Coronavirus - Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV #3

[Tadpole12]

Nope
read that wrong.

 

[Trino]

China has now accepted help from the WHO (World Health Organization) and is allowing a team of experts.

 

[Bravo]

UHN checklist for 2019 novel coronavirus
includes full-body rash.

Oh wow. Thanks. I missed it if it was posted here earlier.

 

[Medstudies]

dbm. But thanks @Bravo @Tadpole12

 

[Bravo]

China has now accepted help from the WHO (World Health Organization) and is allowing a team of experts.

Finally. I was going to post a bit ago that WHO has to continue the delicate dance with their words in the press. They were awaiting permission to be allowed in.

 

[mickey2942]

I really haven't read, is this also zoonotic? Does it transmit to animals and back to humans? It would make sense, and didn't we read about 5 million chickens killed in China recently, some sort of avian flu? Maybe folks thought chickens passed the virus.

Here is an article, but it states chickens had a different virus, and far fewer than I read in another article.
China reports bird flu outbreak that killed thousands of chickens - Inkstone

 

[Bravo]

So no rash?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

How is our favorite British cruise couple today? Does anybody know?

 

[mickey2942]

The Chinese scientist searching for coronavirus clues in caves - Inkstone

This gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Bat crazy". This woman collects bat feces, and found the Coronavirus in the bat fecal material.

That article was enough for me.

 

[Medstudies]

That link has been removed.

Any more sources on why goggles need to be worn? Making a note. I’m just curious because I have not heard goggles mentioned in any PC’s that I’ve seen, nor heard any references to “eyes”, that I recall anyway, and transmission aspects as we know them are very important to keep clear. Unfortunately I’m going to have to google “aerosol plumes of virus-laden diarrhea” here shortly because I’m struggling with clarity on this subject.

Well let me (maybe) unmuddy the waters?

Ocular Tropism of Respiratory Viruses

this isn’t specific to CV however,


ANATOMICAL AND HOST RECEPTOR LINKS BETWEEN OCULAR AND RESPIRATORY SYSTEMS
There are several properties which permit the eye to serve as both a potential site of virus replication as well as a gateway for transfer of virus to extraocular sites to establish a respiratory infection. This is achieved primarily by the nasolacrimal system, which provides an anatomical bridge between ocular and respiratory tissues (Fig. 1) (4, 25). The lacrimal duct collects tear fluid from the ocular surface and transports it to the inferior meatus of the nose, facilitating the drainage of virus from ocular to respiratory tract tissues in a replication-independent manner, thus serving as a conduit for virus-containing fluid exchange between these sites (3, 26–28). When placed on the eye, fluid can be taken up by the conjunctiva, sclera, or cornea, but the majority of liquid is drained into the nasopharyngeal space or swallowed; absorption of tear fluid through the epithelial lining of the lacrimal duct is also possible (29).
...
SARS-associated coronavirus, first identified in 2003, is a viral pneumonia capable of rapid progression to severe disease and death (19, 169). The virus is transmitted primarily via direct or indirect contact with mucous membranes of the eyes, nose, or mouth (19). Eye or mucous membrane exposure to body fluids and a lack of wearing eye protection were both associated with an increased risk of SARS coronavirus transmission from infected patients to health care workers during the 2003 Toronto SARS outbreak (170), demonstrating the potential for virus transmission following exposure of unprotected eyes to this respiratory pathogen. ...

 

[Medstudies]

I’m glad you brought up this whole “air vent” business. I saw a video talking about one building where many people died during SARS and I wanted to see/confirm if spread was via the air vents. Also, this “aerosol plume of virus-laden diarrhea” also has me wondering about this as well, the “airborne”, as well as the “fecal” aspects, moo.



I especially expect an increase in Hong Kong cases, considering Ms. Lam left the border points open so long, JMO.

Yea once I saw “airborne” I had a whole new take on the cruise passengers.

I don’t really think they will all contract it, but I believe the potential is there for transmission via the vents.

it’s all dependent on the hvac system , exchange, filtration. Of which I am not even a novice.

 

[Tadpole12]

Twitter
“Within the next 24 hours the number of people killed by novel coronavirus in 6 weeks will exceed the number killed during the 9-month SARS outbreak. Pausing to mourn and commemorate the lives of those lost and re-dedicate to reducing future losses as effectively as possible.“

Thanks Medstudies.

I needed that pause,
Deep breath in,
and a moment
to mourn and commemorate.

 

[mickey2942]

Yea once I saw “airborne” I had a whole new take on the cruise passengers.

I don’t really think they will all contract it, but I believe the potential is there for transmission via the vents.

it’s all dependent on the hvac system , exchange, filtration. Of which I am not even a novice.

Believe me, that "Airplanes have the freshest air possible...blah, blah". Nope, you are locked in a metal tube, breathing in all of the contaminants around you. And planes don't make money sitting on the ground, the cleanliness of an aircraft, well...let's just say, it is an opportunity to improve your immunity.

Federal Resources for Planning | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Oh, goodie, the government has made plans. Looks like your rights can be quashed by a declaration of epidemic. Roll a steamroller over the constitution and back up over it again. All about public safety, of course.

