Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #2

[JerseyGirl]

Here's where things stand this morning:

• How many cases are there? There have been 28,275 cases and 565 deaths around the world. All but two of the deaths have been in mainland China (The Philippines and Hong Kong have each seen one death).

• The youngest victims: Two newborn babies in Wuhan, China, have been infected with the coronavirus. The youngest baby was diagnosed at just 30 hours old. The baby's mother was also infected with the virus and that "there may be mother-infant transmission," where the mother passes the virus on to the baby in utero.

• Evacuations to the US: Planeloads of Americans fleeing the outbreak in China are arriving at military bases across the United States this week on what could be the final chartered flights. In the US, there are now 12 confirmed cases — the latest one reported in Wisconsin yesterday.

• Cruise ship lockdowns: More than 7,300 people are being quarantined on two cruise ships off Hong Kong and Japan after concerns passengers and crew were inadvertently exposed to the Wuhan coronavirus by infected passengers.

Coronavirus news: Two babies infected in China, says CCTV - live updates - CNN

 

[Tadpole12]

Chinese official: Suspending flights to China is "neither cool-headed nor rational"

“I must stress that certain countries’ ill-advised decisions to suspend flights to and from China are neither cool-headed nor rational," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

"China is strongly concerned and dissatisfied. We hope relevant countries will bear in mind overall relations and people’s interests and resume normal operation of flights to guarantee normal people-to-people exchange and cooperation."

Reading the 'one voice' kind of statements from China,
this morning,
just reminded me of conspiracy talk show host, Alex Jones,
and one of the characters he adopts (which is rooted in racism)...
The Fentanyl Dragon.

Wonder how this epidemic effects the illegal shipments of mass quantities of Fentanyl to US?

 

[What if...]

This doesn't make any sense in the context of reported deaths. 28,000 infected, 24 thousand possibles, 1217 cured, 560 dead. That's not a good score card yet. Recoveries have exceeded deaths, but if there are unreported deaths, the numbers make more sense.

Numbers are : infected, possibles, recovered, death.
Could the recovered versus death numbers be skewed?

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If there are only 73 deaths in all of China, why are the crematoriums going 24/7? How long does it take to cremate a body?

73 bodies in all crematoriums across the country means overload on the country, or overload in a quarantined area?

The rest of the world is fighting to contain this virulent and sometimes deadly. virus.

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After considerable thought on the subject of reported numbers, I truly believe the numbers from Hubei are extremely inaccurate.
There’s a lot of debate on whether or not China is purposefully under reporting. On that particular subject, I will only say that the Chinese government has a long history of being less than forthcoming.
However, for arguments sake, let’s assume they are proceeding with the intentions of accurate reporting.
We do have some factual accounts of the crisis Hubei is currently facing. We know that the medical facilities and health care workers have been stretched beyond their limits. It’s been reported that only the worst cases are being tested for the virus. Individuals with symptoms that aren’t deemed serious are being turned away. We know that test kits have been in short supply. We know that the primary goal at this point is containment.
Taking all of the above into consideration, imagine the front line chaos that has unfolded...
EACH DAY, the hospitals are inundated with thousands of individuals showing up, displaying various levels of symptoms, all wanting to be tested. They have to sort out those with the most serious symptoms - the rest are turned away (so we know there are probably thousands that have the virus that will never even be tested)
The ones that are admitted have to be provided with care, they have to find the space to provide the care, they all have to be tested, etc,...

With so much chaos, there are people that will die at home, there will be people dying in route to the hospital, there will be people dying in the hospital before the test can be ran.
With treatment and containment being the primary goal, I seriously doubt they would spend the time, medical resources, or limited test kits on the dead rather than the living. And containment protocols would dictate immediate disposal of the bodies in an effort to further control the outbreak.

In my opinion, the real question is how many bodies are falling into this unknown category? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands??

IF China has cremated 20k + bodies, and even if they believe all those bodies have the virus, those numbers couldn’t be included in the official count without confirmation.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Wuhan doctor who was Coronavirus whistleblower dies from virus

Li Wenliang — the Chinese whistleblower doctor who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December 2019 — had died of coronavirus in Wuhan today.

Doctor Li Wenliang, 34, was questioned by local health authority, and was later summoned by Wuhan police to sign a reprimand letter in which he was accused of "spreading rumors online" and "severely disrupting social order." Dr. Li was hospitalized on January 12 after contracted the virus from his patient, and he was confirmed to have the coronavirus on February 1.

