Coronavirus Global Health Emergency, 2019-nCoV

[dotr]

Hope I can help out a little from my biochem degree. I learned years ago that the scientific field is quite a bit different from other fields that are competitive for discoveries. Typically in the scientific community, all of even the smallest discoveries are shared among most countries in a quick fashion in major scientific journals. So science is very open to sharing everything learned so our world is helped for major discoveries. It really is amazing how they work together. Ebola kills quickly, so the virus dies with the host and tampers the spread of such a deadly pathogen. Been around for years and known. But due to modern day air travel, can spread far. Doctors, scientists and techs volunteer to work with these known deadly pathogens. They are our heroes. They leave their families and friends and countries to join efforts to shut down epidemics in countries where the culture may not understand, may get angry with them or not even have basic meds or supplies to help. Their willingness to fight a fight for everyone at such grave consequences is a true calling. They are heroes. Truly. We are lucky if we live in cultures with advanced meds and information at our fingertips. A jump from species to species is not believed to be common. But rabies has been around for years.. Our world is amazing. Species generally stick together. A robin hangs with another robin while a cardinal only goes with another cardinal if you get my drift. But something happens, like the bird flu or the swine flu, and even though this one sounds ominous and may be....trust in your brave scientists that I know are doing the fastest and best work to figure this out and doing it together. The brightest minds move ahead of the pack. Our world, with all its difficulties that we see daily, has unsung heroes in research labs all over the world that conference and meet. Good people at their best. And it does sound that labs are in full gear working on this.

Awesome post Wild Rose, thanks for the insight and the reminder!

 

[Wild Rose]

Thanks dotr. Sorry it was long. It is amazing to me that we will probably never know these heroes names, just a nurse holding a hand, putting his or her own fears tucked away in some sacred place and showing us the best of humanity which likely may never be seen.

 

[KALI]

Saying this now. THIS will end up being huge. Much bigger and widespread then we can imagine.
For our friends in the east.
I pray that I am wrong.
But, I'm no dummy. I predict this situation to become a huge problem.
Very much so.
I am thankful that America has strong leadership. We're going to need decisive and quick preventative actions.

 

[Amonet]

Breaking news on the BBC is that British Airways (BA) has suspended flights to and from China.

BA suspends flights to and from mainland China

 

[gregjrichards]

Breaking news on the BBC is that British Airways (BA) has suspended flights to and from China.

BA suspends flights to and from mainland China

Wow just saw this on Good Morning Britain it’s incredible and just shows the magnitude of the situation. Hopefully other airlines in other countries will follow suit so airline staff and passengers are not put at risk.

 

[margarita25]

Where Wuhan coronavirus has been confirmed worldwide - CNN

(Thanks @dotr for the ArcGIS map :wave: )

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Swiss pharmaceutical giant warns finding a coronavirus vaccine will take 'over a year'

• China’s National Health Commission confirmed Wednesday that the coronavirus had infected 5,974 people, with 132 deaths and 103 cured.
• The virus, which was first discovered in the Chinese city of Wuhan, has spread to other major cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Macao and Hong Kong.

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““The reality is, it will take over a year in my expectation to really find a new vaccine for this so, we need to really use epidemiological controls to really get this situation in a better place,” Vas Narasimhan, CEO of Novartis, told CNBC’s Julianna Tatelbaumin Basel, Switzerland on Wednesday.”

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Coronavirus cases in China overtake SARS — and the economic impact could be 'more severe'

• The number of new coronavirus cases has topped 5,000 in China in just about a month, data Tuesday showed, while it took more than 6 months for the number of SARS cases in the country to reach that figure.

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Wuhan coronavirus: China cases overtake SARS, as virus spreads worldwide - CNN

“Hong Kong (CNN) The number of confirmed cases of the Wuhan coronavirus has overtaken the 2003 SARS outbreak inside of mainland China, as multiple countries evacuated their citizens from the city at the heart of the outbreak.

As of Wednesday, there were 5,974 confirmed cases of the virus in mainland China, including 132 deaths, according to China's National Health Commission (NHC). The number of cases grew by almost 1,500 from Tuesday, a more than 30% increase. The figures do not include Hong Kong and Macau, both of which have reported a small number of cases.
There have been more than 80 cases of the virus reported outside mainland China, bringing the worldwide total to over 6,000.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The American entourage of 240 Americans from Wuhan landed 4 hours ago in Alaska and scheduled to be headed to Air Reserve base in California. (Not San Fran or Orange County as previously reported in MSM) It's a big jet. The 747-400 can carry 416 passengers in a typical three-class layout, 524 passengers in a typical two-class layout, or 660 passengers in a high–density one-class configuration. My guess is the plane is not a normal layout, due to being more of a "cargo" type plane.

