Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV

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  • #301
I only wash my hands if I touch something gross or a chemical. I never routinely wash my hands. I do wash after using a public restroom, prior to cooking and during cooking. Other than that, I don’t even think about it. I am never sick, and I do mean never. At 49 I have never had the flu, had one UTI, never had strep, ear infection, anything. All of my siblings and children are the same. We all grew up being kinda grubby.

But you're still washing your hands at key moments where there's a higher risk of catching/spreading infection. So it's not just the total number of times you wash your hands, but doing it at the right times that could be what's working for you?
 
  • #302
ya, @Amonet.
I love the personal hand sanitizer mini that I have attached to my purse.
The grossest thing I come in contact with, on a weekly basis, is the grocery shopping cart handle.
add: also, at home, love the Lysol wipes.
 
  • #303
I find this VERY telling and worrisome. To me, there is only 1 reason they don't want us there. That would be, because we would find out the truth and we would notify the world.

The economic fallout to China would be incalcuable IMO.

U.S. health officials said that they have been offering for weeks to send experts to help China combat the coronavirus that has claimed at least 106 lives.

At press conference Tuesday, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. first offered to send experts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 6 but China has not yet accepted the offer. SNIP- Breibert China Has Not Accepted U.S. Offers to Send CDC Experts to Aid in Coronavirus Fight
 
  • #304
I only wash my hands if I touch something gross or a chemical. I never routinely wash my hands. I do wash after using a public restroom, prior to cooking and during cooking. Other than that, I don’t even think about it. I am never sick, and I do mean never. At 49 I have never had the flu, had one UTI, never had strep, ear infection, anything. All of my siblings and children are the same. We all grew up being kinda grubby.

I actually think that helps boost immunity , I regularly sit on the couch and make out with my 5 chihuahuas and I rarely get sick I'm a bit of a sanitizer and lysol nut though.
 
  • #305
I find this VERY telling and worrisome. To me, there is only 1 reason they don't want us there. That would be, because we would find out the truth and we would notify the world.

The economic fallout to China would be incalcuable IMO.

U.S. health officials said that they have been offering for weeks to send experts to help China combat the coronavirus that has claimed at least 106 lives.

At press conference Tuesday, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. first offered to send experts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 6 but China has not yet accepted the offer. SNIP- Breibert China Has Not Accepted U.S. Offers to Send CDC Experts to Aid in Coronavirus Fight
I agree , they don't want us there!
 
  • #306
Chinese New Yorkers Worried About The Coronavirus Are Wearing Masks. Do They Work?

Chinese New Yorkers Worried About The Coronavirus Are Wearing Masks. Do They Work?


"During a press conference on Tuesday, Alex Azar, the U.S. secretary of health and human services, dismissed the practice as 'unnecessary' given the level of danger thus far. To date, there have been only five confirmed cases in the United States. No cases have been identified in the state of New York, but 10 people have been tested."
 
  • #307
I find this VERY telling and worrisome. To me, there is only 1 reason they don't want us there. That would be, because we would find out the truth and we would notify the world.

The economic fallout to China would be incalcuable IMO.

U.S. health officials said that they have been offering for weeks to send experts to help China combat the coronavirus that has claimed at least 106 lives.

At press conference Tuesday, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said the U.S. first offered to send experts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 6 but China has not yet accepted the offer. SNIP- Breibert China Has Not Accepted U.S. Offers to Send CDC Experts to Aid in Coronavirus Fight

What kind of truth do you think they might want to hide?
 
  • #308
ya, @Amonet.
I love the personal hand sanitizer mini that I have attached to my purse.
The grossest thing I come in contact with, on a weekly basis, is the grocery shopping cart handle.
add: also, at home, love the Lysol wipes.

Great advice to bring your own basic supplies like hand sanitizer and having a small disposable bag of tissues in ones purse or on person.

Even before this Coronavirus news came out, I have always been careful when going into a public restroom. After hand washing it is very difficult to avoid touching things like the doorknob on the way out. I sometimes forgot to bring my own tissues to use to touch the doorknob on way out and resorted to using the bottom of my shirt to open the door. Just thinking about how many hundreds of people touched that same doorknob in a single day is enough to make me ill. :)

I started getting better at remembering to bring my own small supplies so that I can ensure I dont touch things after hand washing in a public restroom. The Mc D's that I recently stopped in did not even have paper towels but had those air dryers that blow out air. Was good for hand drying but without a tissue or paper towel handy, it made getting out the door hard unless you brought your own hand protection.