Coronavirus news: Two babies infected in China, says CCTV - live updates - CNN

____
World Health Organization (WHO)
✔@WHO
We are deeply saddened by the passing of Dr Li Wenliang. We all need to celebrate work that he did on #2019nCoV - @DrMikeRyan

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Earlier story about Dr. Wenliang: Chinese doctor who was silenced now has coronavirus - CNN

 

[What if...]

Chinese official: Suspending flights to China is "neither cool-headed nor rational"

“I must stress that certain countries’ ill-advised decisions to suspend flights to and from China are neither cool-headed nor rational," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying.

"China is strongly concerned and dissatisfied. We hope relevant countries will bear in mind overall relations and people’s interests and resume normal operation of flights to guarantee normal people-to-people exchange and cooperation."

Coronavirus news: Two babies infected in China, says CCTV - live updates - CNN

Yet, quarantining 60 million people is ???

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Coronavirus outbreak: World Health Organization holds update on virus | LIVE

almost over, yet can rewind. Wait for MSM perhaps as they said audiofile would be up immediately after the press conference. They said at end they would reconvened tomorrow. I'll view and update here as I'm viewing with ETA

• They have shipped 250,00 test shipped to labs around the world
• Still don't know where it originated or what animal
• No vaccines yet, no treatments
• We are shadowboxing
• Feb 11 and 12 will convene international group to develop treatments and vaccines
• Coordinating key donors and focus to agreed priorities
• We need to be led by facts not fear, and science and not rumors
• Following Ebola virus, we developed a program to speed up stuff and we already have a test

Next to questions....

• RE strikes in hong kong. This is a time of solidarity, there is a common enemy. I advise we focus on virus.
• RE 4,000 cases and some coming out of incubation and are we at peak. No, it's right now too early to make predictions. Today is the first day overall China numbers have dropped, but we are in the middle of the outbreak. There has been acceleration in Hubei, but not in other areas of China. Relatively stable outside of Hubei, but may be the cycle of transmission.
• RE The guy who died that was the whistleblower. We are very sad to here of Dr. Li or any front line worker.
• RE Africa and diagnostic capabilities. We have a global laboratory network and referral labs to ship to if country doesn't have. We are building on influenza labs. We are getting out lab tests, 250,000 so far. Now to send to Africa those labs that can do PCR testing already
• RE ? hard to hear. We are still waiting for data from countries. re China data, it's very difficult to do a retrospective as to their numbers. Wuhan reported clusters, and we don't know if one or two or three animals. The surveillance system worked, and was reported to WHO. It takes time for public health to react. It takes time to differentiate from the existing flu season. Easy to look back, it was picked up from large flu season and we are grateful.
• China cannot hide cases#s in the rest of the world. As we speak we have 225 cases outside of China. Difficult to say China was hiding. We will learn later what happened from start to end.
• All risk assessment for public health depends on local capacities, so certain countries have to make different decisions as to cultural concerns. We try to make our decisions (can't understand)
• Big things we are looking at is severity and progression of disease. many cases look like a cold... through pneumonia... through multi organ failure and death. age and underlying conditions make a difference.
  
• Jan 23rd, it has now been 15 days. The Wuhan folks are paying a lot, and we appreciate and thank them for their cooperation. That their actions protect their people and the rest of the world. Doing this for humanity is beyond words, and I am thankful and proud that they are doing that.
• We are seeing some countries are closing borders, and some not. Some are confused as no guidance. A. Quarantine measures are the most expensive to do, and low income countries is hard. And many times the first case appears in an ER where doctors are not aware. We have to avoid disease appear in an untrained and unprepared settings. We have to get where all health care can reconize, Isolate etc.
• RE mild cases transmitting. We are learning, and studies need to be conducted. That data is urgently required for us to handle how much virus shedding goes on for each. We are asking for countries to collect this for us. The R&D work we have a blueprint, and we are building on influenza labs and connect them with communicable disease labs. We need serology tests to determine who has perhaps had the virus to know if folks had it, and see if mild cases have been missed. We don't have that. We need it. We will speak about this on the 11th and 12th next week in our meeting.
• What data do we have for gender/age etc from China. We have seen advance age is risk factor for death.

THE END. Back tomorrow. Executive board is about to meet without media at the end.

 

[Tadpole12]

From quora

How many people die in china per day?
According to national statistic bureau, about 890 million people died in a year, so on average there are 2.4 million people die in China each day.

ETA, will look for better source of info

 

[JerseyGirl]

Coronavirus outbreak: World Health Organization holds update on virus | LIVE

Hard to hear, almost over, yet can rewind. Wait for MSM perhaps. They said at end they would reconvened tomorrow.