The airline, Kalitta Air is based out of Michigan. The airline provides domestic and international scheduled or on-demand cargo service and support for the requirements of the Department of Defense Air Mobility Command

Coronavirus Live Updates: U.S. Evacuates Citizens from Hot Zone, and Death Toll Mounts

Kalitta Air (K4) #371 ✈ 29-Jan-2020 ✈ WUH / ZHHH - PANC ✈ FlightAware is tracking from Wuhan to AK

Kalitta Air (K4) #371 ✈ FlightAware and is expected to depart in 7 minutes to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, California

March Air Force Base (March AFB) is located in Riverside County, California between the cities of Riverside, Moreno Valley, and Perris. It is the home to the Air Force Reserve Command's Fourth Air Force (4 AF) Headquarters and the host 452d Air Mobility Wing (452 AMW), the largest air mobility wing of the Fourth Air Force.[3] In addition to multiple units of the Air Force Reserve Command supporting Air Mobility Command, Air Combat Command and Pacific Air Forces, March ARB is also home to units from the Army Reserve, Navy Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve, California Air National Guard and the California Army National Guard. March Air Reserve Base - Wikipedia

ETA: It appears they have just lifted off from Anchorage at 6:10 am eastern time, with a flight time of 4 hours and 30 minutes.

 

[margarita25]

Coronavirus outbreak: Some Americans evacuated from Wuhan as death toll rises

“A plane chartered by the U.S. government to evacuate as many as 240 Americans from the Chinese city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak landed overnight in Anchorage, Alaska to refuel before heading for Southern California. It's carrying diplomats from the U.S. Consulate in Wuhan and other U.S. citizens. Before the flight left China there were more than 1,000 Americans stuck in Wuhan.

Other countries have also begun evacuating citizens from China on chartered flights.”

[...]

“More than 100 people in the U.S. were being tested for the disease across 26 states on Tuesday.”

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So what happens when they get to Southern Cal? Will they be quarantined or anything? I’m wondering about all the people (of various origins) being evacuated - considering they can be symptomless, how do they know all these people won’t bring the virus back with them?

FTR, I’m just asking- I’m not saying anyone deserves to be stranded there, nor am I stating an opinion on the matter, that we shouldn’t help our fellow citizens. I think this is a fair question considering the circumstances and I’m sure I’m not the only person wondering about this.

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ETA: Here is the process:

Americans evacuated from China undergo screening in Alaska before quarantine.

“A chartered plane carrying more than 200 Americans from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China, landed in Anchorage shortly after 9:20 p.m. local time on Tuesday, according to flight tracking services.

The 240 passengers, including diplomats and businesspeople, were to undergo medical screening at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport, the local authorities said. The plane was also to be refueled before flying to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, Calif., its final destination.

Jim Szczesniak, the airport manager, said that the aircraft would be “handled in a remote location” and that medical staff from the United States Centers for Disease Control would check patients in an isolated area. Passengers would remain in a terminal that is not currently being used by commercial carriers or accessible to the public.

“The passengers will be screened and go through the immigration process,” Mr. Szczesniak said. “They will reboard their flight and head to their final destination.”

However, any passengers found to have a cough, fever or shortness of breath in Anchorage will be further assessed by medical experts, according to a statement released by Alaska’s Department of Health and Social Services. If the medical team determines that special care is necessary, it will refer those passengers to a nearby hospital.”

Coronavirus Live Updates: U.S. Evacuates Citizens from Hot Zone, and Death Toll Mounts

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Ok, I’m not going to lie, this concerns me a little bit. Again, I’m not saying anyone deserves to be stuck anywhere.

So, to understand clearly, one can receive a valid result via this screening process even if they are symptomless or in an incubation period??

Idk, I’d like to see more about this.

Or not.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Coronavirus outbreak: Some Americans evacuated from Wuhan as death toll rises

“A plane chartered by the U.S. government to evacuate as many as 240 Americans from the Chinese city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak landed overnight in Anchorage, Alaska to refuel before heading for Southern California. It's carrying diplomats from the U.S. Consulate in Wuhan and other U.S. citizens. Before the flight left China there were more than 1,000 Americans stuck in Wuhan.

Other countries have also begun evacuating citizens from China on chartered flights.”