 

[margarita25]

rsbm
Believe me, that "Airplanes have the freshest air possible...blah, blah". Nope, you are locked in a metal tube, breathing in all of the contaminants around you. And planes don't make money sitting on the ground, the cleanliness of an aircraft, well...let's just say, it is an opportunity to improve your immunity.

This reminds me of a CDC conference last week - iirc, in response to a reporter’s question about the effectiveness of isolation on the plane if an evacuee falls ill (paraphrasing), he said “Well, it IS an airplane” (meaning “a tube” like you said).

Looking for quote, posting some links as I try to find it since I have the CDC telebriefing pages open:

CDC / Wednesday, February 5, 2020 / Telebriefing:
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Monday, February 3, 2020:
Transcript for CDC Telebriefing: CDC Update on Novel Coronavirus | CDC Online Newsroom | CDC

CDC / January 29, 2020 Telebriefing
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Friday, January 17, 2020 Telebriefing
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

 

[KALI]

For years, economists have warned that China is a super power that can cause havock to world markets.
I was brought up to believe, the bigger they are...the harder they fall.
I think that we are seeing in real time, the fruition of this statement.
China depends heavily on it's exports. Their huge shipping industry is dead in the water. Few countries want Chinese imports right now, or in the near future due to fears that the virus can transmit on anything! Pork, computers, cell phones, you name it. Because nobody in the world knows how this virus can contaminate. Better safe then sorry in this instance.
China depends on tourism. What tourism is happening now? Really? Hey honey, tickets are cheap to China. Let's go and take a gamble as to wheter we'll be dragged out of room and sent to an internment camp! A memorable trip of a lifetime!
In my opinion, and apparently most world leaders, China is lying about the severity of this outbreak.
Big time. Back to the beginning of my post.
The bigger they are the harder they fall.
China will not be a threat to the world's economics for a very long time.
With that said. My heart breaks for the hardworking, good people of China who are caught up in this mess.
Truly, my heart breaks for these innocents.

 

[margarita25]

“Human coronaviruses most commonly spread from an infected person to others through:

• Respiratory droplets released into the air by coughing and sneezing;
• Close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands;
• Touching an object or surface with the virus on it, then touching your mouth, nose, or eyes before washing your hands; and
• Rarely, fecal contamination.”

WATCH LIVE: CDC talks about plane with quarantined Americans arriving at Lackland
Thursday, February 6th 2020

 

[gregjrichards]

For years, economists have warned that China is a super power that can cause havock to world markets.
I was brought up to believe, the bigger they are...the harder they fall.
I think that we are seeing in real time, the fruition of this statement.
China depends heavily on it's exports. Their huge shipping industry is dead in the water. Few countries want Chinese imports right now, or in the near future due to fears that the virus can transmit on anything! Pork, computers, cell phones, you name it. Because nobody in the world knows how this virus can contaminate. Better safe then sorry in this instance.
China depends on tourism. What tourism is happening now? Really? Hey honey, tickets are cheap to China. Let's go and take a gamble as to wheter we'll be dragged out of room and sent to an internment camp! A memorable trip of a lifetime!
In my opinion, and apparently most world leaders, China is lying about the severity of this outbreak.
Big time. Back to the beginning of my post.
The bigger they are the harder they fall.
China will not be a threat to the world's economics for a very long time.
With that said. My heart breaks for the hardworking, good people of China who are caught up in this mess.
Truly, my heart breaks for these innocents.

I agree with everything you have said. If there is indeed tens of thousands of people dead that have been cremated then the truth will come out no way will they be able to cover that up. The truth always comes out eventually.

 

[Medstudies]

Believe me, that "Airplanes have the freshest air possible...blah, blah". Nope, you are locked in a metal tube, breathing in all of the contaminants around you. And planes don't make money sitting on the ground, the cleanliness of an aircraft, well...let's just say, it is an opportunity to improve your immunity.

Federal Resources for Planning | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Oh, goodie, the government has made plans. Looks like your rights can be quashed by a declaration of epidemic. Roll a steamroller over the constitution and back up over it again. All about public safety, of course.

Right?! Until the time comes, when there are definitive answers and a clear understanding of the disease, I will be forgoing mass transportation. No planes, cruises or trains for me thx!

Gah!, I really hate this

 

[gitana1]

Eyes are a mucus membrane, same as nose and mouth, as a potential opening for virus to enter body.

This is a far more serious virus than AIDS, as there doesn't have to be any exchange of actual body fluids for a person to be infected. It seems to be airborne, like measles and chickenpox. And smallpox. I read that the virus was much larger than the chickenpox virus, so the droplets don't spread as far. But, who really knows?

Are the people infected also breaking out with a rash?

I don’t think that’s true. What I’ve read indicates the virus does quickly i the air or on surfaces. Like AIDS actually. However people have sex. A lot. So AIDS has been able to spread quickly.

AIDS is a plague.

 

[gregjrichards]

Right?! Until the time comes, when there are definitive answers and a clear understanding of the disease, I will be forgoing mass transportation. No planes, cruises or trains for me thx!

Gah!, I really hate this

No ordering on touch screens in McDonald’s either for me. I despise them you have no idea where people’s hands have been and then you have to eat your food with your hands - yuck!