At Wednesday’s press briefing, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of confirmed cases grew by more than 3,100 over the previous 24 hours, which he said was “the most cases in a single day since the outbreak started” on Dec. 31.

“Our greatest concern is about the potential for spread in other countries with weaker health systems and who lack the capacity to detect and diagnose the virus,” he said. Watch Thursday’s live press conference here.

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WHO to convene international coronavirus forum

The World Health Organization is inviting scientists from across the globe for a two-day international research forum starting Feb. 11.

“There’s still a lot we don’t know. We don’t know the source of the outbreak. We don’t know what its natural reservoir is and we don’t properly understand its transmissibility or severity,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporter. There’s no vaccine or effective treatments against it, he said. “To put it bluntly, we’re shadow boxing. We need to bring this virus out into the light so we can attack it properly.”

The WHO is convening a global research and innovation forum to share research and ideas on how to combat the virus.

Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin says coronavirus won't hurt China trade deal, Yum warns on virus hit

 

[JerseyGirl]

Toyota Motor is looking at alternatives for the production of auto parts made in China because of the coronavirus. The company has halted production at its China plants through Sunday, but may extend the deadline if the situation worsens.

Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin says coronavirus won't hurt China trade deal, Yum warns on virus hit

Tokyo 2020 Olympics organizers set up coronavirus task force

The organizers of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games have set up a task force in an attempt to counter intensifying fears about the coronavirus outbreak. Tokyo 2020 CEO Toshiro Muto will run the newly created Novel Coronavirus Countermeasures Task Force.

The group held its first meeting on Tuesday and a second briefing could take place as soon as Friday.

The Olympic Games are set to take place from July 24 to Aug. 9, with the Paralympic Games scheduled to run from Aug. 25 to Sept. 6.

 

[Hatfield]

A vacation turned into a nightmare.
If you've not been on a cruise ship, please note that their cabins are tiny.
They want you out mingling and having fun.
They are designed to make a place to sleep and a quick shower.
From a social study alone.
I know that I could do 14 days in a tiny space with my beloved mate. But it would be Very hard.
Especially if he was constantly negative.
I might well be running down the corridors, virus be damned.
Hell. I might tell them I have the virus in hopes of being flown elsewhere!

Wow. If they are being told to stay in their tiny cruise ship cabins, it puts a whole other meaning into "Cabin Fever". It would drive a person nuts by day 3.

I agree that most probably wont be able to handle it and want to at least take a walk outside their cabins.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Sad news, the doctor who sounded the alarm at the first has died. I know he was detained and forced to sign a statement, I only hope they didn't do something more to cause him to contact the virus (like expose him without any protection)

Doctor who sounded alarm on coronavirus dies

MOO

 

[Hatfield]

Is anyone paying attention to how often they touch the face/head? Is anyone trying to break the habit? I am.

Yes, and I have not been successful at all. I cannot believe how often I habitually go to my face area to either scratch my nose, wipe my eyes, etc. It is bizarre and until this case, I really had no idea that this is a "thing" people do so often. I think I have finally reduced the habit somewhat but in no way I am totally successful.

I am so thankful though, that this and many other things like this, were brought up here because it is helping me to prevent any type of "bugs" like normal cold or flu. I am hoping to come out of this case with changes in behaviors (like washing hands much more frequently, avoiding touching face, wiping down surfaces with Lysol, etc.) that can help me to prevent any "bugs" in the long run.

Thanks to everyone for all the excellent advice and articles. It has been very eye opening and very helpful to me.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm at GP now with a cough, headache and fever. I'm sure it's a garden variety bronchitis. But there are masks available and signs about the flu and coronavirus.

 

[Bravo]

I'm at GP now with a cough, headache and fever. I'm sure it's a garden variety bronchitis. But there are masks available and signs about the flu and coronavirus.

Oh no. Feel better. Rest, rest and more rest.

 

[MJPeony]

Wuhan doctor who was Coronavirus whistleblower dies from virus

Li Wenliang — the Chinese whistleblower doctor who warned the public of a potential "SARS-like" disease in December 2019 — had died of coronavirus in Wuhan today.

Doctor Li Wenliang, 34, was questioned by local health authority, and was later summoned by Wuhan police to sign a reprimand letter in which he was accused of "spreading rumors online" and "severely disrupting social order." Dr. Li was hospitalized on January 12 after contracted the virus from his patient, and he was confirmed to have the coronavirus on February 1.