[...]

“More than 100 people in the U.S. were being tested for the disease across 26 states on Tuesday.”

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So what happens when they get to Southern Cal? Will they be quarantined or anything? I’m wondering about all the people (of various origins) being evacuated - considering they can be symptomless, how do they know all these people won’t bring the virus back with them?

FTR, I’m just asking- I’m not saying anyone deserves to be stranded there, nor am I stating an opinion on the matter, that we shouldn’t help our fellow citizens. I think this is a fair question considering the circumstances and I’m sure I’m not the only person wondering about this.

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ETA: Here is the process:

Americans evacuated from China undergo screening in Alaska before quarantine.

“A chartered plane carrying more than 200 Americans from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China, landed in Anchorage shortly after 9:20 p.m. local time on Tuesday, according to flight tracking services.

The 240 passengers, including diplomats and businesspeople, were to undergo medical screening at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport, the local authorities said. The plane was also to be refueled before flying to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, Calif., its final destination.

Jim Szczesniak, the airport manager, said that the aircraft would be “handled in a remote location” and that medical staff from the United States Centers for Disease Control would check patients in an isolated area. Passengers would remain in a terminal that is not currently being used by commercial carriers or accessible to the public.

“The passengers will be screened and go through the immigration process,” Mr. Szczesniak said. “They will reboard their flight and head to their final destination.”

However, any passengers found to have a cough, fever or shortness of breath in Anchorage will be further assessed by medical experts, according to a statement released by Alaska’s Department of Health and Social Services. If the medical team determines that special care is necessary, it will refer those passengers to a nearby hospital.”

Coronavirus Live Updates: U.S. Evacuates Citizens from Hot Zone, and Death Toll Mounts

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Ok, I’m not going to lie, this concerns me a little bit. Again, I’m not saying anyone deserves to be stuck anywhere.

So, to understand clearly, one can receive a valid result via this screening process even if they are symptomless or in an incubation period??

Idk, I’d like to see more about this.

Or not.

I too would like to know the answer. That they moved the first place of San Fran landing, to then saying Orange County airport, and now moved to the Air Force Base.... hmmm. MOO a smart move.

An air force base would logically be an ideal quarantine area, shielded from media etc. MOO I do hope media answers our question on such.

ETA: to answer your question, I've not seen anything as to how soon before symptoms occur that you might have positive test results (4 hour test at CDC only last I heard). The airport screenings are merely based upon fever and symptoms. But once at the AFB, I would think they might do testing before release if they don't quarantine 14 days? Who knows? I wanna know but have never seen on the CDC pages or in MSM the answer to when you can get positive results before symptoms.

 

[margarita25]

Britons on Wuhan flights to be quarantined

Hundreds of British citizens being flown back to the UK from Wuhan on Thursday will be put in quarantine for two weeks.

@dixiegirl1035
So, it appears UK is quarantining, but US is not.

Hmmm.

I don’t know about this, moo. I mean surely our US officials/agencies know better than I do, but...

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So UK seems to think this is a valuable measure. Why doesn’t the US?

People have to quarantine their dogs for a month if they want to bring them to Hawaii.

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I wonder which other nations are choosing to quarantine and to not quarantine. I mean obviously they’ll quarantine those that show positive or potentially positive at screening, but once again, what if they’re in incubation or symptomless, will they test positive??

I’m worried now. Surely they got this under control...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Britons on Wuhan flights to be quarantined

Hundreds of British citizens being flown back to the UK from Wuhan on Thursday will be put in quarantine for two weeks.

@dixiegirl1035
So, it appears UK is quarantining, but US is not.

Hmmm.

I don’t know about this, moo. I mean surely our US officials/agencies know better than I do, but...

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So UK seems to think this is a valuable measure. Why doesn’t the US?

People have to quarantine their dogs for a month if they want to bring them to Hawaii.

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I wonder which other nations are choosing to quarantine and to not quarantine. I mean obviously they’ll quarantine those that show positive at screening, but once again, what if they’re in incubation or symptomless, will they test positive??

I think we may have cross posted and I did an ETA. Due to the fact that the flight just 1-3 days ago stated San Fran, then Orange County and "surprise" within the last 12 hours that it was going to an Air Force base leads me to believe that the information changed amongst the health field folks and powers that be are indeed going to quarantine now. As stated previously, an Air Force base would be perfect for quarantine and evaluation for medical care MOO. For how long or what conditions for release, who knows at this time. And this was the reason to land them at the end at an air force base. MOO

 

[margarita25]

Australia is going to quarantine.

