Could it be her brother?

[Tadpole12]

Here is a video with Laura Richards where she states the intruder theory was BS or as I might say b*****ks. Of course The Case Of JonBenet Ramsey concluded that Burke was the offender and they presented quite a lot of evidence to back this theory up:

"For me the reinvestigation was all about giving JonBenet a voice because I feel very strongly that victims shouldn't become footnotes in their own murders.
The victim's voice is never really heard, unless you have an advocate. Somebody who's prepared to stand up. To be bold. To be courageous, on that person's behalf.
... And again, it just seems staggering, the facts and the evidence, the amount of available evidence but yet, the, I'll call it the BS of the last twenty years, 'cause it's coming up to the anniversary, that has stolen the narrative. And I felt that it was very important to give her a voice, when other voices have been heard." - LR

 

[Sophie-Renee]

Sophie-Renee,
Unless someone like Randall DeWitt Simons has crime-scene evidence in the form of photographs, then the intruder theory is dead in the water, it lacks forensic evidence. There is zero forensic evidence linking to anyone outside the Ramsey house.

In the early years of the case the intruder theory was assumed wisdom, over the years most of the evidence has been parsed showing there was no Foreign Faction, i.e. no multiple dna samples at the crime-scene, and that the killer needed inside knowledge, e.g. where the size-12's were kept, where Burke's longjohns were, etc. Not to forget that there was a wine-cellar in the basement.

So the case is now viewed through the prism of some Ramsey Did It.

While I am not exactly an advocate of the IDI theory- I am just considering all the oddities. Because to be fair to the Ramseys, there may be no forensic evidence for an intruder- but neither was there forensic evidence implicating the Ramseys. They did not find that any of their DNA matches any of the dna in question. That said, this again could be because nobody's dna will be matched if what is being considered is a mixed dna profile. I think the whole Helgoth and Oliva thing is complete tosh because of reasons I won't get into here but IF there was an intruder the things I have mentioned seem actually more likely and the people at the party and that neighbour are not exactly the most common names to occur when looking at intruder theory- it has been based on the 2 mentioned above, that the Ramsey's as far as we know had no connection to and not the kind of people who would have been living in their neighbourhood or in their social circle.

I would agree with the foreign faction part. I think that is ridiculous. IF someone took her, and yes it is a big IF they were trying to lead investigators down the wrong path by making it sound political and like they were some sort of terrorist group. Why would you target the Ramseys? They may have had money, but why not a political figure? I do think however that some behaviour was very strange, and if the Ramseys did it, I am not 100 per cent sure there weren't more people involved. The neighbour theory is a possibility is all- but I do think whoever did this to JonBenet, it escalated from that party and there was perhaps more than just a for example- Burke got into a fight with his sister killed her with a blow to the head- there was a build up . Another thought that occurred to me was what if Fleet had threatened to call the police when he saw Burke perhaps hurt JonBenet in order to scare him? Maybe he witnessed something and the Ramseys begged him to put the phone down and just let it go? Maybe we will never know.

 

[Tadpole12]

While I am not exactly an advocate of the IDI theory- I am just considering all the oddities. Because to be fair to the Ramseys, there may be no forensic evidence for an intruder- but neither was there forensic evidence implicating the Ramseys. They did not find that any of their DNA matches any of the dna in question. That said, this again could be because nobody's dna will be matched if what is being considered is a mixed dna profile. I think the whole Helgoth and Oliva thing is complete tosh because of reasons I won't get into here but IF there was an intruder the things I have mentioned seem actually more likely and the people at the party and that neighbour are not exactly the most common names to occur when looking at intruder theory- it has been based on the 2 mentioned above, that the Ramsey's as far as we know had no connection to and not the kind of people who would have been living in their neighbourhood or in their social circle.

I would agree with the foreign faction part. I think that is ridiculous. IF someone took her, and yes it is a big IF they were trying to lead investigators down the wrong path by making it sound political and like they were some sort of terrorist group. Why would you target the Ramseys? They may have had money, but why not a political figure? I do think however that some behaviour was very strange, and if the Ramseys did it, I am not 100 per cent sure there weren't more people involved. The neighbour theory is a possibility is all- but I do think whoever did this to JonBenet, it escalated from that party and there was perhaps more than just a for example- Burke got into a fight with his sister killed her with a blow to the head- there was a build up . Another thought that occurred to me was what if Fleet had threatened to call the police when he saw Burke perhaps hurt JonBenet in order to scare him? Maybe he witnessed something and the Ramseys begged him to put the phone down and just let it go? Maybe we will never know.