The sad thing too about any kind of transmittable sickness is our "standard" of greeting people by shaking hands is probably not the healthiest way to greet people. We may have to start to develop and accept other more healthy ways to greet each other as a society.

When you really start to think about it, its kind of scary how we normally dont even think twice when someone extends their hand for a handshake greeting. We just oblige and shake the person's hands.
 
  • #309
In addition to all the hand washing, remember not to touch your face. I have been taking notice of this and am surprised at how often I'm touching my face, rubbing my nose. eyes, wiping lips, etc. Keep hands away from face!

And get sleep, drink plenty of water every day....these things will help keep you in good shape in case you do get sick (with anything). imo

Be well! I've been following this news story since in the start, but just joined the WS thread today.

jmo
 
  • #310
I don't see how anyone can make any predictions. I honestly think that Ch8na is lying big time to the world. You don't quarantine over 50 million people unless something big is going on.
You also don't build 3 new large hospitals witin days working round the clock unless it's bad.
Watch what they do. Not what they say. They are proven liars.

The Deceptively Simple Number Sparking Coronavirus Fears
Here’s what the oft-cited R0 number tells us about the new outbreak—and what it doesn’t.

“When a new disease emerges, health organizations turn to a seemingly simple number to gauge whether the outbreak will spread. It’s called the basic reproduction number—R0, pronounced R-nought—and though useful for decision makers, it’s a nightmare for public communication. In brief, R0 is the average number of people who will catch the disease from a single infected person, in a population that’s never seen the disease before. If R0 is 3, then on average every case will create three new cases. But even though it seems incredibly straightforward, it’s hard to calculate and tricky to interpret.

R0 is important because if it’s greater than 1, the infection will probably keep spreading, and if it’s less than 1, the outbreak will likely peter out. So it offers vital information to organizations and nations as they consider how to respond to an outbreak—such as the one the world is currently experiencing.”

[...]

In the past week, at least six teams ofresearchers, along with the World Health Organization, have published estimates of R0 for the new coronavirus. All these groups used different methods, but their results have been mostly consistent, with estimates hovering between 2 and 3. WHO was a little more conservativethan the others, with estimates of 1.4 to 2.5. One Chinese team is a clear outlier, with estimates of 3.3 to 5.5. And a British-led group initially published a high average value of 3.8 last week before revising it downward to 2.5 as new data emerged.

In the intervening time, however, some observers seized upon the 3.8 number, with one Harvard doctor describing it as “thermonuclear pandemic level bad” in a tweet that has since been retweeted more than 16,000 times. That’s a dubious interpretation, and here are six reasons why.“

-more at link
 
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Closing schools and business is a huge sign that there are more than 4700 affected, imo.
 
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This is not msm so I can't link directly, but youtube channel Agenda Free TV is covering this case extensively. fyi
 
  • #315
I haven't latched on to that theory. Although it's not impossible. One thing, I am highly doubting is all this talk that it's basically like the flu?
The Chinese government's current response to this, tells me it's not like a flu.
What I really want to know is what is the real mortality rate.
I'm personally not worried about contacting this.
I sure do feel sorry for those 50 million people in China on lockdown though.
I also do not believe the Chinese government at all.
I'm hoping that our President doesn't either.
I don't think he does because he's now asking 20 airports to screen for infected passengers, when yesterday it was only 3 airp


Or that it originated in a lab rather than an open air market...?
 
  • #316
I haven't latched on to that theory. Although it's not impossible. One thing, I am highly doubting is all this talk that it's basically like the flu?
The Chinese government's current response to this, tells me it's not like a flu.
What I really want to know is what is the real mortality rate.
I'm personally not worried about contacting this.
I sure do feel sorry for those 50 million people in China on lockdown though.
I also do not believe the Chinese government at all.
I'm hoping that our President doesn't either.
I don't think he does because he's now asking 20 airports to screen for infected passengers, when yesterday it was only 3 airp
I don't think it was lab created. This isn't the first time a virus has jumped from an animal to human. Those virus are especially dangerous because humans don't have immunity, experience with the virus, from what I understand. This virus appears to have started with people handing animals at live-animal food market. That all rings true to me, not a conspiracy about the origin.

Having said that, I don't believe the numbers from China. They are much higher, is my guess.

jmo
 
  • #317
Ive been looking at the numbers from a variety of sources to see if we can tell if we are getting accurate figures and I think I found a way to tell within 2 weeks.

Math and statistics are not my strong point but here is what I was thinking about.

