flew back to SF and was diagnosed with coronavirus.RSBM....But don't forget that most people traveling from China to the US wouldn't have come from Hubei province and are far less likely to themselves have had contact with anyone with the new coronavirus in order to bring it to the USA or any other country.

ETA link:
Uber blocks drivers who picked up coronavirus man

What health outlet matches up to this guy? The US cases, none matches this scenario that I've seen at all. There has not been one case that flew into San Fran, or was diagnosed in San Fran to date MOO.


I'm just seeing reports as to Mexico issue that was negative in the end?
Uber freezes 240 Mexico accounts after flagging a possible coronavirus case

As coronavirus panic spreads, Uber and Lyft riders of Asian descent are reporting discrimination from drivers

 

[Tadpole12]

Thank you for the response.

Study claiming new coronavirus can be transmitted by people without symptoms was flawed | Science | AAAS

"And it turned out she did have symptoms while in Germany. According to people familiar with the call, she felt tired, suffered from muscle pain, and took paracetamol, a fever lowering medication."

Paracetamol = tylenol

 

[Hatfield]

I don't like to be the one to tell you this, but...there's already been an issue with Uber. I don't remember where I read it, maybe the BBC this morning? A guy traveled from China to SF in the US, then traveled to Mexico and got Ubers. Then he flew back to SF and was diagnosed with coronavirus.

Uber (I think it was Uber) took it seriously and said that the driver who took him would be deregistered for 14 days, and even the passengers that used the cars that the visitor was in are also deregistered for 14 days from the Uber network.

But don't forget that most people traveling from China to the US wouldn't have come from Hubei province and are far less likely to themselves have had contact with anyone with the new coronavirus in order to bring it to the USA or any other country.

ETA link:
Uber blocks drivers who picked up coronavirus man

To help myself understand how long this new Coronavirus can live on a surface and infect others who touch that surface, I decided to use the Flu as a basis for now since the Flu has been studied for years and I figure it should be in the ballpark at least. And so if we assume that this Coronavirus can last on surfaces somewhat close to the flu virus survivability on a surface, then this is what this reputable article and Doctor indicates.

"Pretty likely, Alison Carey, MD, an associate professor of microbiology and immunology at Drexel University, tells Health. “Flu viruses can survive on hard surfaces (like bus poles) and infect another person for 24 to 48 hours,” she says. “Cold viruses don’t survive as long—usually a few hours. But there is evidence that they can survive and be passed on for up to 24 hours.”"

This Is How Long Cold and Flu Germs Can Live on Surfaces Like Doorknobs and Subway Poles

 

[margarita25]

To help myself understand how long this new Coronavirus can live on a surface and infect others who touch that surface, I decided to use the Flu as a basis for now since the Flu has been studied for years and I figure it should be in the ballpark at least. And so if we assume that this Coronavirus can last on surfaces somewhat close to the flu virus survivability on a surface, then this is what this reputable article and Doctor indicates.

"Pretty likely, Alison Carey, MD, an associate professor of microbiology and immunology at Drexel University, tells Health. “Flu viruses can survive on hard surfaces (like bus poles) and infect another person for 24 to 48 hours,” she says. “Cold viruses don’t survive as long—usually a few hours. But there is evidence that they can survive and be passed on for up to 24 hours.”"

This Is How Long Cold and Flu Germs Can Live on Surfaces Like Doorknobs and Subway Poles

Hatfield, see this article, bringing forward- I’m not sure how applicable it is:

Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

 

[Tadpole12]

ETA link:
Uber blocks drivers who picked up coronavirus man

"The company said it had suspended 240 passenger accounts, as well as the two drivers, just in case the drivers had contacted the virus and passed it on."

 

[Hatfield]

Hatfield, see this article, bringing forward- I’m not sure how applicable it is:

Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

Wow. I kind of figured a location's temperature, humidity, etc would have an impact but I didnt realize it could have that dramatic effect on how long a "bug" can survive on a surface.

It makes total sense though. Like in cooler humid areas, it is likely able to survive a lot longer.

 

[Windsorite]

China's Coronavirus DID Come From Bats...

This report is from the DM, so take it with a grain of salt.

Canadian experts agree with the science behind this:

Infectious Disease Expert Discusses Coronavirus with CBC

 

[Tadpole12]

Coronavirus epidemic: Nearly 300 returning Canadians will be quarantined at Trenton. Here’s how that will work

"Given the high risk of infection that comes with travelling from the virus epicenter, officials will not allow passengers to quarantine at home.
During the quarantine period passengers will be kept in individual isolation ..."

 

[Tadpole12]

However, it does bring to mind another question: what are they going to do about the quarantine on Hubei? At what point can they reasonably end that quarantine between Hubei and the rest of China?

Will find out soon enough as day 13 of Wuhan Quarantime approaches?

 

[margarita25]

Wow. I kind of figured a location's temperature, humidity, etc would have an impact but I didnt realize it could have that dramatic effect on how long a "bug" can survive on a surface.

It makes total sense though. Like in cooler humid areas, it is likely able to survive a lot longer.

Hatfield, here’s another article of interest re: temperature posted by @gregjrichards, bringing link forward;

Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

 

[Bravo]

I cant believe the Canada evacuation has not been allowed yet to happen.

I understand there has to be a lot of coordination and so forth but still. Speed of action is very important in times like this and its starting to seem like emergency approvals by China would have been done by now.

Have you googled or aware of the issues China has with Canada as of late. If not check it out. The answer is there. One of the links I read today a Reporter asked that very question and it was basically shut down. They were not going to comment on it at all. Sorry I dont have the link handy.