Heyya SR
Welcome to the forum.


"That said, this again could be because nobody's dna will be matched if what is being considered is a mixed dna profile." - SR

I wonder about that.
Theoretically, could there not be an erroneous match for the 13 CODIS markers?
Could a statistical geneticist isolate/group certain markers, say x of 13, which would create a partial profile, comparable to a Ramsey profile?

 

[jaejae]

"For me the reinvestigation was all about giving JonBenet a voice because I feel very strongly that victims shouldn't become footnotes in their own murders.
The victim's voice is never really heard, unless you have an advocate. Somebody who's prepared to stand up. To be bold. To be courageous, on that person's behalf.
... And again, it just seems staggering, the facts and the evidence, the amount of available evidence but yet, the, I'll call it the BS of the last twenty years, 'cause it's coming up to the anniversary, that has stolen the narrative. And I felt that it was very important to give her a voice, when other voices have been heard." - LR

There is a little more information about the JonBenet Ramsey case in this video. Other cases like the Colonial Parkway Murders case get a mention and hopefully the LE working this case will get some answers soon:

 

[kay74]

kay74,
Sure, does he have any illegal photographs of JonBenet, what does JR think of that?

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I hope this guy is investigated.

 

[UKGuy]

I hope this guy is investigated.

kay74,
You bet! With the JonBenet link nobody will want to have to apologise if they get it wrong, also the media are watching.

If he has any photographs of JonBenet hidden away and they are recovered by forensic analysis, e.g. this includes any images he has deleted and thinks are gone, and this gets into the public domain, the Tabs will love it, as JonBenet headlines sells copy fast.


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[owsley]

I think that when John dies, Burke will make a definitive statement and we will learn the latter's account of happened that Christmas night in 1996.

Burke will not incriminate himself as he is not guilty of murdering his sister.

John turns 76 this December. We may not have too long to wait.

 

[jaejae]

In the Case Of JonBenet Ramsey they seemed pretty certain Burke killed his sister:

Dr. Werner Spitz Concludes: Brother Killed JonBenet Ramsey

Here is part of the above article:

“If you really, really use your free time to think about this case, you cannot come to a different conclusion,” Spitz told CBS Detroit. “It’s the boy who did it, whether he was jealous, or mentally unfit or something … I don’t know the why, I’m not a psychiatrist, but what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here. And the parents changed the scene to make it look like something it wasn’t."

 

[jaejae]

Here is James Fitzgerald analysing Burke Ramsey' s body language:

 

[fallingup13]

In the Case Of JonBenet Ramsey they seemed pretty certain Burke killed his sister:

Dr. Werner Spitz Concludes: Brother Killed JonBenet Ramsey

Here is part of the above article:

“If you really, really use your free time to think about this case, you cannot come to a different conclusion,” Spitz told CBS Detroit. “It’s the boy who did it, whether he was jealous, or mentally unfit or something … I don’t know the why, I’m not a psychiatrist, but what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here. And the parents changed the scene to make it look like something it wasn’t."

I’ve always had a feeling that her brother killed her and that the parents new this and were protecting him.

 

[owsley]

I think John's playing the long con and Burke's the sacrificial payoff for the former's ghastly crime.

 

[kay74]

There was UNKOWN DNA on JB. You people forget that! John, Patsy and Burke did not kill this little girl. If the LE had done their job right the suspect would have been found! One of their neighbors committed suicide shortly after. Could have been the suspect!! Who leaves 4 of their doors ulocked to their home and a broken window in the basement in a busy university area with homeless people no less! Patsy was naïve and trusting. She should have LOCKED UP! These people have suffered enough over their daughter's death. They are being punished for being punished.

 

[owsley]

They are being punished for being punished.

Could you explain this.

 

[UKGuy]

There was UNKOWN DNA on JB. You people forget that! John, Patsy and Burke did not kill this little girl. If the LE had done their job right the suspect would have been found! One of their neighbors committed suicide shortly after. Could have been the suspect!! Who leaves 4 of their doors ulocked to their home and a broken window in the basement in a busy university area with homeless people no less! Patsy was naïve and trusting. She should have LOCKED UP! These people have suffered enough over their daughter's death. They are being punished for being punished.

kay74,
So explain to everyone how you get from unidentified forensic evidence to Ransey innocence?