Coronavirus news: Two babies infected in China, says CCTV - live updates - CNN

____
World Health Organization (WHO)
✔@WHO
We are deeply saddened by the passing of Dr Li Wenliang. We all need to celebrate work that he did on #2019nCoV - @DrMikeRyan

____

Earlier story about Dr. Wenliang: Chinese doctor who was silenced now has coronavirus - CNN

This is heartbreaking and makes me very upset.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I'm at GP now with a cough, headache and fever. I'm sure it's a garden variety bronchitis. But there are masks available and signs about the flu and coronavirus.

At my hospital we have masks available year round with signs asking anyone who has cold or flu symptoms to wear one. Unfortunately, very few people do until we ask them to. I'm hoping that with all the news that's focused on the corona virus, more people with comply. @JaneEyre I hope you feel better soon!!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

In case some didn't see, scroll back up as I tried to transcribe and do ETA ETA ETA the meeting this am about 6 posts back and you may have missed.

Yeah! Jersey girl is already getting the MSM reports on the meeting posted also even while I was transcribing, thanks!

I thought it was very interesting how he addressed questions as to China hiding. I don't think he thinks that. I think the issue is that the government tried to quash them and to go through proper channels to support vs. how they did through social media at the same time it was compiling information and passing it up through those that needed to be informed that there were clusters. As he said, later they will do a retrospective to learn from.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Wow. If they are being told to stay in their tiny cruise ship cabins, it puts a whole other meaning into "Cabin Fever". It would drive a person nuts by day 3.

I agree that most probably wont be able to handle it and want to at least take a walk outside their cabins.

I don't beleive that anyone is allowed to leave their cabin on the ship. If you have an inside cabin, you are stuck with no fresh air. A balcony would afford you the only chance of breathing outside air. Someone reported from the ship:

Coronavirus: Diamond Princess guests dub quarantine a floating prison

Their photos and videos showed the vessel that once had 3,711 passengers and crew is now a ghost ship, deserted reception areas, swimming pools and hallways.

“I think for many passengers, it’s going to be absolute boredom,” David Abel said. He considers himself lucky that he has a cabin with a balcony. “The people I feel really sorry for are those with inside cabins who’ve got no natural light, no fresh air. It’s going to be pretty grim for them for two weeks.”

Life on the Diamond Princess in Yokohama, Abel said, “has changed beyond recognition to what you would call a luxury cruise.” One meal was just a glass of orange juice, a yogurt and a bit of melon. Another was a “lettuce sandwich with some chicken inside” and a dessert.

When masked crew members hand over and pick up the trays of food, he said, “it’s very brief. There’s no physical contact apart from touching the tray.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I don't beleive that anyone is allowed to leave their cabin on the ship. If you have an inside cabin, you are stuck with no fresh air. A balcony would afford you the only chance of breathing outside air. Someone reported from the ship:

Coronavirus: Diamond Princess guests dub quarantine a floating prison

Their photos and videos showed the vessel that once had 3,711 passengers and crew is now a ghost ship, deserted reception areas, swimming pools and hallways.

“I think for many passengers, it’s going to be absolute boredom,” David Abel said. He considers himself lucky that he has a cabin with a balcony. “The people I feel really sorry for are those with inside cabins who’ve got no natural light, no fresh air. It’s going to be pretty grim for them for two weeks.”

Life on the Diamond Princess in Yokohama, Abel said, “has changed beyond recognition to what you would call a luxury cruise.” One meal was just a glass of orange juice, a yogurt and a bit of melon. Another was a “lettuce sandwich with some chicken inside” and a dessert.

When masked crew members hand over and pick up the trays of food, he said, “it’s very brief. There’s no physical contact apart from touching the tray.”

I shared yesterday that they aren't allowed to go out of the cabin, and no smoking, and no coffee makers so waiting till noon for coffee. I watched a live video from someone on the ship last night and they said there also is NO ALCOHOL served. (I wonder how long that box ..to get through xray...of wine I always sneak on board would last )

OK... I"m jumping ship for sure.

 

[JerseyGirl]

“It's official! Leishenshan, another newly built hospital specially designated to treat #coronavirus patients, officially opened on Thursday. It will provide 1,600 beds where about 2,000 medical staff can work to fight the disease,” state-run Global Times said on its Twitter page.

An aerial photo shows the final stages of construction for the Leishenshan Hospital in Wuhan on Wednesday

Coronavirus news: Two babies infected in China, says CCTV - live updates - CNN

One new hospital, Huoshenshan Hospital, was handed over to the military to begin operations on Monday. Both that hospital and this second new one were built in a matter of days.