Beginning with some news sources that generally say this....

"Chinese health authorities confirmed Tuesday that the coronavirus outbreak had infected 4,515 people, with 106 reported deaths. It means the virus has killed just over 2% of those that have been infected."

Coronavirus vs. SARS: Health experts on the key differences between the two outbreaks

Here is what Im thinking would tell us something in 2 weeks time. JMO of course.

It gets confusing so I could be off with this thinking.

Was looking at the released numbers from a variety of news sources and if we go with an "R0 factor" of 2.5, it would mean for every person that catches it, it is likely to be passed on to 2.5 other people. The other thing that we have to take into consideration is not all die, so we have to take into account the mortality rate as well.

And, thirdly, if we take into consideration the 2 week incubation period and we already have around 100 known deaths right now. That means these 100 people were infected at least 2 weeks ago. Which further means that we can expect an almost double number of people being infected but only 2% of that additional number should die. So if the number of deaths in the next 2 weeks lets say increases to 300 or so, then something is off with what we are being told.

The number of deaths should only go up by 2% of the expected double increase of cases based on the R0 factor. We have around 4500 cases and so lets say in 2 weeks it is claimed as 9000, then 2% of the additional 4500 =
(0.02 X 4500) = 90 new deaths expected in about 2 weeks.

If we see more than that, then that means something is off with what we are hearing like either the "R0 factor of 2.5" is off, or the mortality rate is off, or we are not getting accurate information or some combination of these.
 
  • #318
As of now, 6,061 cases. 132 dead.

Ive been looking at the numbers from a variety of sources to see if we can tell if we are getting accurate figures and I think I found a way to tell within 2 weeks.

Math and statistics are not my strong point but here is what I was thinking about.

Beginning with some news sources that generally say this....

"Chinese health authorities confirmed Tuesday that the coronavirus outbreak had infected 4,515 people, with 106 reported deaths. It means the virus has killed just over 2% of those that have been infected."

Coronavirus vs. SARS: Health experts on the key differences between the two outbreaks

Here is what Im thinking would tell us something in 2 weeks time. JMO of course.

It gets confusing so I could be off with this thinking.

Was looking at the released numbers from a variety of news sources and if we go with an "R0 factor" of 2.5, it would mean for every person that catches it, it is likely to be passed on to 2.5 other people. The other thing that we have to take into consideration is not all die, so we have to take into account the mortality rate as well.

And, thirdly, if we take into consideration the 2 week incubation period and we already have around 100 known deaths right now. That means these 100 people were infected at least 2 weeks ago. Which further means that we can expect an almost double number of people being infected but only 2% of that additional number should die. So if the number of deaths in the next 2 weeks lets say increases to 300 or so, then something is off with what we are being told.

The number of deaths should only go up by 2% of the expected double increase of cases based on the R0 factor. We have around 4500 cases and so lets say in 2 weeks it is claimed as 9000, then 2% of the additional 4500 =
(0.02 X 4500) = 90 new deaths expected in about 2 weeks.

If we see more than that, then that means something is off with what we are hearing like either the "R0 factor of 2.5" is off, or the mortality rate is off, or we are not getting accurate information or some combination of these.
 
  • #319
Okay. True story. Here's what we're dealing with.
Alameda County (CA) 4 days ago was testing two persons for the virus. A relative's grand-daughter lives there, and, yes, it is a very, very populated ares. But, she goes to school with many Chinese students.

So, my relative had plans to pick her up and take her to Nevada for a week. The grand-daughter had no symptoms, but.... but... but...

Things will probably be fine, but this just shows how easily a virus can spread.
 
  • #320
Starbucks Closes More Than 2,000 Stores In China Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
January 28, 20207:28 PM ET
''Starbucks executives on Tuesday called the viral outbreak a "very complex situation," adding that the company closed its locations in China at the direction of local government officials as well as "proactively," to limit the spread of the virus among workers and customers.''

''China is a key, fast-growing market for Starbucks and many other companies that are starting to see an impact from the outbreak and the measures that Chinese authorities have imposed in response, including a lockdown of multiple cities with tens of millions of residents.

Other chains such as McDonald's and KFC have also been closing stores. McDonald's is expected to share an update on Wednesday when it reports its quarterly earnings. Apple CEO Tim Cook said on Tuesday that his company has closed one of its retail stores.

"Many of the stores that remain open have also reduced operating hours," Cook said. "We're taking additional precautions and frequently deep-cleaning our stores as well as conducting temperature checks for employees."
 
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