Do you reckon an Intruder murdered JonBenet and redressed her in the size-12's on the way out the door?

The broken window and open doors might be staging, e.g. offering an Intruder access narrative?

Why would the Intruder bother waisting time on a ransom note that was never intended to be cashed in?

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[Nerissa]

I came to the conclusion IMO that BDI years ago....& then Kolar's book came out, a man who was an investigator, who has seen all the evidence, who knows things we don't know - & that was his conclusion too. Seals the deal for me!

I doubt that it was deliberate on BR's part, but I do believe there was ongoing abuse of JBR perpetrated by him. He had anger issues. He lashed out that night. Still not sure what all was staged by PR & JR. But as far as murdering her: that was BR

Children are capable of incredible & horrific violence. In no way do I think 'a kid couldn't do this'. Yes they can!!

JMO

 

[UKGuy]

I came to the conclusion IMO that BDI years ago....& then Kolar's book came out, a man who was an investigator, who has seen all the evidence, who knows things we don't know - & that was his conclusion too. Seals the deal for me!

I doubt that it was deliberate on BR's part, but I do believe there was ongoing abuse of JBR perpetrated by him. He had anger issues. He lashed out that night. Still not sure what all was staged by PR & JR. But as far as murdering her: that was BR

Children are capable of incredible & horrific violence. In no way do I think 'a kid couldn't do this'. Yes they can!!

JMO

Nerissa,
If Alex Hunter had filed the Grand Juries deliberations and the case had gone to court, who do you think would have been blamed for killing JonBenet?

i.e. who pulled the trigger, and why did it have to be done when medical assistance was just a phone call away?

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[Nerissa]

Nerissa,
If Alex Hunter had filed the Grand Juries deliberations and the case had gone to court, who do you think would have been blamed for killing JonBenet?

i.e. who pulled the trigger, and why did it have to be done when medical assistance was just a phone call away?

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True. If I understand PR & JR were held culpable - but, strictly speaking: they did not kill JBR. I think BR hit her over the head in a rage...I actually think it's possible when she was comatose he then did things...then went back to his train set & later simply left her there in the basement. JMO

It's speculated that PR & JR thought she was dead when she wasn't - we do not know that. They are culpable as the parents of a child who they knew was having severe developmental issues that were directed toward his sister & they didn't do what they could have, of course:they also covered up his crime

BTW: I commend you for being here so long. You were one of the regular posters way back when, as I was first posting (different name, cannot even recall) - also, recently I noticed DeeDee (there's more than one) popped up again too. You guys have patience for when, inevitably, folks pop on with the usual assumptions & rhetoric (no offense to them, they simply don't understand the facts of the case yet)....

As for BR sometime piping up: well...not sure I'd believe what would come out of his mouth. To be honest: I don't think he remembers much. Whatever he did to JBR, was just 'shrug' to him at the time: I don't think he understood he'd killed her or frankly cared one way or another, and he didn't understand the gravity of other issues: sexual abuse for instance. I think he's also been brain washed pretty successfully since then.

There may never be total closure in this case. IF the Grand Jury had panned out: maybe....otherwise: well....I think it will remain officially unsolved

As for me though, IMO, it's BR, & I don't have much doubt about it

 

[Swirlz]

The law enforcement officials who investigated the case that was presented to the grand jury believed the homicide was committed by a parent.

If John and Patsy Ramsey had been put on trial for placing their daughter in a situation that resulted in her death, there is no reason to believe that the assumption wouldn't have been that a parent was responsible for having caused it.

 

[Beltonian]

double post

 

[Beltonian]

I totally believe that 9 yo Burke could do that or he could also molest his sister. But did he really? The fact that his parents did not keep him locked up in fear he could hurt or kill somebody else in anger or he could even kill them, says to me a lot. Never showed any sign of rejection towards him ( assuming he killed their precious daughter ) . Why they did not do that? Because they were not afraid or ashamed of him. Patsy and John continued to be loving , not resentful parents to him and he went to regular schools.

 

[Gypsy Violin]

Exactly, although the parents had to be involved with it. He might have been able to kill and sexually abuse her but not discreetly. Her parents say that they were in the house when she was killed. They must have contributed.

I just don't agree with that at all. I think that the parents would have reacted and turned their son over to the police knowing what he had done to his baby sister and could have done the same to another person. I understand that they would think about what he did to his little sister... And I would hope they would have made the correct discussion and turn him over to the authorities.