Coronavirus: Australia plans island quarantine as foreigners leave Wuhan

Australia plans to quarantine its evacuees on Christmas island 2,000km (1,200 miles) from the mainland.
Island quarantine plan as foreigners leave China

Wth. So now UK AND Australia are quarantining, but US isn’t.

Ok I said I wasn’t going to state an opinion but now I am.

Australia and UK obviously see the need to do this.

I don’t like this one bit. MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

Doug Kalitta - Wikipedia

In case anyone was wondering about the Kalitta Airlines owner.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Australia is going to quarantine.

Coronavirus: Australia plans island quarantine as foreigners leave Wuhan

Australia plans to quarantine its evacuees on Christmas island 2,000km (1,200 miles) from the mainland.
Island quarantine plan as foreigners leave China

Wth. So now UK AND Australia are quarantining, but US isn’t.

I just don't think that MSM knows yet the information as plans changed so recently. I think the US will indeed quarantine. Whether they had to sign that to get on plane to agree to quarantine, dunno.

 

[margarita25]

I just don't think that MSM knows yet the information as plans changed so recently. I think the US will indeed quarantine. Whether they had to sign that to get on plane to agree to quarantine, dunno.

I dunno, friend. I hope you’re right.

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Great:

How many cases are there?
An expert from the Chinese National Health Commission (NHC) said it could take 10 more days for the outbreak to peak.

Island quarantine plan as foreigners leave China

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I'm assuming (hoping) mortality rates won't be "high" (any death is tragic, but YKWIM) because I assume the numbers coming out of China don't count large numbers of people who show milder symptoms, stay home, recover, and don't even get tested.

 

[margarita25]

I just don't think that MSM knows yet the information as plans changed so recently. I think the US will indeed quarantine. Whether they had to sign that to get on plane to agree to quarantine, dunno.

This is starting to feel like a bad episode of “Manifest”.

 

[Taskforce88]

The UK government plans to fly 200 British citizens out from Wuhan, the centre of the new coronavirus outbreak, on Thursday.

BBC health editor Hugh Pym said that Health Secretary Matt Hancock has instructed officials to put them in quarantine for two weeks - possibly at a UK military facility.

Britons on Wuhan flights to be quarantined

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Doug Kalitta - Wikipedia

In case anyone was wondering about the Kalitta Airlines owner.

Kalitta Charters is what he owns, Not to be confused with sister company, Kalitta Air.

Kalitta Charters - Wikipedia

Kalitta Charters is an American charter airline based in Ypsilanti, Michigan, USA. Its main base is Willow Run Airport.[2] The company is owned and run by Doug Kalitta, nephew of Kalitta Air founder Connie Kalitta. Kalitta Charters is now the sole company that has a contract with the US government to fly the remains of service members to their final resting places. Kalitta Charters offers Executive Charter, Air Ambulance & Air Cargo services as well as a FAR Part 145 aircraft repair station at their operating facility in Ypsilanti, Michigan.

Kalitta Charters doesn't have a 747-400 in their fleet, but Kalitta Air does.

Kalitta Air - Wikipedia

The airline (Kalitta Air) provides domestic and international scheduled or on-demand cargo service and support for the requirements of the Department of Defense Air Mobility Command

Kalitta Air fleet
Aircraft Total Orders Notes
Boeing 747-400 2 — Former Korean Air fleet
Boeing 747-400BCF 10 — 4 operating for DHL Aviation
Boeing 747-400ERF 1 — Bought by Load Air (defunct), obtained by Kalitta Air
Boeing 747-400F 13 — Former Cargolux, Korean Air Cargo, Nippon Cargo Airlines fleets
Boeing 767-300ER 1 — Former TUIfly Nordic airlines fleet
Boeing 767-300ER/BDSF 8 — Former Gulf Air, Transaero, Business Air fleets
Boeing 777F 1 — Former Emirates SkyCargo
Total 36 —

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I dunno, friend. I hope you’re right.

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Great:

How many cases are there?
An expert from the Chinese National Health Commission (NHC) said it could take 10 more days for the outbreak to peak.

Island quarantine plan as foreigners leave China

From your link above

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Also on Wednesday, 240 Americans - including workers the local US consulate - left the city.

According to CNN, the evacuees might have to stay in isolation in an airport hangar for up to two weeks."

I don't agree with CNN that they would stay in an airport hangar though lol. I would think since it is a reserve base, that they would have dormitories/barracks for them if indeed they stay for a bit.